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Heroes Volume III: Villains

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Originally posted by: Aflac
holy shit this was definitely one of the best episodes I've seen. It just made Season 3 better than Season 1.
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I was considering giving up on this show after 3 fairly crappy and weird episodes in Season 3 which was quite disappointing considering Seasons 1 and 2 were awesome. While today's episode was pretty good I don't think it makes it better than season 1 by any measure.

Still, pretty interesting episode today.
 
I laugh at all you haters that can't enjoy a good show. This show wasn't supposed to be realistic, its a comic book style show. Its awesome and probably the best and one of the few shows on tv that I will watch.
 
The last two shows I thought really brought the season back a bit. The first two episodes (as I mentioned earlier) were pretty meh, but yesterday's episode was actually pretty nifty.

Oh and I kinda feel bad for Suresh... just lost his poonani and is turning into a reptile 😛.
 
Originally posted by: KevinH
Originally posted by: Newbian
I wish it was a bit more entertaining but all the hype over these guys was a huge letdown.

Hopefully they find someone who can put up a challenge.
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That was the huge mistake they made.

You have a character that is near invincible (Peter).

You have a character that can time travel (any storyline can be undone).

Now characters formerly dead are coming back in the form of a twin and to be explained (linderman).

At this point the show is comically bad. There's no tension anymore. Zero. The writers should be ashamed.
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Yeah I agree, the first season had me on the edge of my seat, but there's not much tension in this one. Hiro and Peter can time travel anywhere they want and change history however they want. Peter, Sylar, Claire, and Adam can't be killed. Sylar isn't much of a threat anymore because he's going to turn into big daddy in the future, but now that Peter has his ability he's starting to go bananas. So all we really have for tension is Peter's mom saying there's someone pulling the strings and that they're all being manipulated. That doesn't feel like a very strong mission for Hiro, not like he had in the first season.

A lot of the material just feels like a tip of the hat towards the first season, acknowledging the issues they had but not really creating the drama that once was there. Like in the preview for the next episode, Claire's like, "How can you be working with that monster after what he did to me?" It just doesn't feel like as big of a deal anymore, it's just kind of a cursory reference to what happened before, but without all that great tension and "oh my gosh!" and "holy crap!" moments 😛

Oh and I think the girl is one of triplets, if I heard the doctor correctly.

And whatever happened to West, the flying kid? 😕
 
The flying kid (West) is nowhere to be found. So is the invisible man. Speaking of which, why doesn't Peter use invisibility more often?
 
Originally posted by: ricochet
The flying kid (West) is nowhere to be found. So is the invisible man. Speaking of which, why doesn't Peter use invisibility more often?
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Oh yeah, I totally forgot about the invisible man! 😀

I think Peter is way too focused on saving the world and simply has too many abilities to keep track of them all. He should pull a Memento and tatoo them on his arm for quick reference 😉
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: KevinH
Originally posted by: Newbian
I wish it was a bit more entertaining but all the hype over these guys was a huge letdown.

Hopefully they find someone who can put up a challenge.
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That was the huge mistake they made.

You have a character that is near invincible (Peter).

You have a character that can time travel (any storyline can be undone).

Now characters formerly dead are coming back in the form of a twin and to be explained (linderman).

At this point the show is comically bad. There's no tension anymore. Zero. The writers should be ashamed.
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Yeah I agree, the first season had me on the edge of my seat, but there's not much tension in this one. Hiro and Peter can time travel anywhere they want and change history however they want. Peter, Sylar, Claire, and Adam can't be killed. Sylar isn't much of a threat anymore because he's going to turn into big daddy in the future, but now that Peter has his ability he's starting to go bananas. So all we really have for tension is Peter's mom saying there's someone pulling the strings and that they're all being manipulated. That doesn't feel like a very strong mission for Hiro, not like he had in the first season.

A lot of the material just feels like a tip of the hat towards the first season, acknowledging the issues they had but not really creating the drama that once was there. Like in the preview for the next episode, Claire's like, "How can you be working with that monster after what he did to me?" It just doesn't feel like as big of a deal anymore, it's just kind of a cursory reference to what happened before, but without all that great tension and "oh my gosh!" and "holy crap!" moments 😛

Oh and I think the girl is one of triplets, if I heard the doctor correctly.

And whatever happened to West, the flying kid? 😕
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I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
 
Originally posted by: MH2007
I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
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I believe that he was killed because he was in the presence of the Haitian. I've always thought that if one of the "unkillable" people can be killed if their powers are stopped by the Haitian.

I also think that the one pulling the strings is Peter's mom. She has a HUGE role this season, it seems - "giving" powers to her own family (Gabriel, Nathan, Peter, Claire... probably herself... the list goes on).

I think there's plenty of tension left - how does Claire go so bad and how does Gabriel take over her house? Who's son is Gabriel taking care of? What happens to HRG in the future? How many people has future Peter killed, and why? Daphne + Parkman?? What's Adam's role in everything? How does Peter stop the Sylar hunger? Lots and lots more...
 
