Herman Cain stumbles on Libya question

[Craig234]

I hope Cain wins the nomination and whips Obama's ugly butt.
I don't care who the nominee is I will vote for them just to get rid of BHO.

You're nuts (like many people). I am curious why. I'd ask you to explain your pathological hatred of Obama, but expect all I'd get is drool on my monitor.

But I'm curious anyway. When did you develop hatred for him (the moment you heard his name or later?) For what reason? Where did get you get info when you started?

 

[Ausm]

You're nuts (like many people). I am curious why. I'd ask you to explain your pathological hatred of Obama, but expect all I'd get is drool on my monitor.

But I'm curious anyway. When did you develop hatred for him (the moment you heard his name or later?) For what reason? Where did get you get info when you started?

That is a question I would like to pose to the majority of the Rabid Right Wingers on this forum.

 

[HomerJS]

You're nuts (like many people). I am curious why. I'd ask you to explain your pathological hatred of Obama, but expect all I'd get is drool on my monitor.

But I'm curious anyway. When did you develop hatred for him (the moment you heard his name or later?) For what reason? Where did get you get info when you started?

I can answer that question.

The first time they heard...

his name is what?!!!!!

and he's a what?!!!!

 

[Icepick]

I hope Cain wins the nomination and whips Obama's ugly butt.
I don't care who the nominee is I will vote for them just to get rid of BHO.

LOL Not sure if serious?

 

[Thump553]

I am saying people make mistakes. People forget things. People get nervous when on the spot and can't think of an answer. Of course I could take the partisan approach and call the guy an idiot but clearly, he was not prepared to comment and was caught off guard. Sure, not great, but far less sinister than your take on the matter. You act like this has never happened to anyone on the left or that it was an honest mistake if it had. People aren't perfect is all I am saying. If he gets asked that question again and has the same (non)response then I am willing to agree he is a moron.

Cain was sitting in a conference room being interviewed by a newspaper's editorial staff. That's pretty routine stuff for a presidential candidate. If he can't handle that he has no business running at all-for anything over county board.

Face it, the guy's a pathatic joke-good lobbyist, great pitchman, but hopeless as presidential timber. Don't worry though, the other GOP lobbyist (Gingrich) is coming up fast in the polls so the vested interests will still have a potential in.

 

[zsdersw]

But they have to be perfect while proving Obama is imperfect amiright?

Double standard detected.

Is it on your list of things you're willing to do to criticize the mistakes of those with whom your ideology is similar?

Or are you only interested in criticizing those who point out the mistakes of those with whom your ideology is similar?

Let's face facts. There is an incumbent in the 2012 presidential election. This means there is no primary race for that particular political party. Since this time around it's Republicans who have a primary race to fight it shouldn't be anything surprising (or anything worth the enmity you're showing) that their mistakes and missteps are fodder on these forums. Naturally there will not be as many about the incumbent because there is no primary fight to talk about.

There was lots of this during the primary elections for the 2008 and 2004 presidential elections on the Democratic side... were you there to criticize people who posted about their missteps? If not, would you have done so if you were on these forums at that time?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I find it funny, but disappointing, that the Republican reaction to criticism of Cain is to say, "but President Obama is bad too!"

First, I do not agree that President Obama and Herman Cain are fungible. Whether or not you like President Obama, he has always demonstrated an active interest and curiosity regarding foreign affairs, even if he hasn't always made the decisions I might have made. Cain, on the other hand, doesn't know that China has had nuclear weapons for almost 50 years, and, in this interview, says he would have handled the Libya situation better than President Obama but plainly has no idea what President Obama actually did, earlier this year.

Even if you think President Obama is stupid and incompetent, why does that make it acceptable to elect another stupid, incompetent candidate? You have at least a couple of reasonably bright, competent GOP picks - why would anyone choose an idiot like Cain?

 

[zsdersw]

I find it funny, but disappointing, that the Republican reaction to criticism of Cain is to say, "but President Obama is bad too!"

First, I do not agree that President Obama and Herman Cain are fungible. Whether or not you like President Obama, he has always demonstrated an active interest and curiosity regarding foreign affairs, even if he hasn't always made the decisions I might have made. Cain, on the other hand, doesn't know that China has had nuclear weapons for almost 50 years, and, in this interview, says he would have handled the Libya situation better than President Obama but plainly has no idea what President Obama actually did, earlier this year.

