Here we go: "ID cards weighed by Congress"

[wQuay]

Here.

If they want to keep biometric records and electronically track foreigners who enter the United States, that's fine. If they want to make a government issued ID card necessary for normal business transactions, I'll be the first to publicly burn mine and shoot any fed who wants to b|tch about it.

This event has literally turned the political landscape upside down. Remember Bush's proposal to grant citizenship to illegal aliens and work towards a more "open" border? Next they'll be using the army for border patrol.




<< Terrorism is a political act, performed for political objectives. The general aim of terrorism is to force changes in the targeted society through the shock value of the crime committed. Therefore, if we make radical changes in how our country operates, the bad guys win. We do not want that to happen. Whoever planned this operation is watching us right now, and they are probably having a pretty good laugh. We can't stop that. What we can do is to maintain that which they most hate, which is a free society. We've worked too hard to become what we are, and we can't allow a few savages to change it for us. >>



-Tom Clancy

 

[Semper Fi]

Scary stuff.

We would be living in a completely different country.

 

[mithrandir2001]

No surprise that Gephardt is behind this...he loves government control.

 

[gopunk]

well that's interesting... i doubt it'll ever happen though. at least not for citizens.

 

[wQuay]

<< well that's interesting... i doubt it'll ever happen though. at least not for citizens. >>



It will only happen if we let it happen. Hence this thread

 

[Pikachu]

"The general aim of terrorism is to force changes in the targeted society through the shock value of the crime committed."

That's true, but this isn't the type of change they're looking for. If we implant a micro-chip in everyone's neck in the whole country, but continue to fund Israel, they're NOT going to be laughing. Trading off liberty for security... we're already doing that. Everybody's bitching that we got caught with our pants down. This is one solution.

I'd like to suggest that the card be made optional. Those with the card blow through check points in seconds, others are subjected to long grueling searches and background checks. That sounds about fair.

 

[ShadowHunter]

Bad bad bad bad idea. If we as a nation have required ID cards just for normal operations, I'm leaving. I don't give a phuck about anything else, but that amount of governmental control/monitoring is just absurd. Figures that Dick-head Gephardt is behind this totally communist idea.

 

[KameLeon]

<< Congress is considering requiring all citizens and non-citizens to carry identity cards. Those might be ?smart cards? storing data such as fingerprints and travel records. Congressional leaders are also discussing tight limits on granting visas to enter the United States and a system of tracking those who are admitted. >>


Honestly, I did not read the whole article. But I don't see anything wrong with this.. It doesn't say anything about "tracking".

 

[aUt0eXebat]

sounds cool

 

Sounds cool?

Hah, next thing you will need is a damned barcode tattooed across your wrist.
HEH.

I will absolutly refuse an ID card in any manner, Im free, not cattle.

 

[Wallydraigle]

<< Honestly, I did not read the whole article. But I don't see anything wrong with this.. It doesn't say anything about "tracking". >>



They never do. Has Congress ever done something and then said, "Now, we are going to implement this and there's really not much you can do about it. We are going to use it to watch your every move and track you and you children wherever you go. Just thought you should know...". Of course not. It's always to dampen crime or to "help the children" or now to stop terrorism. If this happens we will just be trading one set of terrorists for another.

 

[jkersenbr]

The government is attempting to use this entire situation to sieze more civil liberties from the citizens. The ID cards are just one way.

After listening to Ashcroft, I don't know if we will have a Bill of Rights before long.

Since there are too many citizens willing to blindly forfeit their freedom for some emotional sense of perceived safety, the government will likely succeed in it's endeavor to obtain more power from the citizens.

The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. -- Benjamin Franklin




(edited for spelling)

 

[NeoV]

thats right...the government wants to do everything for us......NOT!

All of you who are crying about carrying a frickin id card...check out your own Driver's license!!! You have to have that with you, right?

All everyone wants to do is complain........look...things are not like they used to be, nor will they ever be again....people in other countries have lived and continue to live with hardships that we cannot even imagine, but you guys get in a big tizzy when someone mentions that you might have to carry an id card...

If you don't like it, please leave....your complaining is getting sooo old.

