Here we go again: Why are Adults SO very much Less accepting to gay relationships then teens?

[Brutuskend]

Basically because we were raised to think it was wrong. And though I try and be tolerant of other peoples beliefs and life style choices, I would raise any child of mine to think the same. (but be tolerant at the same time)

I think there are several reasons why some people are gay. Sometimes it's physical or mental in as much as their X & Y chromosomes are not balanced quite right. Sometimes it's experiences they have had with the opposite sex that drove them to being that way. Sometimes it's experiences they had growing up in a dysfunctional family. And sometimes (sad but I think true) it's because some see it as a way to rebel, and because it's viewed as "cool" in some circles to be gay or bi.

Although I'd like to be able to accept every ones choices in life, this has been something I have struggled with for years. And no matter how I rationalize things in my mind, I don't think I can ever totally except gay relationships in the same way I can "normal" ones.

In my younger days, while in the service in So. Ca., I was approached quite often by gay men. And in my experience most of them where what I would consider OK people. I would tell them "No, I'm NOT interested" and they would leave me alone. A few however were NOT OK. And by not OK I mean anyone who tries to convince someone to "switch teams" is NOT OK in my book! Luckily I never got myself in a situation I couldn't get out of, but there were a few times I was worried!

I'm sure that the experiences I had during this time shaped my outlook to some extent. Whether my outlook is now better or worse I can't say. But I can say this. Just because someone has their own sexual preferences, does not make it right for everyone. And to try and force or in anyway influence that preference on another is WRONG!

Maybe some people can't help who they are attracted to for whatever reason. I'm still attracted to the same kind of women I was when I was in my 20's. This I can't really help. But I would never try and convince someone that wasn't attracted to ME that they should be!!

 

[LAUST]

I don't care myself

 

[Amused]

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<< thanks for the comments however you did not state where in the bible it said such fact... >>



I can probably get you a loooooong list with all the passages that talk about it, but that's what google is for. If you want to find more, go check out google, or better yet, grab an actual Bible and read through it. That way you never have to go by what someone else's reading or interpretation is, you can read it for yourself.

For starters:


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1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." >>



Note that it says every man should have his own wife, and every woman her own husband -- not a husband and a husband or wife and wife.

The sin of fornication is not only defined as illicit sexual intercourse between those who are not married but also is an umbrella for other sexual sins as well. The Bible also speaks of the sin of incest as fornication in

<< 1 Corinthians 5:1: "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife." >>





<< Revelation 21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. >>



Again, you don't have to believe the Bible at all, that's up to each person to decide. But if you choose to believe the Bible, there is absolutely no doubt that any kind of homosexual activity is an 'abomination' against God and therefore a sin. Period. >>



Again, even if one was to believe in Christianity and Jesus in particular, there is NO reason they should take the word of Paul as the word of the Christian God or Jesus.

In fact, in this whole thread, I've seen the word of Levitican priests, and Paul, but not one mention of Jesus. Curious, no?

 

[luv2chill]

<< what brings the teen aspect into this is in my personal experience as a well bonified teen, I have asked around and found that most of my friends, and others in my school / area are open to the fact that homosexuality exists and we really don't mind it. but I ask the same of adults and get a very different response, ex: its wrong, sick, a sin (from some religous types) >>

What you have here is a perfect example of shifting attitudes amongst generations... and thank god for it too.

You could have made the same observations in the 1950s in the south, where many kids had no problem with integration but all adults were upset about "filthy awesome people" being allowed to school with their angelic white kids.

What's funny to me (and highly ironical) are the religious zealots, who spew a vicious condemnation of the abomination that is homosexuality... blaming it for society's ills and stating things like "God hates fags", while in their everyday lives commit the other biblical sins and abominations as if they have free license.

It's sad that Jesus' ultimate message gets lost amongst many (dare I say most) Christians. Love one another... that's the crux.

l2c

 

[XMan]

I'm bisexual . . . Now of course, I know that people won't like me for it.

What I wonder, is do people really hate people because they are gay? I have known gay people that I liked because they were cool, and I have known gay people I disliked personally. I would like to think that most people are this way, but I also know there are probably some bigots. The optimist in me would like to think that the majority of people are not bigoted.

