Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

[JohnOfSheffield]

Why do you call this thing, "God?" An unmoving, unthinking, unreacting thing whose structure was not created by outside forces and therefore is not constrained to be anything?

A god is an anthropomorphic explanation which humans hold in superstitious regard. Take away the superstition, and it's not a god. Take away the assignment of human qualities, and it's not a god.

You posit a mere fluctuation in what is. (whether the observer or the object is the one moving doesn't matter.) What does this have to do with an invisible Sky Daddy who has a strong negative emotional reaction to watching people eat bacon, and who sacrificed himself to himself in order to convince himself not to torture his creation through a system of torture he created for the purpose of coercing his creation into not making him torture it?

Calling a meaningless structure a "god" is nothing but an attempt by believers to assign properties to it that allow them to go back to their superstitious ways and relieve themselves of the burden of thinking.

I like you a lot better when you're kicking arse than when you are being a fucktard with ponies.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Is that you?

I have an instant urge to punch you in the face.

It is...and you just punch away...I'm not delicate 😛
I'm...what ...35 there...2 years ago on summer holiday....danish beer keeps you young 😉

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It is...and you just punch away...I'm not delicate 😛
I'm...what ...35 there...2 years ago on summer holiday....danish beer keeps you young 😉

I'd love me a HOF right now. Still have some Gammeldansk in the fridge but i can never remember if it's supposed to cure hangovers or make them worse so i just drink one before bed and hope that's the way to do it.

Denmark is a great nation in many regards, i can honestly say that i have never met people with a greater sense of humour except for my own kind of course. We had a lot of fun running prisoners from Kabul. 😀

I do think your ex minister of state (current NATO) is an arse though but for reasons i'm not allowed to say.

Good answer, but purple tank top tucked in purple khakis? WTH is wrong with you?

 

[Paratus]

Seems I have to keep posting this image.

 

[Retro Rob]

I grew up in a Christian home, i was indoctrinated since birth with that shit and it wasn't until i read the bible myself, many, many times that at the grown age of 13 my parents put me on the street for proclaiming that it wasn't true.

That's the thing, I wasn't indoctrinated. You were.

Again... all religious folks weren't indoctrinated, I wasn't indoctrinated. Instead, I was encouraged to research and question things I had issues understanding. I did, and was/am enightended.

You were taught to believe without question. I sympathize with that.

The reason why I call folks like you idiots is becasue you think all "Christians" were/are subject to the same forced belief you were.

It simply isn't true.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's the thing, I wasn't indoctrinated. You were.

Again... all religious folks weren't indoctrinated, I wasn't indoctrinated. Instead, I was encouraged to research and question things I had issues understanding. I did, and was/am enightended.

You were taught to believe without question. I sympathize with that.

The reason why I call folks like you idiots is becasue you think all "Christians" were/are subject to the same forced belief you were.

It simply isn't true.

I said all that? Or is this the pre-concieved notion you get from what i said without you even asking me?

Son, i don't give a fuck what you believe but for the love of this world don't try to teach others that your pre-concieved realities are true or that reality doesn't really matter if you believe differently.

You would most certainly not be alive today if we would have stuck to the scripture and nothing else, science as we know it would have consisted of the hygienic laws of Leviticus and we would still mutlilate the penises of young boys.

Fortunately that was 3k years ago and we're not savages now.

You do understand that i don't mind you being a Christian at all, your faith is personal and adheres to YOU alone, i don't share it nor should i (after all, read your Bible, no matter what i do i have a free pass, i'm one of gods chosen people, i could rape children all day long and god would still let me into heaven) because i don't believe in it.

I also don't think people understand how this "belief" works, i CANNOT believe, no matter what i was made in such a way that i CANNOT believe in a god, it is impossible for me to believe in anything for which there is not clear evidence.

My mind was made like this, it's just the fucking way it is, it's not like i reject god, it's not like i do anything what so ever with that though other than to not believe because i have no evidence.

To understand this, could you start believing in Odin today? Reject everything you know and have learned scientifically about the world and start believing in him?

If not then you know why i don't believe in the God of Abraham even though via heritage i'm Jewish and via family i'm Christian.

 

[Paul98]

That's the thing, I wasn't indoctrinated. You were.

Again... all religious folks weren't indoctrinated, I wasn't indoctrinated. Instead, I was encouraged to research and question things I had issues understanding. I did, and was/am enightended.

