Here we go again: Why are Adults SO very much Less accepting to gay relationships then teens?

[chuckieland]

as long as they keep their business, i have no problem with it

 

[JupiterJones]

I have asked around and found that most of my friends, and others in my school / area are open to the fact that homosexuality exists and we really don't mind it. but I ask the same of adults and get a very different response, ex: its wrong, sick, a sin

Adults know more, have more life experience, and a better perspective.

 

[Pepsi90919]

<< Way to generalize, jackass!

Remember kids, if you don't have the facts, make something up! >>

that's the american way!

 

[Moonbeam]

PastorDon, perhaps you can tell me then what it means to say, except as you be a little child you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[narzy]

I apoligize if the statement is too broad, I tried not to get that effect, I should say more adults then teens that I personally talk to have a different point of view. good point the the in hole out hole issue its actually is an issue with people that have lots of butt rumpage may have issues with retaining the waste...

 

[narzy]

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<< also where in the bible does it say people of the same sex who love each other is wrong, or is a sin? we reviewed the bible on it and found nothing too relevent to the topic nothing saying it was a flat out sin. >>



Your 'ex-pastor' is smoking crack. Neither you nor anyone else has to accept the Bible as being correct - you can make your own choices.... However, from a strictly religious point of view, there is absolutely positively no doubt that the Bible clearly says homosexual sex is a sin, a deadly sin at that. For one, any sex outside the bounds of marriage is in itself fornication, a deadly sin. Since the Bible also indicates that marriage is the binding of a man and a woman in the eyes of God, it doesn't recognize anything about a man-man or woman/woman or man/dog or whatever marriage. That would mean that by default, all homosexual sex is a deadly sin. Now, in theory someone could be gay without engaging in sex, which would not be a sin. All this new-age religion BS where they're trying to make religion "politically correct" is sickening. There's a new "gender neutral" Bible in the works where basically the scriptures are altered to fit current political views. Sigh...

I'm certainly not a Bible thumper or overly religious -- I personally could not care less about what people do in their own privacy, and I don't believe in any government intervention (legislative or otherwise) to try and impose morality. Let people do as they see fit for their own lives. That doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it, it just means everyone can make decisions for their life and lead it according to their standards, so long as they don't negatively impact others. >>



thanks for the comments however you did not state where in the bible it said such fact...

 

[JupiterJones]

PastorDon, perhaps you can tell me then what it means to say, except as you be a little child you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Moonbeam,
Great to hear from you again.

What Jesus said was "Whosever shall not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."

If you associate the kingdom of God with Salvation, then it has been suggested that this means innocence, humility, lack of self-consciousness, receptivity and truthfulness. However, not all children share these characteristics.

The main point of comparison probably is the insignificance, weakness, helplessness and dependency shared by children in ancient society. If you talk to people who have accepted Christ as their Savior, you will realize this is exactly the state they found themselves in relation to Sin.

What does this have to do with the question posed in this post?

Don

 

[littlegohan]

<< I personally have no problem with gayness, bisexuality, ect...My only rule is don't tell me about it...your life is your buisness, not mine kind of deal. why can't others be accepting of the fact that it exists, and that its not the cause of the worlds problems. yes perhaps some of the acts gay and lesbians do behind closed doors are what some may call disturbing disgusting ect..., don't a lot of people do the same to their significant other? butt rumping right?

why must other people go out of their way to tell others how wrong they are, how this is this way...and your way is sick ect...I mean really their way is their way and your way is your way and my way is my way...

also where in the bible does it say people of the same sex who love each other is wrong, or is a sin?

what brings the teen aspect into this is in my personal experience as a well bonified teen, I have asked around and found that most of my friends, and others in my school / area are open to the fact that homosexuality exists and we really don't mind it. but I ask the same of adults and get a very different response, ex: its wrong, sick, a sin (from some religous types) but not all religous people belive that its a sin, ex: my ex-pastor and I had a long discussion on the issue, and he is as accepting of it as anyone, we reviewed the bible on it and found nothing too relevent to the topic nothing saying it was a flat out sin. I have since lost faith, and fallow my own little scheme, I did this for many reasons, one being all the crap that has happened in my life, if it is "god" "testing" my faith I want no part of it .

all in all its your opinion and even though I personally might not like it, it is your to have. >>




You said you accept homosexuality. Let me ask you a question. Do you want your childeren to be gay?
If you say no, than obviously you dont accept gay, and thus you have no rights to criticize other people view on how we should treat gay people.

