HERE'S A TIP! --> Stop tipping waiters and keep the money for yourself!

[Jerboy]

I never heard of cart boys getting tipped. The boy carries stuff to customer's car, load it into their trunk yet they get paid nothing extra.

Personally I'm not that lazy. I've enough guts to carry my own damn stuff and put the cart back to where it belongs instead of letting it about in the parking lot.

 

[daclayman]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I give a little nugget for ya'll to chew on:

I deliver pizza. If I see an address that has failed horribly and repeatedly on my 4-point system (time delay, gratuity, friendliness, location (think: strip bar <-----> sewage yard)), the system is a +1 0 -1 (don't get a -4), then they get the Supa-Freez. Yup, the pizza box comes outta the bag (i may nab some toppings if im hungry..) and I open the box and place it in front of my car's vents so that it may be quite cold once delivered. This address will always be 2nd, 3rd, (or hopefully 4th) on a run. Your (cold slab) will get there in 30 - 35 minutes cuz I'm good, so you'll be all happy. When you open the box to find cold shiz, you'll bitcxh about cold pizza. You call and complain but management has the delivery times so you get 1 free pizza and get put on the scammer list. Congrats. I'm not kidding. Also, I rate tips according to the system and (ahem) real estate value. If you live in da hood and score fairly, you will NOT be penalized. If you live in a 300K home and throw me a $1.50, you better score well on the the other 3 (location: hot 16yr old daughter)

da

 

[tcsenter]

<< who put the waiters/delivery boy on your payroll? It's not like you're withholding his paycheck... of course, you will argue that the regular pay is so bad that they depend...blah blah blah >>

Who put the waiters/delivery boy on your payroll? YOU DO! When you WITTINGLY enter the establishment of an industry that is KNOWN TO YOU as operating under the tipping concept. If you don't want to tip, or disagree with the concept, DON'T utilize these establisments and services.

You do NOT tip because the waiter 'doesn't get paid very well', tipping is NOT charity (although you can chose to be more or less 'generous' if you wish). Tipping is PAYMENT for services rendered. You are paying to receive that employee's labor and service. That is the system, that's how it works.

It is generally not 'mandatory' because it is an open-ended contract, so the waiter doesn't receive payment before the service is rendered, which disassociates the incentive to render services that meet or exceeds a customary and reasonable level of acceptance, to which the patron may tip accordingly. If you don't agree to this customary and long established business relationship between patron and establishment, stay home or go to Taco Bell instead.

 

[minendo]

<< uh... no thanks, i dont like to eat spittle... and anyway, have you ever worked as a waiter or delivery boy? they have to deal with assholes like you all the time... >>


Not to mention they depend on those tips as their payment.

 

[Jerboy]

<< You do NOT tip because the waiter 'doesn't get paid very well', tipping is NOT charity (although you can chose to be more or less 'generous' if you wish). Tipping is PAYMENT for services rendered. You are paying to receive that employee's labor and service. That is the system, that's how it works.

It is generally not 'mandatory' because it is an open-ended contract, so the waiter doesn't receive payment before the service is rendered, which disassociates the incentive to render services that meet or exceeds a customary and reasonable level of acceptance, to which the patron may tip accordingly. If you don't agree to this customary and long established business relationship between patron and establishment, stay home or go to Taco Bell instead. >>



I have known many restaurants that charge 15% mandatory gratuity on a table consisting of 7 or more people. This is screwed up. The wait -ers/-eresses can act up however they want and still collect the tip. There will be two or three waiters on such table and if one is acting like a slop, I'd probably leave a note with someone in charge saying "gratuity is for Shane and Claire, NOT for William who was a rude jerk".

You get paid by customers for serving them. You don't get tipped for satisfying your employer. We stiffed a lady at a Chinese restaurant once, because she lacked respect. We got the menu, started looking through and she says "What do you guys want?" in not so nice tone two minutes later. We told her we wren't ready and she came back in another five min? She said "ready yet?". I expect them to act more joyful and politely. I don't think she deserved tip. Do you think she does?

 

[PicPop]

i think there are lots of waiters in anantech...

 

[Amused]

<< I have known many restaurants that charge 15% mandatory gratuity on a table consisting of 7 or more people. >>



They do this because of people like the creator of this thread.

