Heroes: Volume II

[HeroOfPellinor]

Anybody else think Kensei/Adam may be the original mutant and that all the others are spawned from him?

Because his regenerative powers are nothing special.....Claire and Peter also have them and they aren't so dangerous they need to locked up. But what if Kensei has every power....kind of like the original vampire always being the baddest ass.

I guess we'll see, but given that it's genetic and that Kensei was alive during Feudal Japan which predates anybody else with power by centuries, it stands to reason he was the first.

 

[AmdInside]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Heard on the radio that Heroes episode 11 this season is being redone because the show might have to end because of the writers strike.

When in the preview, they stated the Heroes have 5 weeks to stop the virus, in the back of my mind, I felt that NBC had made a decision already to end the season early. I think the last strike took months.

 

[UpgradeFailure]

Originally posted by: AmdInside

Originally posted by: rpanic
Heard on the radio that Heroes episode 11 this season is being redone because the show might have to end because of the writers strike.

When in the preview, they stated the Heroes have 5 weeks to stop the virus, in the back of my mind, I felt that NBC had made a decision already to end the season early. I think the last strike took months.

I thought it was always planned as kind of a 2 part season? As far as I remember it was a half season (10-12 episodes or so) with a beginning and an end. Then the spin-off while they were on break, then another set of 10ish episodes with another beginning and an end?

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure

Originally posted by: AmdInside

Originally posted by: rpanic
Heard on the radio that Heroes episode 11 this season is being redone because the show might have to end because of the writers strike.

When in the preview, they stated the Heroes have 5 weeks to stop the virus, in the back of my mind, I felt that NBC had made a decision already to end the season early. I think the last strike took months.

I thought it was always planned as kind of a 2 part season? As far as I remember it was a half season (10-12 episodes or so) with a beginning and an end. Then the spin-off while they were on break, then another set of 10ish episodes with another beginning and an end?

Thats what I was thinking too, last season the took the first 4 episodes to introduce the characters and set up Sylar then they set up the "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" thing which took through episode 9. After that the season lulled for a bit while they refocused on the bomb before doing the bomb in the season finale. It'll probably be similar this season, they start by (re)introducing the characters and setting up the new situation, now they've introduced the first plot arc, the virus (and the paintings) which will go for the next few episodes then they'll refocus for the finale.

 

[hdeck]

just thought i'd bump this thread with an article in entertainment weekly where the heroes creator basically says he fcked up big time this season:

'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans

Tim Kring admits mistakes were made at the beginning of season 2, but promises to get back on track

On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes ? he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes ? and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 ? a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) ? by weaving her in via Peter's story line ? is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan ? where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) ? finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale ? a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints ? and we're doing something about it.''

source

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: hdeck
just thought i'd bump this thread with an article in entertainment weekly where the heroes creator basically says he fcked up big time this season:

'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans

Tim Kring admits mistakes were made at the beginning of season 2, but promises to get back on track

On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes ? he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes ? and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 ? a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) ? by weaving her in via Peter's story line ? is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan ? where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) ? finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale ? a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints ? and we're doing something about it.''

source

I don't necessarily agree with the first one, and partially with the second. The other three are pretty much on track though.

 

[dighn]

Nice.. somebody who acknowledges their mistakes the things mentioned there were definitely annoying but overall it's still a good show. :thumbsup:

 

[Aikouka]

I'm going to be quite disappointed if the show ends early like that . We waited so long for season 2 and now these writers are ruining it for us again! It'd be nice if they could put this monetary difference in perspective rather than just sounding like your typical whiny people thinking they're not being paid enough for DVDs and Intarwebz showings.

 

[ChaoZ]

"That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3."

Best news I've heard all day.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: hdeck
just thought i'd bump this thread with an article in entertainment weekly where the heroes creator basically says he fcked up big time this season:

'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans

Tim Kring admits mistakes were made at the beginning of season 2, but promises to get back on track

On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes ? he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes ? and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 ? a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) ? by weaving her in via Peter's story line ? is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan ? where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) ? finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale ? a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints ? and we're doing something about it.''

source

Agreed on all points. I hope that Maya gets axed... she's this season's Nikki for sure. I say Sylar should give her a nice long screw, then chop her head off.

 

[maziwanka]

i thought this season was better than the first

 

[Demo24]

glad its going to be around for a 3rd season though! Gives them time to fix their mistakes and hopefully make it even better.