Even if you think President Obama is stupid and incompetent, why does that make it acceptable to elect another stupid, incompetent candidate? You have at least a couple of reasonably bright, competent GOP picks - why would anyone choose an idiot like Cain?

It's quite impossible for anyone here to criticize "their side".

 

[Vic Vega]

Wise-ass all you want, Republican challengers to Obama's re-election have to do more than prove Obama isn't perfect, they have to prove that they are a better alternative.

No, they don't really. They just to be in the race. This is how badly the country wants rid of Obama.

 

[xBiffx]

I find it funny, but disappointing, that the Republican reaction to criticism of Cain is to say, "but President Obama is bad too!"

First, I do not agree that President Obama and Herman Cain are fungible. Whether or not you like President Obama, he has always demonstrated an active interest and curiosity regarding foreign affairs, even if he hasn't always made the decisions I might have made. Cain, on the other hand, doesn't know that China has had nuclear weapons for almost 50 years, and, in this interview, says he would have handled the Libya situation better than President Obama but plainly has no idea what President Obama actually did, earlier this year.

Even if you think President Obama is stupid and incompetent, why does that make it acceptable to elect another stupid, incompetent candidate? You have at least a couple of reasonably bright, competent GOP picks - why would anyone choose an idiot like Cain?

Because it shows the double standard by those on the left. They simply apply different standards to the candidates this time around. Clearly not the same standards as the last election. So I say, the left isn't able to do what you expect the right to due. Again, yet another double standard.

To you last point. Why did anyone choose Obama when clearly there were more experienced choices? Oh darn, I just did it again.

 

[fskimospy]

Because it shows the double standard by those on the left. They simply apply different standards to the candidates this time around. Clearly not the same standards as the last election. So I say, the left isn't able to do what you expect the right to due. Again, yet another double standard.

To you last point. Why did anyone choose Obama when clearly there were more experienced choices? Oh darn, I just did it again.

That's simply more false equivalence.

He asked about stupidity and incompetence, you retorted with experience. Experience is valued in a job, but the lack of it is not always a dealbreaker. Stupidity and incompetence are values that no one wants in a candidate.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Because it shows the double standard by those on the left. They simply apply different standards to the candidates this time around. Clearly not the same standards as the last election. So I say, the left isn't able to do what you expect the right to due. Again, yet another double standard.

To you last point. Why did anyone choose Obama when clearly there were more experienced choices? Oh darn, I just did it again.

I don't see any double standard. I consider President Obama a highly intelligent, thoughtful man, with a knowledge of foreign and domestic affairs that is far above average. Despite all the teleprompter talk from the GOP, he availed himself very well in the debates in 2008, and thus handily defeated one of the best-respected men in the GOP over the past 30 years. As I said, not fungible with Cain by any means.

I felt, and still feel, that President Obama was the best candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination in 2008, and felt he was a better choice than McCain, despite the fact that McCain had more political experience.

I never said "most experienced" was the sole criteria on which I am judging these people. If there existed a theoretical Herman Cain with years of experience in business who also happened to be very bright and curious regarding political matters, but had no experience in elected office, I'd be interested to learn more about him. Unfortunately, the ACTUAL Herman Cain is, among his other attributes, shockingly ignorant, dishonest, stupid, and totally lacking in any of the characteristics that help make for an effective President. I don't pretend President Obama is the greatest President in history, but he is a quantum leap ahead of Herman Cain in every relevant category.

 

[brencat]

Frankly, this was a highly embarrassing moment for Herman Cain. To be considered for President, a candidate has to be able to dance on their feet in my opinion. He/she needs to be a great salesman and reasonably intelligent.

I think Herman Cain is a decent salesman but of only average intelligence. And that is not going to cut it for the most powerful position on Earth.

All of the GOP candidates are flawed, just like our current president. Only Ron Paul and Romney are articulate enough and qualified to take office though.

And to Craig's point about why we 'hate' Obama, let me step in to say I do not hate him at all as a person. He is a nice man. But I disagree wholeheartedly with his policies... the $250k threshold for higher taxes, passing of Obamacare, the growth of government, anti-corporate rhetoric, class warfare rhetoric, and failing to address some of the things that Dems SHOULD have done the moment they took office (repeal carried interest, raise cap gains taxes while lowering W2-based taxes, etc).

Now have I kidded myself into believing that any of the GOP candidates will propose to raise cap gains taxes or repeal carried interest? Not a chance. But at least the anti-business and class warfare rhetoric will disappear and perhaps we may even get Obamacare reworked. And for that, I believe it will substantially improve the business climate and attitudes toward hiring that will reduce unemployment. Everything else is a backburner issue to me. The economy and wallet issues will always be #1.

