Here's a question on piracy and Star Wars

Eeezee

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George Lucas has pretty much denounced his original trilogy. He prefers the new trilogy and all of the crazy changes he has made to the movies.

There are many groups on the internet that have converted the original trilogy on Laserdisc to DVD.

Would downloading these DVD conversions be considered immoral? Keep in mind, the original star wars trilogy is not available on DVD anywhere. As such, there only exist Laserdisc copies and slowly degrading VHS tapes.

Discuss, and try to leave flaming out of this, it's an honest discussion.
 

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
George Lucas has pretty much denounced his original trilogy. He prefers the new trilogy and all of the crazy changes he has made to the movies.

There are many groups on the internet that have converted the original trilogy on Laserdisc to DVD.

Would downloading these DVD conversions be considered immoral? Keep in mind, the original star wars trilogy is not available on DVD anywhere. As such, there only exist Laserdisc copies and slowly degrading VHS tapes.

Discuss, and try to leave flaming out of this, it's an honest discussion.


You are asking to be flamed. Ill start. Lucas never denounced the original trilogy. He has never said he prefers the new one.

Downloading is not immoral. Its illegal. Yes the original trilogy is on dvd and has been for the last 2 years, where have you been?

Your statements are 25% correct, which sucks. Try google. Flame out.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: OMoT
Originally posted by: Eeezee
George Lucas has pretty much denounced his original trilogy. He prefers the new trilogy and all of the crazy changes he has made to the movies.

There are many groups on the internet that have converted the original trilogy on Laserdisc to DVD.

Would downloading these DVD conversions be considered immoral? Keep in mind, the original star wars trilogy is not available on DVD anywhere. As such, there only exist Laserdisc copies and slowly degrading VHS tapes.

Discuss, and try to leave flaming out of this, it's an honest discussion.


You are asking to be flamed. Ill start. Lucas never denounced the original trilogy. He has never said he prefers the new one.

Downloading is not immoral. Its illegal. Yes the original trilogy is on dvd and has been for the last 2 years, where have you been?

Your statements are 25% correct, which sucks. Try google. Flame out.

You are mistaken. His edited trilogy with 10,000 updates is on DVD. The original trilogy is not.
 

waggy

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You are wrong. All 6 movies were sold on DVD from September - November this year.

the EDITED ones.


even though eh claimed htey were un-edited they were still had changes.
 

UberNeuman

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They released the OT without edits a couple months ago - but they're not anamorphic....:(
 

KillyKillall

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: KillyKillall
You are wrong. All 6 movies were sold on DVD from September - November this year.

the EDITED ones.


even though eh claimed htey were un-edited they were still had changes.

As well as the "NON-EDITED" ones.
 

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: OMoT
Originally posted by: Eeezee
George Lucas has pretty much denounced his original trilogy. He prefers the new trilogy and all of the crazy changes he has made to the movies.

There are many groups on the internet that have converted the original trilogy on Laserdisc to DVD.

Would downloading these DVD conversions be considered immoral? Keep in mind, the original star wars trilogy is not available on DVD anywhere. As such, there only exist Laserdisc copies and slowly degrading VHS tapes.

Discuss, and try to leave flaming out of this, it's an honest discussion.


You are asking to be flamed. Ill start. Lucas never denounced the original trilogy. He has never said he prefers the new one.

Downloading is not immoral. Its illegal. Yes the original trilogy is on dvd and has been for the last 2 years, where have you been?

Your statements are 25% correct, which sucks. Try google. Flame out.

You are mistaken. His edited trilogy with 10,000 updates is on DVD. The original trilogy is not.

You are mistaken. The original original trilogy has been out since September I think. I own it. No changes. No enhancements.

Although people bitched about those too, because the were TOO true to the originals, flaws and all. No enhanced video or audio or anything.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
They released the OT without edits a couple months ago - but they're not anamorphic....:(

There were still minor changes that they made from the conversion from laserdisc. That's right, the "unedited" versions were still edited, just not as much. Or at least a bunch of star wars nerds on a bunch of web sites seem to think so. I personally have not seen them.
 

ppdes

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Whoa, the version where Han shoots first is on DVD? I'd buy immediately if so...
 

Eeezee

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Here, I'm putting to rest this argument right now. The original unedited trilogy has not been released on DVD without weird edits that lucasarts put in for god knows what reason.

From wikipedia
2006 DVD release

On September 12, 2006, the original trilogy was re-released on DVD for a limited time (until December 31, 2006). Each film (Episodes IV, V, and VI) is packaged as a two-disc set with the first disc presenting the 2004 Special Edition with remastered THX sound and video and the second disc containing the "original, unaltered theatrical release" of each film as "bonus material".