 

[Amused]

<< i think there are lots of waiters in anantech... >>



Well, since I've been the most vocal... Nope. I've never been a waiter, or in any proffession that gets tips. I have known my fair share of wait and bar staff though.

 

[tcsenter]

<< I have known many restaurants that charge 15% mandatory gratuity on a table consisting of 7 or more people. This is screwed up. The wait -ers/-eresses can act up however they want and still collect the tip. >>

In some cases, that 15% is not the waiter's, it goes to the house. There is some merit to putting 15% in the bill, and that is because larger parties utilize an inordinate share of the establishment's staff and other resources, staff that often is dedicated to that party alone and thus cannot be used to wait on the general public.

Just because the 15% gratuity may be added to the final bill, doesn't mean you cannot dispute it with the manager and receive some compensation if you receive unacceptable service.

 

[golfreak]

All you bitches that argue against tipping because of this and that.....it all comes down to this....YOU ARE JUST CHEAP BASTARD.
If you get good services, the servers deserve at least 15%.
Its that plain and simple !!!!

WHY ?? Because you live in the USA and its a custom to leave a 15%-20% for good services.
This system has been doing pretty well for the last few centuries so why are you so against it now ??

Eating out is a LUXURY and when you do, servers are there to make it the most pleasurable experience possible so when you do get good service, leave a good TIP.

Damm people who argue "well, the owners should pay more" or well, "people at Mickey D's don't get tip", its just an excuse to be CHEAP !!

Hell, get this through your thick heads..."In the US, Its customary to leave a decent tip when you get good service when dining in a US restaurant"
Whats so hard to understand ?

If you don't like the US tipping custom, eat at Mickey D's or move to Europe, we will all be better for it.

 

[Jerboy]

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If you don't like the US tipping custom, eat at Mickey D's or move to Europe, we will all be better for it. >>




ATOT waiters: Shut 'ya whining.

Extremely simple answer:
I leave or won't leave a tip. Whichever way I feel like it at the time. If you don't like the way it is, get a different job.

 

[PCPhreak]

Okay, I kinda felt the way that you all did about having to leave a tip until a little while ago. Being that I am still in high school, and I am into computers (a quite expensive interest I might add) I figured that I better get a job instead of always pumping my parents for cash. Well, the one place I decided to apply was at the commissary at our local military base. My father had retired several years back from the Marine Corps, so I still have base access.

Anyhoo, the store sells most items at cost, meaning a great savings for those fortunate enough to shop there. My job at the store is to bag groceries. Unlike out in town at Safeway or Foodland where people stop every several days for several items, most people go to the commissary once or twice a month to do thier major shopping. As most of them have young children, it would be a great burden to try and push 200-300 dollars worth of groceries to their car, while keeping track of two or three little ones.

So, nearly everyday after school, I go into work and bag people's groceries and carry (or push in most cases) their items to their car. Now, unlike most jobs that pay a minimum wage, I work for tips only. The average tip being 2-3 dollars, and the average order being around 150 dollars. That is about 2%. Now considering that with a 150 dollar order, people might save 20-40 dollars, tipping the bag boy a few bucks doesn't seem that bad, yet some people refuse to even say thank you, let alone tip us.

I don't want this to sound like I am greedy, and believe me, when it gets busy, I can bring home about 100 dollars in 6 or 7 hours, but when it is slow, things are pretty bad. On a slow day, taking out 2 orders per hour is good, and even when I get 2 dollars from each one, I am still below minimum wage (which I believe is 5.75 in Hawaii). Now I am not saying that I want everyone to break the bank tipping me, and I realive that many people are on fixed incomes, which is why they commissary is there in the first place, but this job has made me realize that tips mean a lot to people.

Even if you only tip a dollar or two, it still tells the person that you appreciate what they do for you, and that they do a good job of it. While I can't always afford to tip a waiter 15%, I do make it point to leave what I can, and make sure that whoever served me realizes how much their efforts are appreciated.

Just something to think about . . .

-Brian

 

[burnedout]

Amazing how a flamefest can result regarding the American tipping custom. A very old custom, I might add.

My ex-wife worked mostly as a waitress at the same Holiday Inn resturant at the Cumberland Gap, TN for many years. Although she wasn't the brightest light in the house, she knew a great deal about good food service practices. Over the years, she worked for $1.25 - $2.00 hr base pay plus tips.