Originally posted by: MH2007
I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
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Nah future Peter is only kinda-dead. Remember they were talking about him not being really dead...they have to keep him in the "dead" state I think, like when Sylar put Claire's scalp back on her brain and brought her back to life.
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Baked
Hiro and Ando are a couple of dumbasses...
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This is news?
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My money is they are doing better than 90% here.
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you know they're not real characters right? The show is fictional, its not reality TV.

I just figure I'd point that out since you're comparing fictional characters on a show to people on a forum.

sorry for the spoiler

 
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: MH2007
I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
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Nah future Peter is only kinda-dead. Remember they were talking about him not being really dead...they have to keep him in the "dead" state I think, like when Sylar put Claire's scalp back on her brain and brought her back to life.
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I must've missed that part... but it might be like when Peter got that slice of glass stuck in his skull, and Claire got that monster wood splinter in her neck? Man, season 1 was so long ago...
 
Originally posted by: Aflac
Originally posted by: MH2007
I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
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I believe that he was killed because he was in the presence of the Haitian. I've always thought that if one of the "unkillable" people can be killed if their powers are stopped by the Haitian.

I also think that the one pulling the strings is Peter's mom. She has a HUGE role this season, it seems - "giving" powers to her own family (Gabriel, Nathan, Peter, Claire... probably herself... the list goes on).

I think there's plenty of tension left - how does Claire go so bad and how does Gabriel take over her house? Who's son is Gabriel taking care of? What happens to HRG in the future? How many people has future Peter killed, and why? Daphne + Parkman?? What's Adam's role in everything? How does Peter stop the Sylar hunger? Lots and lots more...
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The haitian being there only allowed claire to get a shot into the brain stem. That is what stops the healing (remember claire died in season 1 for a time along with peter in I think season two). I'm pretty sure if someone would remove the bullet then peter would be back with us.

 
Originally posted by: Aflac
Originally posted by: MH2007
I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
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I believe that he was killed because he was in the presence of the Haitian. I've always thought that if one of the "unkillable" people can be killed if their powers are stopped by the Haitian.

I also think that the one pulling the strings is Peter's mom. She has a HUGE role this season, it seems - "giving" powers to her own family (Gabriel, Nathan, Peter, Claire... probably herself... the list goes on).

I think there's plenty of tension left - how does Claire go so bad and how does Gabriel take over her house? Who's son is Gabriel taking care of? What happens to HRG in the future? How many people has future Peter killed, and why? Daphne + Parkman?? What's Adam's role in everything? How does Peter stop the Sylar hunger? Lots and lots more...
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Yeah, the Haitian thing is what I meant by "in the same way." You couldn't kill Adam or Claire like that because they would spontaneously regenerate once he leaves (like the branch in Claire's brain steam from Season 1).

I think the preview suggested that Nathan was given his powers. We'll see about the rest ...
 
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: Aflac
Originally posted by: MH2007
I actually think the main theme of this season is that (future) Peter cannot just time travel and change history however he wants. He realizes he screwed things up terribly and out of desparation decides he can't keep just jumping around and tries to convince (present) Peter to get Sylar's primary ability to decipher the formula and stop things in that way. Which looks to be potentially his worst mistake ever.

Hiro is very reluctant to time travel to change things after how badly things went with Adam.

It was well demonstrated that (future) Peter can be killed. Sylar and (present) Peter can most likely be killed in the same way. Adam and Claire likely cannot be killed since their regeneration is truly spontaneous and not controlled in any way.
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I believe that he was killed because he was in the presence of the Haitian. I've always thought that if one of the "unkillable" people can be killed if their powers are stopped by the Haitian.

I also think that the one pulling the strings is Peter's mom. She has a HUGE role this season, it seems - "giving" powers to her own family (Gabriel, Nathan, Peter, Claire... probably herself... the list goes on).

I think there's plenty of tension left - how does Claire go so bad and how does Gabriel take over her house? Who's son is Gabriel taking care of? What happens to HRG in the future? How many people has future Peter killed, and why? Daphne + Parkman?? What's Adam's role in everything? How does Peter stop the Sylar hunger? Lots and lots more...
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The haitian being there only allowed claire to get a shot into the brain stem. That is what stops the healing (remember claire died in season 1 for a time along with peter in I think season two). I'm pretty sure if someone would remove the bullet then peter would be back with us.
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I seem to remember Claire shooting him center mass, but I might be wrong. Plus the Anger Man and the Speedster seemed, to think it was pretty definitive that he was dead, but what do they know, right? I had forgotten that Peter also got the come-back-from-the-dead treatment that Claire had gotten, so who knows if future Peter will be back. Not sure if it would be necessary, really, we still have present Peter kicking around.
 
As long as they keep the bullet in his brain, he won't be getting up... unless the writers decide to change something about how it's worked in the past.
 
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