Hershel Walker looks insanely jacked for someone near 50.

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BeeBoop

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its hard to put lots of faith in any dietary medical scince that's more than 10 years old. if not more than 5

remember, butter and eggs will kill you, and margarine will save us all.

all cholesterol was the same, and so was all fat, also alcohol is really bad for you no matter what.

I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket and saying that one size fits all. If you listen to Hershel, he specifically says that his diet doesn't work for everyone and some people do better eating differently. I only bring up the 60 grams RDA as an example that there is a good possibility that Hershel is not making up stories.
 

purbeast0

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Here's a better link and I'm sure you've head of Lyle Mcdonald. If you read the whole thing, Lyle recommends more but I am referring to mainstream nutritionist, what both medical doctors, pharmacists, and the like are taught as I've said so earlier.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mu...irements-for-strength-and-power-athletes.html

In the first camp are mainstream nutrition types, usually registered dieticians who maintain that the RDA for protein is sufficient for all conditions, including individuals involved heavily in sports. Their bible, the RDA Handbook mirrors this stance. So what is the RDA? Currently it’s set at 0.8 g/kg (0.36 g/lb) protein per day. For a 200 lb individual that’s a mere 72 grams of protein per day. I bet most of the people reading this eat that at a meal.

even that link you posted there doesn't say that someone looking to pack on muscle should only eat 72g protein a day.
 

BeeBoop

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even that link you posted there doesn't say that someone looking to pack on muscle should only eat 72g protein a day.

What are you talking about? I've already said that Lyle believes you need to eat more, the writer of that article. The article is about the debate between how much protein you need to eat and there is a group of people, mainstream nutritionists that believe 60 grams is enough. Mainstream as in doctors and pharmacists. Again, I bring this up as a defense for the Hershel Diet. I'm not saying everyone in the entire world must eat 60 grams and only 60 grams to put on muscle mass. I am saying that it's a good possibility that Hershel isn't making anything up.
 

Zargon

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I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket and saying that one size fits all. If you listen to Hershel, he specifically says that his diet doesn't work for everyone and some people do better eating differently. I only bring up the 60 grams RDA as an example that there is a good possibility that Hershel is not making up stories.

fair enough, his mental situation however makes it likely that he isn't being honest, though its likely not on purpose, he likely believes whatever he says
 

purbeast0

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What are you talking about? I've already said that Lyle believes you need to eat more, the writer of that article. The article is about the debate between how much protein you need to eat and there is a group of people, mainstream nutritionists that believe 60 grams is enough. Mainstream as in doctors and pharmacists. Again, I bring this up as a defense for the Hershel Diet. I'm not saying everyone in the entire world must eat 60 grams and only 60 grams to put on muscle mass. I am saying that it's a good possibility that Hershel isn't making anything up.

you said that it is recommended to eat 60g of protein to put on muscle, and i said show links claiming that. all your links are showing is what is recommended to sustain/live off of, not what is for gaining muscle.

regardless of whether hershell is full of shit with his diet, either way he's a genetic freak and is 100% the exception.
 

bradley

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Not everyone's kidney's process protein similarly with some even having malabsorption issues and other disorders -- especially the elderly have difficulty maintaining muscle mass. Our current diets are also way too much muscle meat and not enough bone meal, causing other serious imbalances.

Don't let anyone ever convince you that nutrition is simple. Although, genetics are like a safety that nullifies all the issues regular people face.

Anyhow I hope to look as good as Hershel at 50. Additionally if this dude was on PED's there would be telltale signs at his age. He looks as wholesome as they come.
 

Texashiker

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I am not trying to sound racist, I wonder how the selective breeding of southern slave owners affect modern blacks?

Besides his dedication and nutrition, genetics has to play a role.

It is something society does not like to talk about, but it happened.
 

surfsatwerk

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I am not trying to sound racist, I wonder how the selective breeding of southern slave owners affect modern blacks?

Besides his dedication and nutrition, genetics has to play a role.

It is something society does not like to talk about, but it happened.

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TechBoyJK

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that guy looks like a cancer patient that lifts weights


his face screams 'Im going to die soon' or 'I love meth'

That's my point.

He's actually super healthy and is arguably the most fit person alive. (in regards to endurance)
 

mizzou

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I am not trying to sound racist, I wonder how the selective breeding of southern slave owners affect modern blacks?