These original editions are presented as they were first shown theatrically. For example, Star Wars has the 1977 opening scroll (before "Episode IV: A New Hope" was added and other adjustments made for the April 10, 1981 re-issue). Though the original features are presented in Dolby 2.0 Surround audio, the video transfer is derived not from original masters, but from the 1993 Laserdisc transfer (aside from the original Episode IV opening scroll taken from a best available original 1977 print), meaning that the film's 2.35:1 Panavision format is letterboxed into a non-anamorphic 4:3 video frame, even for widescreen television playback. [6][7]

Instead of using the original theatrical sound mixes, the "bonus" DVD presentations use the 1993 laserdisc remixes. However, the Spanish and French audio tracks on the Star Wars DVD appear to be based on the original theatrical mono sound mix for the film, not the Definitive Collection version. Certain sound effects from the 1993 mix are missing (such as all of the "exploding glass" sounds when Luke and Han blast the various cameras and such in the Death Star's detention center), and certain sounds have been added (such as metallic clicks when R2-D2 and Chewbacca press buttons on the Millennium Falcon's holographic chessboard). Luke Skywalker also says "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?" during the final battle on the alternate language tracks, something he only said in the theatrical mono mix. In all other versions of the film, he says, "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?"

The French and Spanish audio tracks for The Empire Strikes Back 2006 DVD also feature a different sound mix than the 1993 Definitive Collection mix. This alternate mix features additional sounds that were not heard on the 35mm and subsequent home video versions, but which were later reincorporated into the 1997 and 2004 mixes. Such sounds include additional R2-D2 beeps when Yoda rummages through Luke's supplies, which are missing from prior mixes, and additional TIE fighter engine sounds in the establishing shot of Darth Vader's Star Destroyer (after Luke Skywalker beheads the illusory Vader on Dagobah), which are missing from the prior sound mixes.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: ppdes
Whoa, the version where Han shoots first is on DVD? I'd buy immediately if so...

It's my understanding that yes, that version is on a bonus disc bundled with the special edition. But you'd better buy it soon, Lucasarts won't allow them to be sold retail after 2006 ends.
 

KillyKillall

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: ppdes
Whoa, the version where Han shoots first is on DVD? I'd buy immediately if so...

It's my understanding that yes, that version is on a bonus disc bundled with the special edition. But you'd better buy it soon, Lucasarts won't allow them to be sold retail after 2006 ends.

So what you have proven in this thread are the following things:

- Through searching on Wikipedia, you have proven yourself wrong because what you were looking for IS available commercially

- Since these are commercially available and you do not own these (meaning you're not backing up your owned version) - this would be illegal and immoral
 

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
George Lucas has pretty much denounced his original trilogy. He prefers the new trilogy and all of the crazy changes he has made to the movies.

There are many groups on the internet that have converted the original trilogy on Laserdisc to DVD.

Would downloading these DVD conversions be considered immoral? Keep in mind, the original star wars trilogy is not available on DVD anywhere. As such, there only exist Laserdisc copies and slowly degrading VHS tapes.

Discuss, and try to leave flaming out of this, it's an honest discussion.
um, you must have missed the memo:

they were released on DVD 2 months ago. I bought them and watched them.

as for your "ZOMG they've been teh edited" comments:

I'd rather them be in Dolby 2.0 than mono.

I also own the original VHS releases as well.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: KillyKillall
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: ppdes
Whoa, the version where Han shoots first is on DVD? I'd buy immediately if so...

It's my understanding that yes, that version is on a bonus disc bundled with the special edition. But you'd better buy it soon, Lucasarts won't allow them to be sold retail after 2006 ends.

So what you have proven in this thread are the following things:

- Through searching on Wikipedia, you have proven yourself wrong because what you were looking for IS available commercially

No, the original unedited trilogy is not available for sale. The bundled bonus discs of the "original trilogy" are still edited for whatever weird reason.


- Since these are commercially available and you do not own these (meaning you're not backing up your owned version) - this would be illegal and immoral

Again, they are actually not commercially available. They are very close to the original edition, but they're still different.
 

Marinski

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Lucas really screwed it up by making those silly changes. I'm actually looking for the actual trilogy minus changes on DVD, anybody know where i can get it?. I have the originals on VHS to compare or i can try converting those to DVD but the quality will probably be ******.
 