 

[Mday]

<< Congress is considering requiring all citizens and non-citizens to carry identity cards. >>



but, we kinda have to to that already.

ppl have to carry around ID. i mean, i can't even get a dept store credit card without a driver's license. i can't buy cigs or beer without ID. these are state issued things, and you're complaining about that when it's made federal?

the smart card dealie does intrude upon our right to privacy, and is unconstitutional, pertaining to admendment 4 i believe.

during times of crisis, the supreme court has upheld TEMPORARY initiatives which reduces our liberties. BUT anything that is truly unconstitutional, like that smart card IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, will NOT be made into law, easily contested etc.

if congress wants to amend amd 4, it's going to be a big problem, and won't get passed either halves of congress.

 

[Ylen13]

i don't see it happen.However if it does happen u can be sure that i'm gona one of many of thousand of people that gona be suing the goverment on the claim that the law is unconstitutional.

 

[Tripleshot]

SammySon

>>>I will absolutly refuse an ID card in any manner, Im free, not cattle.<<<


Got a Social Security number?



Your cattle.

 

[datalink7]

<< The government is attempting to use this entire situation to sieze more civil liberties from the citizens. The ID cards are just one way. >>



Listen to yourself. You are acting like it is some kind of conspiracy. The governemnt isn't trying to use the situation to take away our rights. They are just trying to do what they believe is the right thing to do. Just because they are wrong doesn't mean that their whole goal is to take away citizens rights.

 

[351Cleveland]

Let me get this right - The Federal Government wants all citizens to carry a personal identification card? Thsi card could store fingerprint data, travel information, etc... right? HELL NO!

 

[jkersenbr]

I'm sure the skyjackers(sp?) thought they were doing the right thing in some perverted way as well.

But it sure looks like they were just trying to kill thousands of people to everyone else.

In either case the results speak for themselves. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Read the quote in my post. I think we as a nation would be wise to take Franklin's advice.

 

[Rogue]

I hope none of you ever join our Armed Forces then! Not only has this been done, but it's been done for years in all the branches. Hell, in '95 when I went in, they took DNA samples from me in the event that little tiny pieces of me are all that's left after my HMMWV get's nailed by a land mine, they can still tell my parents that, "Yep, your son, what's left of him anyway, is definitely dead. Sorry sir or m'am."

They got my fingerprints, my DNA, my social, my life pretty much. Anyone try to get onto a military installation recently? Good luck unless you have a DoD ID Card of some kind.

 

[StageLeft]

I'm not really so sure what real impact it will have on freedoms. I think a lot of the stuff to do with these has to do with tracking non-citizens and aliens especially. As a canadian living in US now I personally have no problem with this as long as its not too out of hand. I don't do anything illegal anyway and expect that I'd never have any practical awareness of it.

 

[Mday]

you know, when i read the title, i thought they were weighing cards to make sure they were real...

 

[Mday]

if you're in NYC, and you use a metrocard, anywhere you go with that card can be stored =P

anyway, i am not opposed to identification. storing traveling information is unconstitutional. though some data is already stored if you go anywhere requiring a passport.

i am iffy about the fingerprint thing. i carry those whereever i go, so... but having it stored... well, i think that's a bit over the edge. fingerprints can be doctored anyway, yes they can be.

 

[bunker]

You people amaze me. What is freedom? It's a state of mind, it's how you feel. Just because you carry around an ID card doesn't make you "not free". All I've heard is bitching here and not one good argument other than "It's my constitutional right!".

I work for the gov't and have been fingerprinted and what not, do I feel "not free"? No. The FBI probably has a file on just about every person in this country, do I care? No. Why should I? They're not intruding on my everyday life, would they be intruding on yours?

Edit - Oh and on the travel thing, you don't think they could find out every where you've ever been on a trip, vacation etc..? You're living in a fantasy world if you think not.

 

[Zwingle]

Can anyone say 1984?....it's just making a fashionably late entrance.

I was waiting for the gov't to use this to their advantage to take, yet more privacy away from us.

I wear an picture ID badge at work, that must be showing at all times......soon I will need one to walk down the street.
Why not just stamp it on my forehead or my hand and make it where I could not buy or sell anything unless I was marked? OOOOhhhhhhh, that would be bad, huh, imagine that.