Besides his dedication and nutrition, genetics has to play a role.

It is something society does not like to talk about, but it happened.

Probably very little. Humans across all races are very similar if you take into account proper nutritional levels and everything. Remember that every black male that survived, he was likely sold for some type of a purpose. And that purchasor would have bred whoever he had, if he had that opportunity.

Back then, in a life of hard labor, being huge and built would work against you because you needed more calories to survive.

Also, white men had a large part in breeding as well, with their own DNA.

Look at Asian men, they are now very close to the same average height as men in the USA. You don't go to Japan anymore and tower over everyone.

One big issue here is perception. When a white man sees a well built black man, they tend to get that slave ownership perception that's been ingrained in our heads and look at him like a piece of cattle. That doesn't happen so often when you look at well built white men.

On average, white men and black men are practically the same height. There isn't any difference, really, other then that of perception.

Also, social differences are what causes the other perceptional changes. I'd venture an uneducated guess and say that basketball is a much more common sport to play as a child in a large urban city vs. other sports. Since black people overwhelmingly live in urban centers, that means black people disproportionately are involved in playing basketball.

Because of the sheer numbers of those playing, you will have a better chance of finding more adept black basketball players then white players.

Who knows, that white guy playing football, soccer, or golf, he might have been a natural basketball player. But you would never know, because it's just not a hugely popular sport for white people to play.
 

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I believe he was diagnosed with split personalities that he sees treatment for.

Split personalities!?!?!?! That's like a level beyond paranoid schizophrenia. D:

So great physical genetics. Horrific mental health genetics or he went through some seriously traumatic shit.
 

bradley

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Anyhow, American men (and women) are way shorter and smaller compared to the average male in the Netherlands. I personally believe it's from the amount of vitamin K2 in their diets, but who knows for certain.
 

Strk

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Anyhow, American men (and women) are way shorter and smaller compared to the average male in the Netherlands. I personally believe it's from the amount of vitamin K2 in their diets, but who knows for certain.

1 1/2" inches? Yeah, real giants....
 

SP33Demon

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Probably very little. Humans across all races are very similar if you take into account proper nutritional levels and everything. Remember that every black male that survived, he was likely sold for some type of a purpose. And that purchasor would have bred whoever he had, if he had that opportunity.

Back then, in a life of hard labor, being huge and built would work against you because you needed more calories to survive.

Also, white men had a large part in breeding as well, with their own DNA.

Look at Asian men, they are now very close to the same average height as men in the USA. You don't go to Japan anymore and tower over everyone.

One big issue here is perception. When a white man sees a well built black man, they tend to get that slave ownership perception that's been ingrained in our heads and look at him like a piece of cattle. That doesn't happen so often when you look at well built white men.

On average, white men and black men are practically the same height. There isn't any difference, really, other then that of perception.

Also, social differences are what causes the other perceptional changes. I'd venture an uneducated guess and say that basketball is a much more common sport to play as a child in a large urban city vs. other sports. Since black people overwhelmingly live in urban centers, that means black people disproportionately are involved in playing basketball.

Because of the sheer numbers of those playing, you will have a better chance of finding more adept black basketball players then white players.

Who knows, that white guy playing football, soccer, or golf, he might have been a natural basketball player. But you would never know, because it's just not a hugely popular sport for white people to play.

Total egalitarian BS. Numerous studies have shown that blacks (and even asians) have different physical traits such as bone structure strength (more in blacks and asians vs whites).

J Bone Miner Res. 2008 Jan;23(1):121-30.
Race and ethnic variation in proximal femur structure and BMD among older men.
Marshall LM1, Zmuda JM, Chan BK, Barrett-Connor E, Cauley JA, Ensrud KE, Lang TF, Orwoll ES; Osteoporotic Fractures in Men (MrOS) Research Group.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17892375

M. Peacock, K. A. Buckwalter, S. Persohn, Thomas N. Hangartner, M. J. Econs, and S. Hui. "Race and Sex Differences in Bone Mineral Density and Geometry at the Femur" Bone 45.2 (2009): 218-225.
http://works.bepress.com/thomas_hangartner/11/

Additionally, we now know that stress and fear can traverse generations in mice and most likely humans. That means that descendants of a race that was stressed more (mentally and physically) such as slaves are most likely genetically wired differently due to the transgenerational passing of that modified gene.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-11-transmitting-stress-response-patterns.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-12-mice-sons-grandsons-dangers-sperm.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-07-obese-dads-predisposition-obesity-metabolic.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-04-scientists-unmask-piece-puzzle-inheritance.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-08-effects-prenatal-stress-mice.html

To claim that the only differences between races = environment-driven is ridiculous. There is a good amount that is DNA-driven as proven by these studies.
 

bradley

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1 1/2" inches? Yeah, real giants....

