Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

[Paul98]

Oh and you are the problem with trying to teach stuff in this way. Instead of giving the facts and the robust explanation on how evolution works.

 

[stormkroe]

Does it now?
It also states the opposite!
Genesis 1:25-27

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Compared to

Genesis 2:18-19

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.#
meet…: Heb. as before him


And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


Pick your poison...

I'm at work so I can't really get into this, but I would like to point out your miss-quote.

18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam [f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs [g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

This isn't something considered ambiguous enough to argue, I don't think any of the best (Dawkins, Hitchens, etc) ever questioned this. Hope this clears that up 🙂. Can't wait to get home, most people never want to discuss this stuff or simply can't do it.

 

[Retro Rob]

You seem to be confusing fact and opinion. I can't help at laugh at the pure stupidity of your posts. Oh I don't believe in the fact of evolution, but have no problem using evolution and what comes about from it.

I suggest people simply stop responding to you as clearly you are so far gone from reality and logic that you are unable to be reached.

You are missing the point. I believe what the Bible says about creation, that we didn't evolve from anything... we were created.

As far as that goes, evolution is the opinion, not fact.

If that flies into the face of "logic" or modern science, then I frankly don't care, and am not apologizing from my beliefs.

Call me what you wish, anyone, for that matter..

 

[Retro Rob]

One is a statement of religious faith, the other is an explanation based on observation of the physical laws and properties of our universe and it's inhabitants. And that's one reason why they shouldn't be taught together in the science curriculum. Have a comparative mythologies class and the various religious myths can be compared and discussed.

I respect that distinction.

A certain percentage of people will always misuse science or religion; it's an individual problem.

You can certainly choose to not accept evolution, a scientific theory that we know more about than we do of gravity; yet there aren't too many people that don't accept that gravity is real. And the ones that don't accept it are either: in a substance-induced altered state of consciousness; suffering from a mental illness or responding to an extreme emotional stress factor in their lives.

I hear what you're saying, but at the end of it all, you have to pick a side. You can't believe that we were created AND evolved, right?

I have plenty reason to side with scripture, despite what many think.

 

[Schmide]

I'm calling

Never try and out stubborn a cat

 

[alzan]

I respect that distinction.




I hear what you're saying, but at the end of it all, you have to pick a side. You can't believe that we were created AND evolved, right?

I have plenty reason to side with scripture, despite what many think.

Why do you see it as one side or the other? Science is not at war with religion, despite what some speakers, books, websites, etc. might tell you. Science does not ask people to abandon their spiritual or religious faith. They exist quite well together as long as the difference between them is recognized and respected.

I know we are created; in that all of us were created when our parents decided to screw and got lucky on the die roll.

I think/accept that the theories of the Big Bang and Evolution do a good job of explaining both the history and current state of the universe and how our species and others have adapted to life in a particular environment.

If your faith gives you peace and comfort, a reason for living, the warm fuzzies at night, etc., that's great. But it shouldn't be used as a substitute for fact.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Nope, won't be drawn into a debate about this. This is your opinion, you can have it.

Again, your opinion. Nope... won't even debate it. Have your opinion.

It is not an opinion. It is a fact, plain and simple. It is flatly dishonest for you to deny that.

Did I say that science shouldn't be used because people misuse it? No, I didn't. My point was simple -- anything can be used for both good and evil, science, the Bible, religion.. anything... even a baseball bat.

Sorry for disrupting your infallible view of the scientific world, Taxt.

My view isn't infallible. It's simply true.

Doesn't mean I have to accept Evolution to take advanatage of said advances. I reject evolution, and use science and it's advances without a hitch! 😎

It surprises my very little to encounter another willfully ignorant theist.

Does that upset you?

It always saddens me to discover a person with so little integrity.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I hear what you're saying, but at the end of it all, you have to pick a side. You can't believe that we were created AND evolved, right?

The extraordinary number of theistic evolutionists don't seem to have a problem doing precisely that.

I have plenty reason to side with scripture, despite what many think.

You don't need plenty of reasons. You just need one good reason, but unfortunately none of those exist.

 

[Retro Rob]

Why do you see it as one side or the other? Science is not at war with religion, despite what some speakers, books, websites, etc. might tell you. Science does not ask people to abandon their spiritual or religious faith. They exist quite well together as long as the difference between them is recognized and respected.