You were taught to believe without question. I sympathize with that.

The reason why I call folks like you idiots is becasue you think all "Christians" were/are subject to the same forced belief you were.

It simply isn't true.

So why didn't you try to understand and learn how things actually work? Do you understand relativity, quantum physics? You have already said you don't understand evolution, it's going to be hard to come to any good conclusions if you haven't studied what can answer your questions. If it turns out you are unable to understand something as well explained as evolution how can you think you have the intelligence to come to the proper conclusions based on evidence?

 

[Retro Rob]

I said all that? Or is this the pre-concieved notion you get from what i said without you even asking me?

That's fair, do you think all Christians are indoctrinated?

You would most certainly not be alive today if we would have stuck to the scripture and nothing else, science as we know it would have consisted of the hygienic laws of Leviticus and we would still mutlilate the penises of young boys.

What hygientic laws are you referring to?

To understand this, could you start believing in Odin today? Reject everything you know and have learned scientifically about the world and start believing in him?

Lol, your comparision fails because you assume that people who believe in God automatically reject science outright.

Where do you guys get this from that belief in God is rejection of science?

I guess that people who believe in God shouldn't drive cars, take medicine, use computers, do math, etc... or did you know that some Biologists believe in God, Computer progammers go to Church and read the Bible and so on, or that a buddy of mine holds a Chemistry Degree (even though he works in IT due to the lack of finding work in his field) who is one of the most Godly men I know.

Retards.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I will respectfully disagree, speaking for myself only.

You can respectfully disagree that squares have corners, but don't expect a lot of respect for your disagreement in return.

I franky don't care how the denial of science is defined.

Yes, that is very clear, and precisely why I don't take you seriously when you say things like:

I don't deny science.

If you deny the common ancestry of biological organisms, you deny science. Period.

You can take that definition and shove it, quite honestly.

That won't change it or make it go away. It's not like I'm the one that defined it.

There are various scientifc studies I agree with and study to some degree.

Certain aspects of science I disagree with.

Examples?

Plain and simple. Your definition doesn't fit me.

It isn't my definition.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's fair, do you think all Christians are indoctrinated?

No, some of them are just stupid by default and come to realizations about a fantasy world they can live in where they can be forgiven immediately rather than face their own actions. Alcoholics and abusers of women and children are in that group.

Personally i'll live a lifetime with my shit and i embrace it, i don't mind the pain and if i'm to atone for it it's by suffering with my own thoughts, not delusions of forgiveness from an entity that most probably doesn't even exist.

What hygientic laws are you referring to?

It takes the knife and cuts the babys penis kind of hygiene sheit that was probably a good idea 3000 years ago when most water was infested with parasites and females were witches most of the time just cuz people said so.

Lol, your comparision fails because you assume that people who believe in God automatically reject science outright.

Could you believe in another god just by changing beliefs? That is the question and don't try to deflect, it's just pathetic.

When it comes to religion and science, either you don't believe in creationism or you don't believe in biology, geology, astronomy, germ theory (comes from biology) or any of the modern day sciences, it is ALL dependent on old earth and evolution, every single part of todays knowledge rests on that, that is how important dating and evolution is.

Modern medicine would be set back 200(!) years if we excluded evolution from biology.

Where do you guys get this from that belief in God is rejection of science

I'm not going to dignify the rest with a response, it's the musings of a deranged mind and i'll leave it at that.

Perhaps you mistook me for some 13 year old new atheist on twitter but go the wrong thread?

By all means, piss off though, you've said you were going to several times in this thread and i don't want to keep you from killing your neighbours, torturing their babies and raping their pre teen daughters. or whatever it is you do when doing things IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BIBLE.

 

[Retro Rob]

If you deny the common ancestry of biological organisms, you deny science. Period.

We are a direct creation, with God as our creator. That's why I can't reject science. Plain and simple.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We are a direct creation, with God as our creator. That's why I can't reject science. Plain and simple.

If you honestly believe that then you have closed your mind from the day evolution was introduced into your school and closed both eyes and ears soundly ever since.

Your mind is locked shut and you do not WANT to know something that may teach you differently.

In short, you are uneducated and happy to be a fucking retard because of it.

Congrats, may your kind die out soon, the world needs you about as much as we need fleas.