When we would eat out at various resturants, she indicated to me whether the waiter or waitress was adding value to the overall dining experience or not. Even if the service was jacked-up, she typically insisted that we leave some kind of tip. We once left a quarter tip to a particularly rude waiter (made smartass remarks about my H-D T-shirt and bikers in general) in Nashville, TN. For really good waiters/waitresses, in addition to leaving a generous tip, she asked to speak to the manager or wrote a nice note in order to express our appreciation for the experience.

I'm in complete agreement with AmusedOne on this subject. Dining out is an experience and America has the widest variety of eating establishments of any country in the world. In otherwords, there exists choices. Should one desire not to partake of the atmosphere of a sit-down meal with service, there is always McDonalds, Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Bell, KFC, White Castle, Krystals, Jack-in-the-Box, Subway among many others. Just like anything else, normally the ferengi butt-heads who don't comply with an established American custom that was in place long before they were, will undoubtedly attempt to screw things up for rest of us.

 

[jjones]

The tipping system is in place, in nearly every instance, to augment the employee's salary. I agee with Amused One on what it would be like without a tipping sytem. In addition, a tipping system is particularly well-suited in places where you can directly pay for the service attention you desire. Go to a trendy restaurant or club and if you don't tip the maitre d' have fun getting a place to sit in a reasonable amount of time. You get what you pay for.

On the other hand, in a typical restaurant situation, leaving a sub-par tip is a perfect expression of what you think of the quality of service received. Personally, I like the tipping system and hope it never changes because the consumer can directly reward for services received.

 

[Amused]

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If you don't like the US tipping custom, eat at Mickey D's or move to Europe, we will all be better for it. >>




ATOT waiters: Shut 'ya whining.

Extremely simple answer:
I leave or won't leave a tip. Whichever way I feel like it at the time. If you don't like the way it is, get a different job. >>



As I said before, if you get acceptable service and do not leave a tip, you are morally and ethically guilty of theft of service. Do not be surprised if you encounter rude, and nasty attitudes and actions if you stiff the waitstaff at a particular restaurant one too many times.

BTW, I'm not a waiter. I'm a business owner. I never had to be a waiter to know how the system works.

Grow up.

 

[misterj]

<<

<< who put the waiters/delivery boy on your payroll? It's not like you're withholding his paycheck... of course, you will argue that the regular pay is so bad that they depend...blah blah blah >>

Who put the waiters/delivery boy on your payroll? YOU DO! When you WITTINGLY enter the establishment of an industry that is KNOWN TO YOU as operating under the tipping concept. If you don't want to tip, or disagree with the concept, DON'T utilize these establisments and services.

You do NOT tip because the waiter 'doesn't get paid very well', tipping is NOT charity (although you can chose to be more or less 'generous' if you wish). Tipping is PAYMENT for services rendered. You are paying to receive that employee's labor and service. That is the system, that's how it works.

It is generally not 'mandatory' because it is an open-ended contract, so the waiter doesn't receive payment before the service is rendered, which disassociates the incentive to render services that meet or exceeds a customary and reasonable level of acceptance, to which the patron may tip accordingly. If you don't agree to this customary and long established business relationship between patron and establishment, stay home or go to Taco Bell instead. >>



wow, so eloquently put, yet still is basically a load of bs. imagine a world where a prospective business owner thought, hey, lets rely on an open ended contract to increase revenue, i trust the people will pay accordingly! sounds great dont it!

gee that reminds me of microeconomics. whats the purpose of a company? to make profits. what does lowering the pay of an employee and having them rely on the public provide? more profit.

i still think the us custom of tipping is a load of crap unless someone has gone out of their way to treat me well and make me feel all gooey inside. no percentages- a tip should be based on the quality of service a waiter provides, not the size of the check the employer receives*








*now since im a sheep and dont like to be hated, i pay what society tells me to =P

 

[golfreak]

Actually, its you people who argue against the custom of tipping that are the whinny, cheap bastards.

No nobody said you HAVE to do anything but for good services, you SHOULD leave a 15-20% tip. That is customary."
And for bad services, then its your discrestion to do whatever.