SoulAssassin

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I love it how people expect some random person on the internet to be their moral guidance. No one can decide for another if it is moral to do something. Personally, I'm very comfortable with d/ling the laserdisc rips off the net because I've paid for countless versions of the movies over the years, many many toys when I was growing up, and I'm generally pissed for I-III sucking so bad so if I want to d/l and watch that version then fvck it, I'm gonna do it. If Lucas doesn't like that then fvck him. Back to my point, if the OP is comfortable with pulling down the laserdisc version (or hell, even the dvd-rips of the recent versions) then that's up to the OP to decide.
 

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Here, I'm putting to rest this argument right now. The original unedited trilogy has not been released on DVD without weird edits that lucasarts put in for god knows what reason.

From wikipedia
2006 DVD release

On September 12, 2006, the original trilogy was re-released on DVD for a limited time (until December 31, 2006). Each film (Episodes IV, V, and VI) is packaged as a two-disc set with the first disc presenting the 2004 Special Edition with remastered THX sound and video and the second disc containing the "original, unaltered theatrical release" of each film as "bonus material".

These original editions are presented as they were first shown theatrically. For example, Star Wars has the 1977 opening scroll (before "Episode IV: A New Hope" was added and other adjustments made for the April 10, 1981 re-issue). Though the original features are presented in Dolby 2.0 Surround audio, the video transfer is derived not from original masters, but from the 1993 Laserdisc transfer (aside from the original Episode IV opening scroll taken from a best available original 1977 print), meaning that the film's 2.35:1 Panavision format is letterboxed into a non-anamorphic 4:3 video frame, even for widescreen television playback. [6][7]

Instead of using the original theatrical sound mixes, the "bonus" DVD presentations use the 1993 laserdisc remixes. However, the Spanish and French audio tracks on the Star Wars DVD appear to be based on the original theatrical mono sound mix for the film, not the Definitive Collection version. Certain sound effects from the 1993 mix are missing (such as all of the "exploding glass" sounds when Luke and Han blast the various cameras and such in the Death Star's detention center), and certain sounds have been added (such as metallic clicks when R2-D2 and Chewbacca press buttons on the Millennium Falcon's holographic chessboard). Luke Skywalker also says "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?" during the final battle on the alternate language tracks, something he only said in the theatrical mono mix. In all other versions of the film, he says, "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?"

The French and Spanish audio tracks for The Empire Strikes Back 2006 DVD also feature a different sound mix than the 1993 Definitive Collection mix. This alternate mix features additional sounds that were not heard on the 35mm and subsequent home video versions, but which were later reincorporated into the 1997 and 2004 mixes. Such sounds include additional R2-D2 beeps when Yoda rummages through Luke's supplies, which are missing from prior mixes, and additional TIE fighter engine sounds in the establishing shot of Darth Vader's Star Destroyer (after Luke Skywalker beheads the illusory Vader on Dagobah), which are missing from the prior sound mixes.

So from that article I gather that:
1. The Laserdisc sound mix is also not exactly the same as the theatrical version ("Instead of using the original theatrical sound mixes, the "bonus" DVD presentations use the 1993 laserdisc remixes.")
2. The DVD "originals" have slight, insignificant differences.
3. For some reason you think the altered laserdisc version is better than the altered DVD version, so you want the Laserdisc version instead? And it's not just because you don't want to pay George Lucas what he is due?

I too wanted the originals on DVD before they came out on DVD, so I actually started buying them on Laserdisc off eBay (so I could at least say I owned that version before I obtained the DVD transfers through illegitimate sources). I got Empire Strikes back and then heard that they were going to release them on DVD. I don't have a laserdisc player to play it in, but I have Empire Strikes Back on laserdisc. :D
 

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: ppdes
Whoa, the version where Han shoots first is on DVD? I'd buy immediately if so...

It's my understanding that yes, that version is on a bonus disc bundled with the special edition. But you'd better buy it soon, Lucasarts won't allow them to be sold retail after 2006 ends.

Lucasarts makes video games, Lucasfilm makes movies.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
I love it how people expect some random person on the internet to be their moral guidance. No one can decide for another if it is moral to do something. Personally, I'm very comfortable with d/ling the laserdisc rips off the net because I've paid for countless versions of the movies over the years, many many toys when I was growing up, and I'm generally pissed for I-III sucking so bad so if I want to d/l and watch that version then fvck it, I'm gonna do it. If Lucas doesn't like that then fvck him. Back to my point, if the OP is comfortable with pulling down the laserdisc version (or hell, even the dvd-rips of the recent versions) then that's up to the OP to decide.

I wouldn't fault you for that, because many people (myself included) bought the Special Edition DVD set ONLY because Lucas lied and said that the originals would NEVER be released on DVD.