 

[cganesh75]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_nDFKAmCo

Not as bad as Rick Perry's stumble last week, but wow these GOP candidates are getting ridiculous.
It seems the only candidates that know anything at all are Romney, Paul, and Huntsman.

brings back memories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxAO7cH-xrE

 

[rudder]

You're nuts (like many people). I am curious why. I'd ask you to explain your pathological hatred of Obama, but expect all I'd get is drool on my monitor.

Just as soon as you and your ilk explain their pathological love for obama and the democrats. I know a lot of people on the right lambasting bush for raping the U.S. treasury on his way out, mishandling on Iraq, NCLB, etc... but with obama... his shit simply does not stink.

At least I have the understanding that republican politicians are weasels and they trade our support for a little national direction here and there. Nacy pelosi makes mint off some inside stock knowledge... and well her shit comes out sparkly clean as well.... but she is for the people!

Yes, obama was a good debater mastering those prepared and coached talking points... his image was kept sparkly clean during his campaign by his handlers. But that does not make him an effective leader does it? why the hell am I asking you anyway... I know your answer.

Cain is selling himself as a businessman that can get the country on the right track. He is not doing a good job of it... but hell to make a fuss over one snippet. Like others have said... is there a pattern here?

 

[zsdersw]

but hell to make a fuss over one snippet.

Did you also criticize those fusses back in the 2008 and 2004 presidential primaries? They were made on this and other forums back then, just as they are now.

Like others have said... is there a pattern here?

Yes. There are multiple patterns playing out on this forum... by people like you and people like Craig234.

 

[Onceler]

I find it funny, but disappointing, that the Republican reaction to criticism of Cain is to say, "but President Obama is bad too!"

First, I do not agree that President Obama and Herman Cain are fungible. Whether or not you like President Obama, he has always demonstrated an active interest and curiosity regarding foreign affairs, even if he hasn't always made the decisions I might have made. Cain, on the other hand, doesn't know that China has had nuclear weapons for almost 50 years, and, in this interview, says he would have handled the Libya situation better than President Obama but plainly has no idea what President Obama actually did, earlier this year.

Even if you think President Obama is stupid and incompetent, why does that make it acceptable to elect another stupid, incompetent candidate? You have at least a couple of reasonably bright, competent GOP picks - why would anyone choose an idiot like Cain?

An active interest as staning up the french president?

 

[Craig234]

You didn't answer my question, onceler.

 

[Macamus Prime]

You're nuts (like many people). I am curious why. I'd ask you to explain your pathological hatred of Obama, but expect all I'd get is drool on my monitor.

But I'm curious anyway. When did you develop hatred for him (the moment you heard his name or later?) For what reason? Where did get you get info when you started?

Probably when he was born,...

 

[OutHouse]

wow he fucked up one interview lets tar and feather him and kick him to the curb!!!

its amazing what you tools will sink your teeth into.

 

[Thump553]

If you think Cain's only problem is one bad interview you've been out of touch for at least the last couple of weeks.

And frankly any Democratic "tool" would be thrilled and delighted to have Cain as the official GOP nominee. He's a bantam weight way, way out of his division.

 

[sm625]

They all stumble on Libya. The whole country of frickin morons has stumbled on Libya. No one even knows a damn thing about the country, wont ever know, and wont ever frickin care.

 

[bfdd]

Probably when he was born,...

Macamus, you do realize how shallow you are for constantly going to racial issues as to why people disagree or don't like something right? It makes you look incredibly pathetic and closed minded. You're no worse than those you rant and rave about. tool.

 

[her209]

 

[peonyu]

Well Cain redeemed himself in the end in GOP eyes, because he concluded, what ever Obama did in Libya, he wasn't sure what, that he, Herman would have done it better.

In other words he was "no comment" because he might disagree with bombing Libya and installing a Islamic regime over there. And that of course would piss off all the war mongers and hurt him in the election. Not good, hes not even on the ballot yet and he is already shady and wont state his real opinions.

Libya is a clusterfuck now by all accounts, worse than under Gaddafi [which by African standards was GOOD believe it or not]. If anyone disagrees on Libya and think it was BS from the getgo its not a surprise. Vietnam was bullshit to, but its not viewed as good by the all powerful media at this time to state that it was bs.