Herman Cain accused by SEVERAL women of inappropriate behavior

[shira]

These are pretty graphic accusations from Bialek:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...licly-monday/2011/11/07/gIQA6KwPvM_story.html

The accusations from Sharon Bialek, a single mother from Chicago, threw Cain’s campaign into another day of turmoil when she described how he allegedly sexually harassed and groped her while the two sat in a car together in Washington. At the time of the alleged incident, Bialek said, she had recently lost her job at the restaurant association, where Cain was chief executive, and was seeking his help finding work.

When she told him to stop touching her, she said, Cain replied: “You want a job, right?”

Bialek said Cain forcefully touched her, putting his hand up her skirt, reaching for her genitals and pushing her head down toward his crotch.

As to Bialek's credibility:

Bialek had told two people — a former boyfriend and a businessman in Chicago — her story at the time of the alleged incident, Allred said. She held up two pages that she said were sworn affidavits from the two men supporting Bialek’s account.

This story isn't going to be easy to dismiss. In fact, if Cain can't convincingly discredit Bialek, he's a dead candidate walking.

And if you insist this is a liberal conspiracy, ask yourself the question: Why on earth would liberals want to destroy Cain NOW, as opposed to after he won the Republican nomination? Cain - even a non-womanizing Cain - is completely unelectable. Speaking as a liberal, I'd LOVE Cain to face Obama in the general election.

 

[bobdole369]

I don't see sexual harrassment. I see a pass. She said no, he stopped. Where is the harrassment?

 

[Ausm]

I don't see sexual harrassment. I see a pass. She said no, he stopped. Where is the harrassment?

When's the last time you slipped your hand up some chick's skirt who was working for you going for her crotch and she was ok with it?

:whiste:😕

 

[Doppel]

This goes to show you, in politics you attack the person.

You couldn't attack the message, the people heard it and catapulted Cain up to the front runner. Soon as his enemies saw that they ignored his message and attacked him.

Yet his message is one that cannot be ignored. It is a true conservative demand, we want a tax system similar or equal to 9-9-9. We want loopholes cut out and removed, we want everyone paying their 'fair share'.

Cain is a threat to your status quo. Succeed at taking him out and you will place another George W Bush into the White House. You'd love that wouldn't you?

You aren't paying attention. Everyone already attacked his message. His tax plan is a complete catastrophe and we all know that.

And, now, it's time to attack the person, too, and that's also very easy.

Therefore not only does the message suck but so does the messenger.

When's the last time you slipped your hand up some chick's skirt who was working for you going for her crotch and she was ok with it?

I do this all the time, at work, at stores, etc. you mean it's wrong? That must be why the cops keep arresting me.

Cain is to speak out about these allegations. So much for him and his "not talking about this again" stuff, lol.

My guess as to contents of his discussion:

1) Categorically deny
2) Ms. Bialek's character is questionable
3) No proof of it whatsoever; never reported at the time
4) More high-tech lynching from a media that cannot attack my message (and might even be racist)

 

[Cogman]

You aren't paying attention. Everyone already attacked his message. His tax plan is a complete catastrophe and we all know that.

And, now, it's time to attack the person, too, and that's also very easy.

Therefore not only does the message suck but so does the messenger.I do this all the time, at work, at stores, etc. you mean it's wrong? That must be why the cops keep arresting me.

Cain is to speak out about these allegations. So much for him and his "not talking about this again" stuff, lol.

My guess as to contents of his discussion:

1) Categorically deny
2) Ms. Bialek's character is questionable
3) No proof of it whatsoever; never reported at the time
4) More high-tech lynching from a media that cannot attack my message (and might even be racist)

But he makes such wonderful commercials!

http://youtu.be/qhm-22Q0PuM

 

[Phokus]

This goes to show you, in politics you attack the person.

You couldn't attack the message, the people heard it and catapulted Cain up to the front runner. Soon as his enemies saw that they ignored his message and attacked him.

Yet his message is one that cannot be ignored. It is a true conservative demand, we want a tax system similar or equal to 9-9-9. We want loopholes cut out and removed, we want everyone paying their 'fair share'.

Cain is a threat to your status quo. Succeed at taking him out and you will place another George W Bush into the White House. You'd love that wouldn't you?

You're beyond fucking retarded, did these women go back in time once they realized Cain would be a presidential candidate and claim sexual harrassment and collect settlements?

And we've been attacking his 9-9-9 plan all along, you batshit retard.

 

[Ausm]

Cain vows to set the record straight!

http://news.yahoo.com/cain-vows-set-record-straight-103933295.html

 

[HomerJS]

Thread title needs update. 4 women (and counting) (as of now) (currently) (so far) take your pick

 

[Rastus]

She said he upgraded her hotel room to a nice suite. I would assume that can be checked out.

 

[Uhtrinity]

He is sunk. He boldly said there were no settlements and that he knew of none. Turns out he lied. End of story. Fitting end to a miserable crazy candidate with poor policies.