On average? That's huge, especially an advantage in sports.

I have read it's a difference anywhere between 1.5 and 2.5 inches. The people of the Netherlands are some of the tallest in the world, we are more toward the upper middle of the pack. They also have way less instance of osteoporosis than we do here.

BTW, average Dutch Female 5' 7" vs. US Female 5' 4.5"
 

OverVolt

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Total egalitarian BS. Numerous studies have shown that blacks (and even asians) have different physical traits such as bone structure strength (more in blacks and asians vs whites).

J Bone Miner Res. 2008 Jan;23(1):121-30.
Race and ethnic variation in proximal femur structure and BMD among older men.
Marshall LM1, Zmuda JM, Chan BK, Barrett-Connor E, Cauley JA, Ensrud KE, Lang TF, Orwoll ES; Osteoporotic Fractures in Men (MrOS) Research Group.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17892375

M. Peacock, K. A. Buckwalter, S. Persohn, Thomas N. Hangartner, M. J. Econs, and S. Hui. "Race and Sex Differences in Bone Mineral Density and Geometry at the Femur" Bone 45.2 (2009): 218-225.
http://works.bepress.com/thomas_hangartner/11/

Additionally, we now know that stress and fear can traverse generations in mice and most likely humans. That means that descendants of a race that was stressed more (mentally and physically) such as slaves are most likely genetically wired differently due to the transgenerational passing of that modified gene.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-11-transmitting-stress-response-patterns.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-12-mice-sons-grandsons-dangers-sperm.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-07-obese-dads-predisposition-obesity-metabolic.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-04-scientists-unmask-piece-puzzle-inheritance.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-08-effects-prenatal-stress-mice.html

To claim that the only differences between races = environment-driven is ridiculous. There is a good amount that is DNA-driven as proven by these studies.
Yea like my university of phoenix degree in phrenology.
 

midwestfisherman

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he is a genetic freak

"dinner which consists of soup, salad and bread. He does not eat red meat but will have chicken on occasion."

How the hell he can do 1,500 pushups pullups, etc. every day is amazing. How he finds time to do that, is also amazing. Lol

I can't even fathom how long it would take me to do 500 pushups.

He's been doing that kind of workout since college.
 

norseamd

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Total egalitarian BS. Numerous studies have shown that blacks (and even asians) have different physical traits such as bone structure strength (more in blacks and asians vs whites). J Bone Miner Res. 2008 Jan;23(1):121-30. Race and ethnic variation in proximal femur structure and BMD among older men. Marshall LM1, Zmuda JM, Chan BK, Barrett-Connor E, Cauley JA, Ensrud KE, Lang TF, Orwoll ES; Osteoporotic Fractures in Men (MrOS) Research Group. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17892375 M. Peacock, K. A. Buckwalter, S. Persohn, Thomas N. Hangartner, M. J. Econs, and S. Hui. "Race and Sex Differences in Bone Mineral Density and Geometry at the Femur" Bone 45.2 (2009): 218-225. http://works.bepress.com/thomas_hangartner/11/ Additionally, we now know that stress and fear can traverse generations in mice and most likely humans. That means that descendants of a race that was stressed more (mentally and physically) such as slaves are most likely genetically wired differently due to the transgenerational passing of that modified gene. http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-1...-patterns.html http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-1...ers-sperm.html http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-0...metabolic.html http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-0...heritance.html http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-0...ress-mice.html To claim that the only differences between races = environment-driven is ridiculous. There is a good amount that is DNA-driven as proven by these studies.

this is true but not black and white

have you ever seen a balck man win the worlds strongest man

northern europeans are probably the strongest humans alive

africans tend to be the fastest and biggest

they also have good physical characteristics all around

as for bone mass north asians along with northern europeans and polynesians probably have the stoutest frames but most asians are not of that type

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and then this crazy shit

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