 

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: hdeck
just thought i'd bump this thread with an article in entertainment weekly where the heroes creator basically says he fcked up big time this season:

'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans

Tim Kring admits mistakes were made at the beginning of season 2, but promises to get back on track

On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes ? he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes ? and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 ? a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) ? by weaving her in via Peter's story line ? is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan ? where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) ? finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale ? a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints ? and we're doing something about it.''

source

Agreed on all points. I hope that Maya gets axed... she's this season's Nikki for sure. I say Sylar should give her a nice long screw, then chop her head off.

yup, but the brother is the actually the key.........his absorption of the virus (well this is how it's going to go down peter meets him and takes the power and then morphs it into the CURE) simple and to the point...prediction here....

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Juno

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: sonoma1993
how did kensei get into the future?

is regenerative skills make him immortal.
also, money says he's claire's real father

huh? isn't nathan the real father of claire?

Yeah, so far I don't think they've made a connection between powers and inheritance. Seems random more than anything. Otherwise they wasted a helluva lot of plotline last season establishing a blood relationship between Claire and the Petrellis.

Insofar as Matt and his dad have the same power, it seems some think Kensei is Claire's real father. Her mom, the trailer park torch could have slept with Kensei as well as Nathan. For that matter Nathan could been unfaithful to his wife with another mistress who bore West.

Originally posted by: hdeck
*spoiler* from the preview you see adam and peter talking while they are both held captive so it's safe to say they met there.

Which begs the question why Peter with all his powers was imprisoned with Kensei?

Originally posted by: lupi
So about half of the 8 pictures have now come true? And it's starting to get awfully complicated it seems.

The implication is Moh pops HRG in the head. I tell you Bob is an idiot. He sends Moh alone to heal and retrieve the Haitian and Moh loses him. Moh can't prick the Black girl yet Bob arms him to fight off HRG in order to retrieve Claire. Right! Send Gandi up against a seasoned operative, a killer on the run. [I can understand Bob being the money in the Company with his Midas touch but not in upper management.]

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Peter loses his girl in season 1 to a rival Hero. In Season 2 he loses her to a future timeline. If he saves the world again and changes the timeline is she forever lost and unretrieve-able?

Hiro's conflict with each season's bad guys, Sylar and Kensei partially revolves around a girl. He mistakenly thinks he's successfully dispatched both rivals and although he gets the girl in season 2 it comes at a high price with a centuries old grudge that's gonna costs more than his father's life.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: alrocky
Which begs the question why Peter with all his powers was imprisoned with Kensei?

because the company thinks he is too dangerous to be in the open. thus the memory wipe and all expenses paid trip to europe.

Originally posted by: archiloco
yup, but the brother is the actually the key.........his absorption of the virus (well this is how it's going to go down peter meets him and takes the power and then morphs it into the CURE) simple and to the point...prediction here....

given that there are only 4 episodes left in the season and it's already been said that claire's blood is the cure, i find that one HIGHLY unlikely.

 

[Spineshank]

I like this season. People need more patience for things to come about.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
I like this season. People need more patience for things to come about.

I couldn't agree more. Maybe it was because I taped like the last 4 episodes and watched them over 2 nights, but why is everyone in a rush for instant action? I like the character building and storylines. You know they will eventually link together so just calm down. This is still one of the best shows on TV right now, even if it isn't as great as mid season 1. The last 2 episodes seem to have picked up as well. At least the creator is trying to make it right.

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: alrocky

*spoiler* from the preview you see adam and peter talking while they are both held captive so it's safe to say they met there.

Which begs the question why Peter with all his powers was imprisoned with Kensei?

because the company thinks he is too dangerous to be in the open. thus the memory wipe and all expenses paid trip to europe.

No, why would the Company imprison both of them together in the same room? Surely they have more than one cell for miscreant Heroes. As far as we know only the Haitian can do a memory wipe but he's on the run with Noah.

No surprise that this episode is good cause there's no twins and the black girl.

Hope Peter never runs into her.

As long as Peter also meets the brother he should be okay... well, once he learns to control it.

Actually I meant I hope Peter doesn't run into the Black girl. He's much too powerful now and if he got her 'muscle memory' the writers would have a heck of a time drawing up an equalizing scenario for him.

