Here is how government works and who pulls the strings

[brycejones]

Some serious fuckwittery on display in this thread.

Doctors want to advocate for the most healthy option for mothers and babies and some people want to tell the doctors to shut up and get back to... acting... I guess?

I thought you dumbnutses respected professionals. Oh wait, that's right. That'd be like showing weakness, because your egos are so goddamned starved.

Professionals are part of the elites because they be like edumacated or some shit. Zapp, DSF, and glenn1 are all about the common sense they don't need no learnen to teach them nothem they don't already know. And god forbid someone try to share research that says doing one thing is better than doing another thing. That's just attacking their freedumb and lording the learning over them.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Here's what you missed: there's not a woman on earth that needs dipshit you to teach her any of that.

But I have an idea for you and the other wanna-be-patriarchal asshats: I nominate you to head of the UN council on teaching women all about feminine hygiene under the banner of "Because it takes a big ol' DOUCHEBAG..."

Have at it!

Still haven't bothered to educate yourself I see. The links I posted were too hard to read?

It's just so much more fun to rant about shit that you know nothing about.

And the fact is that it's been an issue since the formula companies started propagandizing their way through the less developed world back in the 70s and 80s

Probably a waste of time, but:


For example, from 1991

"ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast — Six-month-old Jhym had withered away to skin and bone by the time doctors first saw him. The diagnosis: malnutrition caused by improper formula feeding.

The doctors said Jhym would survive. But UNICEF estimates that more than 1.5 million other Third World babies die each year because aggressive promotion of infant formula persuades their mothers to bottle-feed rather than breast-feed.

Indiscriminate dumping of large quantities of free or cut-rate powdered baby foods has been an ongoing disaster for babies in the developing world, where many families live without electricity, clean water and refrigeration to easily sanitize and preserve formula. Abidjan is one of the continent's most modern cities, with skyscrapers and six-lane highways, but 30% of the population does not have running water at home.

Improperly prepared, mixed with dirty water or over-diluted, formula-feeding can lead to malnutrition, diarrhea, dehydration and death.

Babies in the Third World fed exclusively on infant formula are 16 times more likely to die in infancy than babies fed only breast milk, said Dr. Mark Belsey, head of the World Health Organization's Maternal and Child Health Division."

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-19/news/mn-2981_1_formula-feed

 

[Paratus]

Here's what you missed: there's not a woman on earth that needs dipshit you to teach her any of that.

But I have an idea for you and the other wanna-be-patriarchal asshats: I nominate you to head of the UN council on teaching women all about feminine hygiene under the banner of "Because it takes a big ol' DOUCHEBAG..."

Have at it!

I’m not teaching women about breastfeeding. I’m educating aggressively ignorant folks like yourself.

 

[Vic]

I agree. The government shouldn't be involved in the choice at all.

The government has already been involved in the choice for decades, and very strongly in favor of the formula industry. This resolution, far from being the big govt nanny staterism that some would claim, is actually about limiting that govt intervention and giving the choice back to women and their doctors.

 

[pcgeek11]

The government has already been involved in the choice for decades, and very strongly in favor of the formula industry. This resolution, far from being the big govt nanny staterism that some would claim, is actually about limiting that govt intervention and giving the choice back to women and their doctors.

OK.

 

[momeNt]

There was some really anti-capitalist language in the resolution that needed to be removed.

American officials sought to water down the resolution by removing language that called on governments to “protect, promote and support breast-feeding” and another passage that called on policymakers to restrict the promotion of food products that many experts say can have deleterious effects on young children.

I'm not sure why natural mother's milk advocates were looking for free subsidy to further their interests. The government doesn't need to be involved in that.

 

[fskimospy]

There was some really anti-capitalist language in the resolution that needed to be removed.

I'm not sure why natural mother's milk advocates were looking for free subsidy to further their interests. The government doesn't need to be involved in that.

And by 'natural mother's milk advocates' you mean 'public health advocates', right? Seems like the government should be involved in public health.

 

[brycejones]

There was some really anti-capitalist language in the resolution that needed to be removed.



I'm not sure why natural mother's milk advocates were looking for free subsidy to further their interests. The government doesn't need to be involved in that.

