Here we go: "ID cards weighed by Congress"

[badluck]

It doesn't matter what they do. If someone wants to blow up some place it's going to happen. I mean, we can carry cards with our fingerprints on them and they can infringe on our civil liberties all they want, there will still be terrorism if those wierdos want to do it badly enough.....

I'm willing to chip in and give up SOME rights, but I would definately have to more in-depth information.....

 

<< SammySon

>>>I will absolutly refuse an ID card in any manner, Im free, not cattle.<<<


Got a Social Security number?



Your cattle. >>



Too bad I was not alive to fight that.

And actually, I almost got the govt to stop taking SS out of my paychecks.
I did stop federal and state from taking money, but no go on the SS.

 

[wQuay]

<< You people amaze me. What is freedom? It's a state of mind, it's how you feel. >>




Agreed, but just because my (Christian) state of mind should be independent of physical circumstances DOES NOT mean I should allow myself to be hustled into a concentration camp.

 

[Ronstang]

You people are definitely paranoid. You already have a driver's license but you are not bitching about that. You already have a Social Security card and your not bitching about that. If your so worried about the government being able to track you then you better stop using your credit cards.

 

[burnedout]

Rogue is right.

If any of you have ever been in the armed forces since '95, they got your number. They have mine. DNA and all. Hell, my DNA code is on the back of my retiree ID card.

That being said........... yes, I love my freedom. I normally despise the idea of more government intervention.

But hey, we have a choice don't we? On one hand, we have the bleeding hearts who are content on allowing nearly unimpeded immigration into this country. One of the side effects of this nearly unimpeded immigration resulted in jet airliners converted into oversized cruise missiles.

It's so easy to get lost in this country. You wouldn't believe all the illegal aliens working here in Austin. They even have a little service to print up false social security cards.

On the other hand, we are at war. So, I understand the government's intent.

For those who say they are leaving if the governement institutes such measures, where will you go? Almost all of Europe has the same system. Russia maybe? I don't know about Australia, NZ or Canada. I'd say they do though.

 

<< You people are definitely paranoid. You already have a driver's license but you are not bitching about that. You already have a Social Security card and your not bitching about that. If your so worried about the government being able to track you then you better stop using your credit cards. >>



Liscense is not required. Nor are credit cards, and nor do I use them.

I do not need Big brother sticking its nose up my a$$ any more then it does now.

 

[compuwiz1]

What will be scarier is the time when identification is implanted at birth. :Q Can you imagine being bar or optically scanned for I.D. purposes? Your whereabouts being recorded at any given moment?

 

[NeoV]

Ok Sammy......you don't pay taxes, you don't use credit cards, and you drive(?) without a driver's license? What the heck kind of twisted paranoid world do you live in? Really, I don't get it at all...you live in Buffalo, which is a medium-sized city....I would have thought you were out in the Unibomber's now-abandoned shack....

Do you know your IP address can be used by your ISP to track all of your on-line activity?

Are you old enough to drive? Then yes, it is the law in this country that you must have and carry a license with you....tell your insurance company it isn't needed......wait, you probably don't bother with that either then, do you?

Do you have family? Boyfriend/girlfriend? Are they all as paranoid as you? Is this just some macho-revolutionary internet black lie, or your 'persona' on the net? I for one, would love to see you join the armed forces....just for a week....

 

[BoberFett]

Thankfully, people intent on terrorism will never find a way to create a fake ID smart card.

 

[xyyz]

<< Here.

If they want to keep biometric records and electronically track foreigners who enter the United States, that's fine. If they want to make a government issued ID card necessary for normal business transactions, I'll be the first to publicly burn mine and shoot any fed who wants to b|tch about it.

This event has literally turned the political landscape upside down. Remember Bush's proposal to grant citizenship to illegal aliens and work towards a more "open" border? Next they'll be using the army for border patrol.




<< Terrorism is a political act, performed for political objectives. The general aim of terrorism is to force changes in the targeted society through the shock value of the crime committed. Therefore, if we make radical changes in how our country operates, the bad guys win. We do not want that to happen. Whoever planned this operation is watching us right now, and they are probably having a pretty good laugh. We can't stop that. What we can do is to maintain that which they most hate, which is a free society. We've worked too hard to become what we are, and we can't allow a few savages to change it for us. >>



-Tom Clancy >>




That was one of Buchanan's main campaign points... utilizing military guards on the US borders....

 

[badluck]

BoberFett:

Excellent thought.....

 

[Linux23]

<< Can anyone say 1984?....it's just making a fashionably late entrance.

I was waiting for the gov't to use this to their advantage to take, yet more privacy away from us.

I wear an picture ID badge at work, that must be showing at all times......soon I will need one to walk down the street.
Why not just stamp it on my forehead or my hand and make it where I could not buy or sell anything unless I was marked? OOOOhhhhhhh, that would be bad, huh, imagine that. >>



hehe, the good old bible prophecy is coming true, eh???

and Bober has a great point.