I know we are created; in that all of us were created when our parents decided to screw and got lucky on the die roll.

I think/accept that the theories of the Big Bang and Evolution do a good job of explaining both the history and current state of the universe and how our species and others have adapted to life in a particular environment.

If your faith gives you peace and comfort, a reason for living, the warm fuzzies at night, etc., that's great. But it shouldn't be used as a substitute for fact.

I never said they were at war, but evloution was an attack on the Bible. The Bible teaches we're a product of intelligent design, (God), and didn't come from any previous animal/whatever. But we are a direct creation. Evolution says we were not a direct creation of God.

It surprises my very little to encounter another willfully ignorant theist.

lol

The extraordinary number of theistic evolutionists don't seem to have a problem doing precisely that.

They're sellouts, and caved in to pressure from science and others. Just as the Catholic Church turned their backs on the Bible and God by accepting evolution as a valid theory. Jesus did not do this, and in fact he quoted from the Genesis account affirming his faith in God and creation.

You don't need plenty of reasons. You just need one good reason, but unfortunately none of those exist.

I have many reasons in case one asks for more reasons for my faith. I have one good reason as well, supported by many more.

 

[sandorski]

I never said they were at war, but evloution was an attack on the Bible. The Bible teaches we're a product of intelligent design, (God), and didn't come from any previous animal/whatever. But we are a direct creation. Evolution says we were not a direct creation of God.



lol



They're sellouts, and caved in to pressure from science and others. Just as the Catholic Church turned their backs on the Bible and God by accepting evolution as a valid theory. Jesus did not do this, and in fact he quoted from the Genesis account affirming his faith in God and creation.



I have many reasons in case one asks for more reasons for my faith. I have one good reason as well, supported by many more.

Bullshit. You are either trolling or teetering on Paranoid Delusion.

 

[WHAMPOM]

All religions have creation myths. Trouble is facts trump myth.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I never said they were at war, but evloution was an attack on the Bible.

Bullshit.

The Bible teaches we're a product of intelligent design, (God), and didn't come from any previous animal/whatever. But we are a direct creation. Evolution says we were not a direct creation of God.

Your interpretation is a minority one, and not infallible.

lol

What's especially lol-worthy is that you cannot rebut the fact that you are willfully ignorant.

They're sellouts, and caved in to pressure from science and others. Just as the Catholic Church turned their backs on the Bible and God by accepting evolution as a valid theory.

What you call "pressure" is what honest people call "integrity." The evidence is plain and clear. The only means to deny it is dishonesty. You just lack the moral fortitude to be honest about the evidence.

Jesus did not do this, and in fact he quoted from the Genesis account affirming his faith in God and creation.

Evolution does not falsify creation! No wonder you're religious -- you're an idiot.

I have many reasons in case one asks for more reasons for my faith. I have one good reason as well, supported by many more.

No you don't. You're invited to prove me wrong, though.

 

[Retro Rob]

Evolution does not falsify creation! No wonder you're religious -- you're an idiot.

I think you're smart enough, or at least I hope you are, to get where I was going. Better still, Jesus affirmed his faith in God that HE (God) CREATED MANKIND apart from any other life form and they do not come from lower life forms or animals or whatever common ancestor evolutionary science teaches.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I think you're smart enough, or at least I hope you are, to get where I was going.

Yes, I do know, which is how I know it's ridiculous.

Better still, Jesus affirmed his faith in God that HE (God) CREATED MANKIND apart from any other life form and they do not come from lower life forms or animals or whatever common ancestor evolutionary science teaches.

Of course, Jesus NEVER spoke in figurative language. Everything Jesus ever said is literal to the point of mathematical precision. 🙄

That's also aside from the fact that what Jesus is alleged to have said is in fact reported by someone else, and we don't even know who those people are. Hearsay at its worst.

 

[Retro Rob]

Yes, I do know, which is how I know it's ridiculous.

Liar. You didn't know.

Of course, Jesus NEVER spoke in figurative language. Everything Jesus ever said is literal to the point of mathematical precision. 🙄

Sure, he did. But he directly quoted from Genesis, which is clear and no figurative language was offered.

That's also aside from the fact that what Jesus is alleged to have said is in fact reported by someone else, and we don't even know who those people are. Hearsay at its worst.

ok....