One of my mottoes is, "There are SOBs of every color." Maybe I should add sexual orientation to that.

Personally, the thought of being with another guy sexually makes me ill. I mean, who would wanna be with a hairy guy when girls are so much softer and snugglier. Different strokes for different strokes, I guess.

 

[Skail]

<< I mean, who would wanna be with a hairy guy when girls are so much softer and snugglier. >>

Hairy guys gross me out, and so do feminine gays with the hand motions and irritating voice, and gays who dress like women. They don't even do a good job.. bright red lipstick and fake nails, but they don't bother to shave their arms and legs. Imagine a big, hairy arm and hand with bright, fire engine red long nails on it. It's really a sick thought.

As for mental troubles, my parents have been convinced that I was gay for my entire life and that's just like, a thing that's been around since as long as I remember. I used to be really, REALLY girly with a high-pitched voice and a lisp and everything. I was four, my god.

And then they showed me a Playgirl, and around the same time my best friends told the whole school the girls I liked. I think that messed me up; I started looking at male porn, and two years later I starting getting attracted to guys at school. Blame my parents and the traumatic environment I was in.

 

[Skail]

As far as religious stuff, I was always taught things like "God loves you" and "You're special". If there is this all-powerful God, why did he make me? Why did he have my parents have sex? If he doesn't want me, why does he not strike me down now? Why not use spontaneous human combustion and make me burn up right now and die? Religious zealots really piss me off. Not that there's anything wrong with religion, but some people really try too hard to change people.

"You're atheist? But you're supposed to be Christian! Do your parents know? Why are you atheist? What made you decide that? Why don't you think there's a god? Are you sure? Are you a psycho? Are you going to be the next Columbine shooter? Are you gay? I can't believe you don't think Jesus is real. Do you go to church? Do you sing? Oh wait, you don't go to church? Why not? Does your mom know you're atheist? Does she want you to go to church? You should really go to church man and become Christian. Are you really serious about how you're atheist? I don't believe you. Stop being athiest. Man, you're wierd."

 

[Nefrodite]

Hairy guys gross me out, and so do feminine gays with the hand motions and irritating voice, and gays who dress like women. They don't even do a good job.. bright red lipstick and fake nails, but they don't bother to shave their arms and legs. Imagine a big, hairy arm and hand with bright, fire engine red long nails on it. It's really a sick thought.

lol, have you seen the bits by lenos intern? i don't think you can fake that voice, i certainly can't haha. its freaky. that guys a poster child for a genetic cause for homos.

<< I mean, who would wanna be with a hairy guy when girls are so much softer and snugglier. >>

yes, how do girls do it haha

 

[Jerboy]

\/ combined with below post

 

[Jerboy]

How come people can never discuss homosexuality without bringing in Bible quotes ? :disgust:




<< Well, what an interesting thread for someone like myself to stumble upon. I'm bisexual. I don't think that God is going to strike me down for it, because after all I'm an atheist! It's really an interesting combination.

Now of course, I know that people won't like me for it. I don't tell very many people. >>




Thats the sad truth. Someone posted here he gave me a 1 user rating based on my sexuality, not based on my posting content.

Some people don't like you here at AnandTech unless you are 100% straight or you act like you are. Sure I could pretend to be, but why bother?

 

[jkoXP]

i dont accept it and never will. It IS wrong. dont give me that crap about, oh more love in the world.

 

[Geekbabe]

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<< I'm an adult and I could care less who people wanna have sex with >>



I have to agree, except I feel the need to add "unless its with me." >>




Exactly!!! It cracks me up that a lot of people seem to think that the majority of us care who they do and how they do them.As long as you are not a threat to the health,safety or well being of myself or the people I care about I really could care less what you do in the bedroom. I have my own personal life to conduct,I'm not partcularly interested in legislating those of other people

 

[Amused]

<< i dont accept it and never will. It IS wrong. dont give me that crap about, oh more love in the world. >>



The funny thing is, that's YOUR problem, not theirs.

The minute I realised this was the minute I stopped having a problem with them.