Also amusing watching the conservatives eat their own, no need to bring in the liberals yet.

 

[bobdole369]

When's the last time you slipped your hand up some chick's skirt who was working for you going for her crotch and she was ok with it?

:whiste:😕

I tend to think "going for her crotch" is a little exaggerated. Whatever the case (he probably grabbed her knee maybe touched her thigh) it's "battery" not harrassment.

Just because she was looking for work doesn't change the law. She can easily not work for this company full of sleazebags. She coukd easily find a cop or dial 911.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I tend to think "going for her crotch" is a little exaggerated. Whatever the case (he probably grabbed her knee maybe touched her thigh) it's "battery" not harrassment.

Just because she was looking for work doesn't change the law. She can easily not work for this company full of sleazebags. She coukd easily find a cop or dial 911.

Why is the right so focused on this "it's not harassment" angle on this matter? It's it just to distract from what it actually is?

I watched the press conference. No one claimed harassment that I recall. They stated that Cain was sexually inappropriate which, if the description of events is accurate, he certainly was.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This goes to show you, in politics you attack the person.

You couldn't attack the message, the people heard it and catapulted Cain up to the front runner. Soon as his enemies saw that they ignored his message and attacked him.

Yet his message is one that cannot be ignored. It is a true conservative demand, we want a tax system similar or equal to 9-9-9. We want loopholes cut out and removed, we want everyone paying their 'fair share'.

Cain is a threat to your status quo. Succeed at taking him out and you will place another George W Bush into the White House. You'd love that wouldn't you?

This post is hilarious in that you are assuming anyone took him seriously as a candidate in the first place. He appears to be completely brain-dead, and his one distinctive policy position, 9-9-9, has been thoroughly discredited by economists on both sides of the aisle (further demonstrated by the fact that he fundamentally changed 9-9-9 within days of introducing it, by eliminating taxes against people below the poverty line).

 

[bobdole369]

Why is the right so focused on this "it's not harassment" angle on this matter? It's it just to distract from what it actually is?

I watched the press conference. No one claimed harassment that I recall. They stated that Cain was sexually inappropriate which, if the description of events is accurate, he certainly was.

It's the media that is reporting the incidents gnerally as "harassment". Noting that while my name is similar to a right-leaning fellow, I myself am very far left. I simply wish they would call it what it is - a sexual assault - if he really was reaching for her goods.

Noting that she told him to stop and made it clear that it wasn't wanted. Then he stopped. Where is the issue? If there was any unwanted molestation it was her duty to report that to the police and file a report or pursue a restraining order. That she didn't makes me think that it didn't go very far, and that its exactly what we think. A pass - might be unwanted, but it didn't continue. She certainly did the right thing. This is coming up now because she knows that she can injure him. Typical female behavior IMO.

This is a classic case of sniper by media.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cain-sexual-harassment-accuser-sharon-bialek-paid/story?id=14901062

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ccuser-steps-forward-with-detailed-allegation

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-1108-cain-accuser-20111108,0,4164361.story

CBS news seems to get it right:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...uses-cain-of-sexually-inappropriate-behavior/

 

[airdata]

Republicans : Impeach Clinton, Back Herman Cain.

LOL

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It's the media that is reporting the incidents gnerally as "harassment". Noting that while my name is similar to a right-leaning fellow, I myself am very far left. I simply wish they would call it what it is - a sexual assault - if he really was reaching for her goods.

Noting that she told him to stop and made it clear that it wasn't wanted. Then he stopped. Where is the issue? If there was any unwanted molestation it was her duty to report that to the police and file a report or pursue a restraining order. That she didn't makes me think that it didn't go very far, and that its exactly what we think. A pass - might be unwanted, but it didn't continue. She certainly did the right thing. This is coming up now because she knows that she can injure him. Typical female behavior IMO.

This is a classic case of sniper by media.

You aren't free to take any action against another person up until you are advised to stop. I can't punch someone on the street and say it was ok because I stopped when they asked. I can't walk up to a woman in a bar and touch her anywhere and attempt to force her head towards my crotch and say its ok because I stopped when asked.

The statement was he put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals, then tried to force her head into his crotch. You seem to say that doesn't matter because you doubt the validity. Fortunately your belief in the claim isn't what makes it inappropriate. It's sexual assault. It also goes to lend credibility to the previously stated pattern of behavior by the other women.

I'd agree with you if he only verbally propositioned her. That would make him a douche as a married man but that would be all. If he took the actions stated it changes the ball game entirely.

 

[bobdole369]

You aren't free to take any action against another person up until you are advised to stop. I can't punch someone on the street and say it was ok because I stopped when they asked. I can't walk up to a woman in a bar and touch her anywhere and attempt to force her head towards my crotch and say its ok because I stopped when asked.

The statement was he put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals, then tried to force her head into his crotch. You seem to say that doesn't matter because you doubt the validity. Fortunately your belief in the claim isn't what makes it inappropriate. It's sexual assault. It also goes to lend credibility to the previously stated pattern of behavior by the other women.