Anybody else think Kensei/Adam may be the original mutant and that all the others are spawned from him? What if Kensei has every power....kind of like the original vampire always being the baddest ass. I guess we'll see, but given that it's genetic and that Kensei was alive during Feudal Japan which predates anybody else with power by centuries, it stands to reason he was the first.

I'd like to know if Hiro and or the eclipse caused Kensei's power to come about. Just as Matt went from reading minds to making nightmares, Kensei has had 100's of years to turn into one super duper powerful Hero or in this case villian. Gad I hope this is not so.

I understand why Adam wanted to destroy the company but I don't understand why Matt's father did. I suppose Adam manipulated Matt's father to do his bidding and is somehow trying to do the same with Peter.

You answered your own question. Bob explained that Adam got Matt's dad to do his bidding. And Linderman too.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
I like this season. People need more patience for things to come about.

I couldn't agree more. Maybe it was because I taped like the last 4 episodes and watched them over 2 nights, but why is everyone in a rush for instant action? I like the character building and storylines. You know they will eventually link together so just calm down. This is still one of the best shows on TV right now, even if it isn't as great as mid season 1. The last 2 episodes seem to have picked up as well. At least the creator is trying to make it right.

dvr is definitely key because I also watched this whole season so far in about 5 days.

That said, maya/black girl is boring as shit, as are the romance tangents. the rest is awesome

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Anybody else think Kensei/Adam may be the original mutant and that all the others are spawned from him?

Because his regenerative powers are nothing special.....Claire and Peter also have them and they aren't so dangerous they need to locked up. But what if Kensei has every power....kind of like the original vampire always being the baddest ass.

I guess we'll see, but given that it's genetic and that Kensei was alive during Feudal Japan which predates anybody else with power by centuries, it stands to reason he was the first.

I don't think he has all the powers like the first vampire, but I have thought he may be "the original". There seems to be no rhyme or reason to powers being passed on other then its probably a recessive gene and that you randomly get a power. Obviously, that flies in the face on evolution theory which they seem to play up heavily, but whatever.

He is old enough that he could be the original and great great great (yada yada) grandpa of all the other characters.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: alrocky
No, why would the Company imprison both of them together in the same room? Surely they have more than one cell for miscreant Heroes. As far as we know only the Haitian can do a memory wipe but he's on the run with Noah.

no? have you seen all the episodes leading up until the hiatus? who else would have given peter the memory wipe? the haitian is the only one that can. you give the writers of the show way too much credit. maybe they have separate rooms but are together in the scene when they meet because they were in the medical facility or something? the whole point of this season is those 2 meeting up so them being imprisoned together is the perfect plot device.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
i thought this season was better than the first

I liked hiro in japan...but it really did go on for two long.

And I liked Peter finally acting like a badass that we all knew he was.

But a lot of the rest was pretty disjointed. The end episode payoffs were weaksauce compared to season one. Nov5 was good though, lots of plot movement in that episode and a totally awesome (even if somewhat predictable) revelation with the adam reintroduction.

And yeah, the butt buddies and the black eyed twins are annoying. At least they sort of unsuckified fartman's power. Reading minds is kind of useless when the other guy is tossing lightning bolts at you.

 

[alkemyst]

My prediction is Peter will become God on earth. He will bury anyone that comes to him...in time.

Hiro is the mechanism...self-sacrifice > self-preservation. YATTA!

Death by sword and fire.

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Butt buddies are back in action.

Originally posted by: PingSpike
And yeah, the butt buddies... At least they sort of unsuckified fartman's power. Reading minds is kind of useless when the other guy is tossing lightning bolts at you.

Molly's men, Matt and Moh?

Another thing Matt and Moh have in common is their apparent destinys to shoot Noah. Matt shot HRG in that fantastic future timeline last season and it looks like Moh is going to finish him off in a future episode this year.

Looking forward to the Nov 12 show!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: alrocky

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: alrocky

*spoiler* from the preview you see adam and peter talking while they are both held captive so it's safe to say they met there.

Which begs the question why Peter with all his powers was imprisoned with Kensei?

because the company thinks he is too dangerous to be in the open. thus the memory wipe and all expenses paid trip to europe.

No, why would the Company imprison both of them together in the same room? Surely they have more than one cell for miscreant Heroes. As far as we know only the Haitian can do a memory wipe but he's on the run with Noah.

uhhh, actually the haitian would have done the memory wipe BEFORE going on the run.