 

[Mookow]

<< what brings the teen aspect into this is in my personal experience as a well bonified teen, >>



LOL. I'm surprised no one else commented on that. Its spelled "bona fide", although being a teenage male could also be considered being in a bonified state . Seeing as I'm 19, I can vouch for that part.

Anyway, I dont care what people want to do behind closed doors, nor who they are trying to have sex with (as long as they arent trying to screw my ass). I dont see why some people feel the need to have my approval over what they do in bed. If you are an adult, your sexuality is your business, you go about how you want to, but do NOT expect to see BDSM or goat-screwing as "a highly erotic experience I would want to try."

 

[JupiterJones]

As for Romans, I can't wait until someone tells me a valid reason why Paul's words are even IN the bible, much less why his words are more important in the church than those of Jesus.

AmusedOne,
There is a lot to your question. The short and sweet question as to why Paul's words are more important to the church than those of Jesus, is that most of what Jesus directly taught was as the Jewish Messiah. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Paul is generally speaking directly to the Christian Church. For example, the sermon on the mount is ALL about the Millennial Kingdom. There is application for the Christian Church, but it is not primarily directed at us.

That being said, what did Jesus say that would make you think he didn't consider homosexuality as wrong?

I'm not sure we have the space here to dabate the New Testament Canon.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

<< How come people can never discuss homosexuality without bringing in Bible quotes ? :disgust: >>

Yo, Narzy brought it up in the original post, duh.

 

[Moonbeam]

LOL Mookow

 

[gopunk]

I dont see why some people feel the need to have my approval over what they do in bed.

because they want to get married, and the law currently prohibits that.

 

[BoberFett]

Well, my thread was locked either for redundancy or offensive content. I know not which.

But I guess I can make my point here. On one hand people seem to feel that if they want to boink someone of the same sex in the privacy of their own home, it's their business and nobody should be able to say it's wrong. But if the two people involved in the boinking are related, it's suddenly everybody's business.

Societal programming at it's finest.

 

[Amused]

<< As for Romans, I can't wait until someone tells me a valid reason why Paul's words are even IN the bible, much less why his words are more important in the church than those of Jesus.

AmusedOne,
There is a lot to your question. The short and sweet question as to why Paul's words are more important to the church than those of Jesus, is that most of what Jesus directly taught was as the Jewish Messiah. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Paul is generally speaking directly to the Christian Church. For example, the sermon on the mount is ALL about the Millennial Kingdom. There is application for the Christian Church, but it is not primarily directed at us.

That being said, what did Jesus say that would make you think he didn't consider homosexuality as wrong?

I'm not sure we have the space here to dabate the New Testament Canon. >>



Why is it that believers always insist non-believers prove a negative?

Let's look at this in a new light, shall we?

Leviticus is null and void. Or at least the most ignored lawbook in the history of religion.

Jesus said nothing pro, or con. So that's a moot point. He also said nothing pro or con about driving cars. Do you suppose that's "evil" too?

Paul was just a guy a bunch of other guys agreed with, and therefore threw his supposed letters into what we now call the "Bible." In fact, if I was to name the first great corruptor of the Christian religion, I'd have to agree with Jefferson and Franklin and say it's Paul.

Long story short, I see nothing in the Christian religion that supports the banning of homosexuality.

 

[Stark]

<< also where in the bible does it say people of the same sex who love each other is wrong, or is a sin?
thanks for the comments however you did not state where in the bible it said such fact...
then:
How come people can never discuss homosexuality without bringing in Bible quotes ?
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Teens are taught moral relativism... that what's right or wrong for you may not neccessarily be right or wrong for me. People can make up their own rules for life, as long as it doesn't directly harm their neighbor. In fact, people have quoted this life philosophy in this thread.

The Bible teaches that there is absolute right and wrong, good and evil. Homosexuality is listed right along with bestiality and incest as things you're not supposed to do in bed.

People who actually belive what the Bible said are often characterized as narrow-minded, intolerant, or even bigoted. Those are the very things today's teens are taught they must never become. So it's no suprise that they are more accepting of just about everything, not just homosexuality.