 

[doublec16]

Drivers licenses are so people can prove they have passed a driving test. SS numbers are for getting a job and paying taxes. Credit cards are for buying things. If there is a new card made for the sole purpose of tracking people, that would be fundamentally different from any of the aforementioned forms of ID. I think it's bad enough that you have to give your SSN to get a phone line or cable TV. You certainly don't have to give your Social Insurance number to everyone and their dog in Canada. It's nobody's business, unless you are given a job, and then it's just for tax purposes. People in this country (USA) have little enough privacy to begin with. I'd prefer not to give Big Brother another way to watch me. If I am singled out as a foreigner (Canadian) living in the US to have to carry around one of these cards, you can bet I'll not be contributing to this society for long. I don't see how it makes anyone more safe to have someone watching my every move, when the potential lawbreakers go around with fake IDs anyway.

 

[NeoV]

Before I read another X-files junkie tell me how the government is going to be tracking all of us with id cards, all I have to say is this......

Do you really think they would have their people and computer resources wasted on tracking each and every one of us? Do you? The answer is no. Criminals, people under suspiscion for a variety of things, crime investigations, etc.....be a good citizen and I really doubt they will be saying "Hey, we better check out this guy, he has an internet connection, and it looks like he has some mp3's! Lets follow him!"

Would that really be so bad? Would you be willing to do that if it made the likelyhood of another Sept 11 even a little less likely? Wouldn't it be worth it?

And double, if you are a Canadian citizen living here, please don't complain...you can always go home!

 

[doublec16]

<< And double, if you are a Canadian citizen living here, please don't complain...you can always go home! >>

How did I know someone would tell me to go home? I wasn't really complaining, just making an observation. You Americans sure know how to make someone feel welcome!

 

[BoberFett]

NaiV

<< Would that really be so bad? Would you be willing to do that if it made the likelyhood of another Sept 11 even a little less likely? Wouldn't it be worth it? >>

People who spent years preparing for this one day aren't going to let a little thing like an ID card stop them.

If technology can create it, technology can get around it.

 

[jkersenbr]

<<<<<Do you really think they would have their people and computer resources wasted on tracking each and every one of us? Do you? >>>>

Ever hear of Echelon or Carnivore? They are doing it now to telephone conversations and even the British have acknowleged these programs. The only people who deny it are uninformed (or in denial) citizens and the US government.

The resources already in place to monitor commuciation media would have to be equally if not more complicated that ID card tracking technology would be.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrups absolutely. The more power the government has over us the more corrupt it will become. Do they really need more?


<<<<<What is freedom? It's a state of mind, it's how you feel>>>>>
A mindless emotional argument. How can reason even attempt to refute this as those who resort to emotion do not live on a level of logic and reason? Emotions are like the wind - subject to change.

Uncontested slavery could be defined as freedom (or peace, BTW); so long as the slave "feels" free. If you wish to live as a slave, then go somewhere else. Don't ruin this country for the rest of us. Hopefully some people are left which understand the difference between true Liberty and "feeling free".

(spelling corrected)

 

[Fausto]

*cough1984BIGBROTHERISWATCHINGcough*

While I firmly believe we need to make some changes to national security, using last week's events as and excuse to escalate spying on our own citizens is disgusting.

Fausto

 

[SpongeBob]

Bober has made two excellent points.

 

[lo5750ul]

Have any of you heard of Menwith Hill?

If you have a passport, birth certificate, Social Security number, driving license, bank account, credit card, store card, high school diploma, medical records, dental records, telephone line, internet access, cable/satellite television, etc etc etc then there are files with information about you. The government already can find vast amounts of information regarding every citizen in this country. An ID card would just reduce the governments resource and cost overhead when they wanted to find out some information about an individual.

Regarding Menwith Hill, it is the largest electronic monitoring station in the world. It is one of at least 10 such stations around the world. Every electronic communication around the world has been monitored by this Echelon network since the 1950's. This includes telephone conversations, faxes, e-mail, etc.

If the government wants to find out about you they can.

I agree with Franklin's statement.

 

[shifrbv]

Would you be willing to do that if it made the likelyhood of another Sept 11 even a little less likely? Wouldn't it be worth it?

I think the whole thing is BS. Are people already forgetting that those who committed these acts got in the country legally? Even if they had had ID cards, they still would have gotten in because there was nothing illegal about their entry. Ashcroft has been on TV numerous times saying that there are probably alot more of them around the country. How did they get in? The American embassies in their countries granted them access with no problem and they cleared INS with no problem. They are all legal.

It was strictly an intelligence failure. Providing government more information won't make one bit of difference in our effort against terrorism if they're not doing their jobs in the first place.

I would maybe support everyone having a passport (not an enhanced passport with smart card capability, but only one like we have now) because I think more Americans should travel around the world and gain the knowledge that comes with that experience, but not a national ID card. It's not necessary.

 

[novon]

multipass!