I'd agree with you if he only verbally propositioned her. That would make him a douche as a married man but that would be all. If he took the actions stated it changes the ball game entirely.

All that you said is true regarding assault. I doubt its validity because there doesn't seem to be a corresponding action on her part. If somebody came up and touched my genitals and i didn't want it, there would be a police report.

I never said there was no assault, merely that I doubted that it happened that way and her account might be exaggerated, but these actions do not constitute harassment.

Also I believe the statement wasn't "he put his hand up my skirt and touched my genitals" it was:

"Instead of going in he suddenly reached over and put his hand on my leg, under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. I was surprised and shocked and I said, "What are you doing? You know I have a boyfriend. This is not what I came here for." Mr. Cain said, "You want a job, right?". I asked him to stop and he did. I asked him to take me back to my hotel which he did."

She didn't say "he touched my genitals" she said "reached for my genitals". It is an assault when you physically try and are rebuffed, battery when you make it. So we have a sexual assault here (allegedly of course) but no corresponding police action? This is political murder by media.

It also goes to lend credibility to the previously stated pattern of behavior by the other women.

If it were to go to trial in this country, any prior "behavior" regarding other women would not be admissible. Just saying:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/ACRule412.htm

 

[woolfe9999]

All that you said is true regarding assault. I doubt its validity because there doesn't seem to be a corresponding action on her part. If somebody came up and touched my genitals and i didn't want it, there would be a police report. I never said there was no assault, but these actions do not constitute harrassment.

He conditioned giving her a job on her giving him sexual favors. That is quid pro quo harassment.

 

[hal2kilo]

He conditioned giving her a job on her giving him sexual favors. That is quid pro quo harassment.

Yep, been in my annual corporate training on sexual harassment for at least 15 years. Don't you guys work for a big enough outfit that makes enough money to worry about being sued to already know this?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

All that you said is true regarding assault. I doubt its validity because there doesn't seem to be a corresponding action on her part. If somebody came up and touched my genitals and i didn't want it, there would be a police report. I never said there was no assault, but these actions do not constitute harrassment.

I don't find it surprising at all. Sexual assault is one of the most underreported crimes. There are many factors that lend to this. For this scenario the complete lack of any witness or corroborating evidence makes it even more understandable. She was also desperate for a job. It's not unreasonable to believe that she may have held off out of hope that she may actually still benefit from a referral.

That being said there are two sworn affidavits from people attesting that she divulged to them shortly after the incident that Mr. Cain acted in a sexually inappropriate way. That's going to be a hard thing to dismiss.

Had she just come out and made a claim with absolutely nothing to support it or anything to show she had divulged the incident people at the time I would probably have a very hard time giving it any credibility at all.

Let me ask this question. What's her motivation to lie at this point? Further to that what's the motivation of the two other individuals who completed sworn affidavits to lie at this point? They have stated there is no intention to seek any monitary gain from this at all.

 

[QuantumPion]

Apparently the woman has a history of bankruptcies, non-payment of bills, tax evasion, non-payment of loans from personal friends, and "gold-digging" (quote by her personal friend), and be fired by multiple employers. Also, her fiance and father never heard about her alleged abuse by Cain until she went to the media. Link.

 

[QuantumPion]

Republicans : Impeach Clinton, Back Herman Cain.

LOL

Republicans: Impeach politicians that are proven serial rapists. Back candiates which are demonized by unfounded allegations.

Democrats: Defend politicians that are serial rapists as long as they support issues you agree with legislatively. Destroy candidates which disagree with your political positions by any means necessary, including libel and slander.

 

[airdata]

Republicans: Impeach politicians that are proven serial rapists. Back candiates which are demonized by unfounded allegations.

Democrats: Defend politicians that are serial rapists as long as they support issues you agree with legislatively. Destroy candidates which disagree with your political positions by any means necessary, including libel and slander.

Republicans : Call Democrat a serial rapist for doing the same thing a republican candidate does who is surely being framed, assumes person pointing out the ironing is a democrat. Said " democrat" LOL's @ the idiocy.

 

[hal2kilo]

Apparently the woman has a history of bankruptcies, non-payment of bills, tax evasion, non-payment of loans from personal friends, and "gold-digging" (quote by her personal friend), and be fired by multiple employers. Also, her fiance and father never heard about her alleged abuse by Cain until she went to the media. Link.

Is this yet another she-bitch from hell out to destoy Herman? From a Washingto D.C. right wing skreed no less.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/fifth-woman-raises-questions-about-cains-behavior

 

[Ausm]

Republicans: Impeach politicians that are proven serial rapists. Back candiates which are demonized by unfounded allegations.

Democrats: Defend politicians that are serial rapists as long as they support issues you agree with legislatively. Destroy candidates which disagree with your political positions by any means necessary, including libel and slander.

Republicans back Politicians who bang hookers or bang their best friends wife you forgot to mention those. 😉


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