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Liar. You didn't know.

Tell you what, I'll start to give a shit about your assessments of reality if/when you achieve even a shred of credibility. At the moment you have none.

Sure, he did. But he directly quoted from Genesis, which is clear and no figurative language was offered.

And it is so impossible that Genesis was an allegorical account of cosmological history to begin. Do you think about ANYTHING you say?

ok....

So on the one hand we have direct evidence of the common ancestry of biological organisms, and on the other we have anonymous hearsay that only conflicts with common ancestry in one particularly tortured interpretation... and you have elected to adhere blindly and unwaveringly to that narrow reading.

It should come as no surprise to you that nobody takes you seriously. Your position is a joke.

 

[Retro Rob]

Tell you what, I'll start to give a shit about your assessments of reality if/when you achieve even a shred of credibility. At the moment you have none.

Likewise.

So on the one hand we have direct evidence of the common ancestry of biological organisms, and on the other we have anonymous hearsay that only conflicts with common ancestry in one particularly tortured interpretation... and you have elected to adhere blindly and unwaveringly to that narrow reading.

It should come as no surprise to you that nobody takes you seriously. Your position is a joke.

We have direct evidence of a Creator who brought us into existence apart from animal and any/all other creation, but you ignore that.

Isn't very smart of you, Taxt, since you seem to present yourself as intelligent, but you really are... stupid (not intellectually, but by ignoring clear evidence.)

Eh, what a waste of a human being...

 

[Retro Rob]

What you call "pressure" is what honest people call "integrity." The evidence is plain and clear. The only means to deny it is dishonesty. You just lack the moral fortitude to be honest about the evidence.

No, it's pressure. It's not surprising that they were concerned about their numbers and congregation size since most started taking evolution as fact with very little of what was called "evidence" back then.

So no, they weren't really Christians, and aren't today with all the idol worship that goes on there. It's hard to trust anything they do or say. Men raping boys, etc... they're a fraud, and proved that time and time again by accepting evolution as fact, and committing the many killings and forced conversions throughout their history.

 

[sandorski]

Likewise.




We have direct evidence of a Creator who brought us into existence apart from animal and any/all other creation, but you ignore that.

Isn't very smart of you, Taxt, since you seem to present yourself as intelligent, but you really are... stupid (not intellectually, but by ignoring clear evidence.)

Eh, what a waste of a human being...

What is it?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

We have direct evidence of a Creator who brought us into existence apart from animal and any/all other creation, but you ignore that.

Is that so? Kindly present this alleged "evidence" then. You appear to be ignorant of what evidence actually is.

Isn't very smart of you, Taxt, since you seem to present yourself as intelligent, but you really are... stupid (not intellectually, but by ignoring clear evidence.)

It is impossible to ignore that which does not exist.

 

[Retro Rob]

What is it?

Romans 1:20.

I suspect you won't bother to read that.

 

[sandorski]

Romans 1:20.

I suspect you won't bother to read that.

I read, so how is that evidence of anything?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

No, it's pressure.

Oh well since you merely repeated your false and baseless assertion, that changes everything. 🙄

It's not surprising that they were concerned about their numbers and congregation size since most started taking evolution as fact with very little of what was called "evidence" back then.

So no, they weren't really Christians, and aren't today with all the idol worship that goes on there. It's hard to trust anything they do or say. Men raping boys, etc... they're a fraud, and proved that time and time again by accepting evolution as fact, and committing the many killings and forced conversions throughout their history.

This is merely ad hominem. Can you make an argument that is NOT fraught with fallacy?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Romans 1:20.

I suspect you won't bother to read that.

You clearly do not understand how evidence works.

 

[Retro Rob]

Is that so? Kindly present this alleged "evidence" then. You appear to be ignorant of what evidence actually is.


It is impossible to ignore that which does not exist.

Intelligent design requires intelligent creatorship.

In other words, we're a robust race (humans) with the ability to heal, reprouduce, think, reason, and also create things ourselves, etc.

If I see things that have order, then where did that order come from?

I know that nothing in my home that's in order can be done without orderly arrangement. I know that when I see a building that has a specific design for a specific purpose, for instance, I know someone did it.

I see my body, make up, and a lot of other arranged mechanism, but that doesn't require a purposeful Creator with a purpose in mind? In other words, a more intelligent being? (God).