 

[Matt1970]

Please define what doctors refer to as "miracles?" Someone with a terminal disease who "miraculously" recovers? I prefer the perfectly ordinary explanation that the doctors mis-diagnosed the severity of the disease (or are you claiming the medical science is perfect)? Or alternatively, that "terminal disease" actually means "terminal most of the time," and that "99% lethal" also means "1% non-lethal." Being a member of that 1% is not a miracle; it's luck.

Well you will have to take it up with the doctors then. They tend to think otherwise.

 

[Retro Rob]

If you honestly believe that then you have closed your mind from the day evolution was introduced into your school and closed both eyes and ears soundly ever since.

Your mind is locked shut and you do not WANT to know something that may teach you differently.

In short, you are uneducated and happy to be a fucking retard because of it.

Congrats, may your kind die out soon, the world needs you about as much as we need fleas.

Yes I do believe that, and what you call "closing my mind", I call accepting prefectly true fact, and rejection of inconsistent, deceptive, and forever changing evolutionary dogma.

 

[Matt1970]

You got ANY evidence for this..."human soul"?

Or are you just twisting reality?

Are you saying we have no soul?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yes I do believe that, and what you call "closing my mind", I call accepting prefectly true fact, and rejection of inconsistent, deceptive, and forever changing evolutionary dogma.

One thing is dogma, created 4000 years ago by Jewish people who had absolutely no understanding of the world, the other is an open science that has developed over hundreds of years via observing nature itself, exploring and testing to see what is true and real and yes, it changes as evidence is found, it will probably not be perfected for hundreds of years because we learn as we experiment and we include all new knowledge.

You choose to close all senses to all knowledge and learned experiences, to everything but what was thought up 4000 years ago you close your eyes and disregard it.

That is your choice but don't you fucking demand that i respect your beliefs if you INSIST of using 4000 year old stories as a replacement for reality.

Your choice is as clear as daylight to me, i've fought your kind before in Afghanistan, the rejectionists of truth and arrogant people who believe they are personally good people because while they are the lowest forms of life on earth they ask gods forgiveness and they believe it makes it better.

Tell me, when was the last time you hurt someone and rather than trying to solve the problem you prayed and made it go away?

 

[Paul98]

Are you saying we have no soul?

I would guess yes

 

[Paul98]

Yes I do believe that, and what you call "closing my mind", I call accepting prefectly true fact, and rejection of inconsistent, deceptive, and forever changing evolutionary dogma.

So what you are saying is you are ether ignorant and don't know much about evolution, or stupid and can't understand it?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Are you saying we have no soul?

I don't know what he's saying but no, we have no "soul" we consist of a electrochemical apparatus that is our mind, our brain, everything that makes us into us.

This is well known, there have been a multitude of less than ethical studies and even more ethical studies that provides evidence that you are nothing but the electrochemical impulses manufactured in your brain.

People have been stripped of their memories by injuring a part of the brain, stripped of their personality by injuring other parts and so on.

We're quite aware that what is us resides inside our brains as electrochemical signals.

They are gone when you die, you go back to wherever you were before week 25 of your mothers pregnancy, into the same nothingness.

Your mind doesn't survive your death.

 

[Retro Rob]

Tell me, when was the last time you hurt someone and rather than trying to solve the problem you prayed and made it go away?

To answer, I have never just sat and prayed instead of giving a helping hand.

Heck, the last thing on my mind is prayer in that situation.

 

[Retro Rob]

So what you are saying is you are ether ignorant and don't know much about evolution, or stupid and can't understand it?

Neither.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

To answer, I have never just sat and prayed instead of giving a helping hand.

Heck, the last thing on my mind is prayer in that situation.

So, if you ever wronged somone your first instinct is to help them and fix it? Not pray for forgiveness, that makes you a non-christian. FIRST you ask for the lords forgiveness and then you do absolutely nothing.

I thought you said you know your Bible?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

We are a direct creation, with God as our creator.

There is no reason to believe that this is true.

That's why I can't reject science. Plain and simple.

You're either ignorant or lying.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Neither.

Explain the evolutionary process that leads one species evolution into another species via natural selection.

If you cannot do that in a simple fashion without looking any part of it up you do not have even a little bit of a clue about how evolution is a fact and how it works.

If you can but don't believe in it then you don't believe in reality.

So... go.

 

[werepossum]

Okay - THAT is funny!