 

[IGBT]

I wonder how many of these purveyors of risk are all ready HIV positive or have full blown AIDS and are simply looking for hospice partners?? :Q

 

[Viper GTS]

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also where in the bible does it say people of the same sex who love each other is wrong, or is a sin?
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leviticus chapter 20 or so? in my "good news bible: todays english version" i recieved from the UCC in sixth grade, it says "a man cannot have sexual relations with another man; god hates that"

heh, one of my more religious friends showed me that.. i was surprised. >>



Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

The short & simple answer.

That having been said, although I believe it to be wrong I really don't care what people do in their bedrooms. Don't expect me to give you my stamp of approval (why you want it so badly I do not know, as my opinion really has no eternal consequence), but if you keep it out of my face I won't bother you.

BTW, I am a teenager (although only for four more months).

Viper GTS

 

[narzy]

do I want my childern to be gay? I want my childern to belive in themselves and accept who they are, gay or strait, because I will do the same. I would also like to point out, I do not plan on having childern...

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Teens are driven only by theyre hormones, thats why everything seems "OK" to them. Teenage Philosophy="If it feels good, do it"....come to think of it thats the Liberal Philosophy also

 

<< . yes perhaps some of the acts gay and lesbians do behind closed doors are what some may call disturbing disgusting ect..., >>


And on the other hand, to them, heterosexual sex is disgusting and disturbing



<< Remember kids, if you don't have the facts, make something up! >>


No offence, but you prove his point well.



<< Well, I'm over 50, and when I was a teen gay was something you got thrown in jail for, lost your job, got banned from the family etc. Gay was for remote types like theater people (who were also not respected), foreigners, commies, New York City folks, etc. >>




<< The 50's were a stupid time to grow up. >>


Exactly.



<< Amused;

"All generalizations are false including this one" Cute, I presume you mean that the generalization that all generalizations are false is false.

The rule is that there are exceptions to all geralizations except this one. >>


Thank you. We call that "smack down" over here.



<< If you associate the kingdom of God with Salvation, then it has been suggested that this means innocence, humility, lack of self-consciousness, receptivity and truthfulness. However, not all children share these characteristics. >>


More children then adults share thoes characteristics, if anything thoes values are lost as age insues.



<< Teens are driven only by theyre hormones, thats why everything seems "OK" to them. Teenage Philosophy="If it feels good, do it"....come to think of it thats the Liberal Philosophy also >>


I really hope you're not serious.

 

[jhu]

it's because all homophobic adulst are gay. didn't you watch american beauty?

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Narzy -

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." - Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:13

Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Genesis 19:1-29

 

[Amused]

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<< Amused;

"All generalizations are false including this one" Cute, I presume you mean that the generalization that all generalizations are false is false.

The rule is that there are exceptions to all geralizations except this one. >>


Thank you. We call that "smack down" over here. >>

 

[gopunk]

You said you accept homosexuality. Let me ask you a question. Do you want your childeren to be gay?
If you say no, than obviously you dont accept gay, and thus you have no rights to criticize other people view on how we should treat gay people.

that has to be one of the worst points i have ever seen made. would i want my child to be religious? no. so, according to your logic, if some people go around saying that religion is wrong, and we should put religious people in "re-education" camps, i have no right to criticize that? get a f*cking clue and realize that there is a difference between liking a behavior, and recognizing the fundamental right to engage in that behavior.

 

[Moonbeam]

PastorDon, you said: Adults know more, have more life experience, and a better perspective. Just wanted to ompare that in light of what would be your answer to my question about children and the kingdom of heaven..

 

[Amused]

<< Narzy -

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." - Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:13 >>



Anyone here using Leviticus as their guide:

Are you aware of ALL the rules laid down by Leviticus? Do you follow the rest of the rules in Leviticus? If not, why is this one more important than the others?