"Aw geez, I live in the US, its such an awful place that when I go out to to a nice dinner and have servers wait on their hands and feet that I have to leave them a TIP afterward.....boo hoo"

Its obvious who's the one that is whinning.

How old are you whinners ?? 20's 30's ??
The tipping custom was in place before you were born.
Its not too late to move to another country for all the cheap bastards.

 

[KaBudokan]

Didn't bother reading the thread. I know all the arguments that the cheap dumbasses out there will say.

The reality of the situation is this:

I worked as a bartender from the time I was 18 until December of this past year - about 12 years. The last job I was at, I would pour about $3000+ of drinks on a busy night. This meant that I was busy all night long. The customers who took good care of me got waited on faster - it's as simple as that. Same with the waitresses that I would serve - a few of them didn't think they had to pay me the courtesy of tipping me out at the end of the night for pouring $1000 worth of drinks for them. They always waited while I took care of customers and the other girls.

Anyone who said they don't tip would wait a long time for a drink at my bar - not because I'm slow, but because I have better things to do.

 

[Gaard]

Waitresses tip the bartenders, too? I didn't know that.

 

[PlatinumGold]

This thread is RIDICULOUS. TIP or don't go to sit down restaurants. simple as that.

as Amused one has said OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again, if you receive service, as long as it's not BAD service, they deserve a tip.

as to the cheap bastich talking about taco bell, omfg, IT'S TACO BELL. wtf do you expect from them?

 

[KaBudokan]

<< Waitresses tip the bartenders, too? I didn't know that. >>


Yeah - every place I've worked at. Most places it's about 10%... It is basically more of a gesture than anything else. I'd make a lot more spending extra time with customers than pouring waitress drinks, but it's just a show of appreciation.

 

[killmeplease]

You're the guy who sends everything back and makes an a$$ out of himself in public by insulting us "working class". Right? You and your lousy $2.00 is not worth anybody's time

Your beef may be from that some call you cheap because some tip more or your outrage is that you are asked to give something out of sheer generosity. Either way, you're an a$$hole.

I'm sure I speak for many that started our working career by waiting/busing tables. "Get over it and do us all a favor by staying home".

 

[golfreak]

I serve part-time at Disney right now with school and everything.

As a server, you have to tip out a whole lot afterward.
In most places , you tip out your busser 2% and bartender 1%.

So lets say you had $1000 sales in a night(which is about the norm) and you get 15% from that.
Then thats $150 but you have to tip out $20(2%) and $10(1%) and you end up with $120 take home. This is not bad !!!
Sometimes servers even have to tip have food-runners if the restaurant have one.

Where I work, we have to tip out 20% of our tips to the bussers and 1% of the sales to the bartenders.
To avoid complicate math, if lets say I make $150, usually $30-35 go to the busser and $10 to the bar and I only get to keep about $100-110.
So where I work we tip out more than most places but then we do make more than most places.

That my friend is serving 101

BTW, I used to have the attitude that servers make entirely too much money that doesn't require skills(as in go to college and get a degree)
but its hard work.
You have to have a good attitude at all time or your guests will see it.
Sometimes you in a bad mood and don't want to talk but guess what ? you have to put on that happy face and keep your guests happy.
I see way too many people here thats been serving for 20+ yrs and they wish they were doing something else.

So if you're jealous at how much servers make, get a job as one. Its that simple.

 

[tcsenter]

Don't forget to tip the hostess. A good hostess can alternate the seating assignments, poor water or coffee, and help turn a table over, so that everything runs smoothly even on a busy night. Its all a big team effort, so I've even bought drinks for the kitchen crew at the end of the night. There is usually some 'tension' between the kitchen crew and wait staff, and buying them a round of drinks once a week can ease that tension.

On more than one occasion, a member of the kitchen crew went out of his way to do something special for me and it made a good impression on the customer which means I got a bigger tip, so I would slip $10 to that cook (gotta be discrete about it because we weren't supposed to be tipping the cooks and if the other cooks see you tip then they start wondering why you didn't tip them, too).

Of tips:

Bussers - 10 - 15%
Bar - 5%
Hostess - 5%

 

[Sachmho]

Yeah, i see where all this is coming from... i mean a TIP is supposed to be an extra thing as a reward... it is now almost mandatory... it is a little screwed up