If you insist that gay men follow the Holiness Code of Leviticus, then you must yourself uphold all the Levitical laws consistently. The Code of Leviticus clearly prohibits eating pork, lobster, shrimp, oysters, or rare meat. Are you going to insist with as much vigor and righteousness that sea food restaurants and groceries be shut down? Leviticus also prohibits the wearing of mixed fabrics, and intercourse during the menstrual period. The Code commands that all people who have committed adultery must be killed. Please do not pick out one law from Leviticus to judge others without being willing yourself to uphold every other law delivered in this book.

Sooooo, I think we can safely discard all of Leviticus, since the "gay" rule is the only one any Christian is willing to follow, i.e., throw in other's faces.

As for Romans, I can't wait until someone tells me a valid reason why Paul's words are even IN the bible, much less why his words are more important in the church than those of Jesus.

 

[gopunk]

i really think it's just some generational differences... how people are raised etc. i'm sure you can find similar examples, with blacks and whites, men and women, and stuff in this country... sometimes it just takes a while for change to occur.

 

[Skail]

Well, what an interesting thread for someone like myself to stumble upon. I'm bisexual. I don't think that God is going to strike me down for it, because after all I'm an atheist! It's really an interesting combination.

Now of course, I know that people won't like me for it. I don't tell very many people. My parents don't know and don't need to, because I never intend to have any sex with anyone of either gender. I'm not sitting here thinking that people should accept me, I don't make faces and mutter to myself or argue when I hear people saying "Oh, that show was so gay" or "You homo! Get away!" because I don't expect people to accept that. I'm a very strange kind of person all around; I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion as far as what they think is right or wrong. I don't think there's anything wrong with things like racism, just don't run around offending people and kill people over your belief, and don't discriminate people when you know there's laws against it. Of course that's another thing altogether.

I really don't think people like myself should have special rights, because then the whole idea of a "straight club" and a "gay club" will be lost. You'll have to ask someone their sexuality before you talk to them, and it just won't work. Also, I could not imagine all the feminine men and masculine women taking advantage of their rights and really pissing people off.

I'm just going to submit this before anyone sees the screen.

 

[DanFungus]

my dad hates all gay people, and he gets disgusted when he hears about them. Not *all* parents agree.....

 

[Double Trouble]

<< thanks for the comments however you did not state where in the bible it said such fact... >>



I can probably get you a loooooong list with all the passages that talk about it, but that's what google is for. If you want to find more, go check out google, or better yet, grab an actual Bible and read through it. That way you never have to go by what someone else's reading or interpretation is, you can read it for yourself.

For starters:


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1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." >>



Note that it says every man should have his own wife, and every woman her own husband -- not a husband and a husband or wife and wife.

The sin of fornication is not only defined as illicit sexual intercourse between those who are not married but also is an umbrella for other sexual sins as well. The Bible also speaks of the sin of incest as fornication in

<< 1 Corinthians 5:1: "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife." >>





<< Revelation 21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. >>



Again, you don't have to believe the Bible at all, that's up to each person to decide. But if you choose to believe the Bible, there is absolutely no doubt that any kind of homosexual activity is an 'abomination' against God and therefore a sin. Period.

 

[Skail]

Well, what I was trying to say didn't come out right. What I mean is...

Ultimately, nothing is right or wrong; it is simply a matter of opinion. A good example would be Hitler. He was so messed up that he went and tried to take over the world, and brought about the deaths of fourteen million people. That's a scary thing. However, you cannot sit in your computer chair and actually reply with a flame telling me that he was a sick bastard and that what he did was wrong, because he thought that he was right and doing a favor to the world. What is popular is not always right; what is right is not always popular, goes a saying I heard. Just because everyone over here hates Osama for smashing the twin towers doesn't mean that he was such a terrible person. Not everyone think's he's a sick criminal mastermind. Things happen, deal with it.

Which comes back to the idea of homosexuality. I'm a bi guy and I'm not an activist yelling that what I am is perfectly natural. There will be gay people and there will be straight people. If you don't like people of the same gender having sex, stop watching porno with lesbians in it. There will be homosexuals in the world, and you're going to have to adjust your state of mind accordingly. We cannot sit in this thread and post at each other over something that is not even a fact.

 

[Yeeny]

<< I'm an adult and I could care less who people wanna have sex with >>



I have to agree, except I feel the need to add "unless its with me."