Yeah that's really fucking horrible. Public Health experts trying to promote things that are actually good for public health at the expense of corporations.

Oh the humanity.

 

[Jhhnn]

And by 'natural mother's milk advocates' you mean 'public health advocates', right? Seems like the government should be involved in public health.

I can't figure out what he meant by "free subsidy".

 

[Vic]

OK.

It is my experience that conservative reactionaries tend to perceive the status quo as the least amount of government intervention, even when the opposite is self-evidently true (like here), and especially when someone else (and not them) is being adversely affected by the current state of government intrusion.

 

[Vic]

There was some really anti-capitalist language in the resolution that needed to be removed.



I'm not sure why natural mother's milk advocates were looking for free subsidy to further their interests. The government doesn't need to be involved in that.

By 'anti-capitalist,' what you really meant was 'anti-consumerist,' as in being against government policy that encourages or (in some cases) forces people to buy and consume products they don't need, and probably wouldn't want if they were allowed the choice.
The best way IMO to understand the flaw in American consumerism is that the solution to the nutritional crisis caused by white flour (back in the early 1900s) was to require enriching the flour rather than go back to using whole wheat flour. IOW, fixing the problems caused by a product we never needed with yet another product we don't need.
This isn't capitalism per se because the consumers aren't being allowed an informed choice.
This issue is much the same. The purpose of this resolution was to decrease government intervention in favor of the formula industry. Because they're the ones who have been getting the subsidies for decades.

 

[momeNt]

By 'anti-capitalist,' what you really meant was 'anti-consumerist,' as in being against government policy that encourages or (in some cases) forces people to buy and consume products they don't need, and probably wouldn't want if they were allowed the choice.
The best way IMO to understand the flaw in American consumerism is that the solution to the nutritional crisis caused by white flour (back in the early 1900s) was to require enriching the flour rather than go back to using whole wheat flour. IOW, fixing the problems caused by a product we never needed with yet another product we don't need.
This isn't capitalism per se because the consumers aren't being allowed an informed choice.
This issue is much the same. The purpose of this resolution was to decrease government intervention in favor of the formula industry. Because they're the ones who have been getting the subsidies for decades.

If it is to decrease government intervention, then i'm all for it.

I saw the word "promote" if by promote, it was actually decrease opposing promotion, then my mistake.

 

[mindless1]

The best way IMO to understand the flaw in American consumerism is that the solution to the nutritional crisis caused by white flour (back in the early 1900s) was to require enriching the flour rather than go back to using whole wheat flour. IOW, fixing the problems caused by a product we never needed with yet another product we don't need.
This isn't capitalism per se because the consumers aren't being allowed an informed choice.

Strange, I had this perception that I have the choice of buying whole wheat flour, and that I knew the differences.

I am pretty sure that you are backwards on this. You wrote "informed choice" and yet you wrote "require... rather than go back". Nobody required people to buy white flour, enriched or not, nor did government ban whole wheat, but you seem to be implying the industry should be forced to go back to whole wheat which is against consumer choice as far as the market sales indicate (health be damned).

Fixing the problems is good but "we never needed" is false. If you don't want a product, don't buy it. Nothing speaks louder than lack of market.

It is capitalism, because buyers and sellers decide instead of the government mandating that we only have whole wheat.

 

[hal2kilo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/health/world-health-breastfeeding-ecuador-trump.html

It's also how the world is ruled. It's been going on for a long time but we don't get to see what is behind the curtain too often.

Apparently, Nestles bribes, I mean contributes to a lot of politicians all over the world, but, now I see they got a new sucker.

 

[hal2kilo]

The Obama administration was for this, good for them. They were good except when they weren't. Pretending that you are pure and everyone else isn't doesn't line up with facts. Certainly Trump is all stupid greed isn't contested. The topic uses the latest farce to illustrate a larger point, that our polls are owned without many exceptions.

Apparently given the facts you will still continue with your bothsides meme.

 

[hal2kilo]

I can't figure out what he meant by "free subsidy".

Free in conservative mindset means you took something from me personally.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Apparently given the facts you will still continue with your bothsides meme.

Once again good for Obama on the formula issue. Bad for his administraton on killing vital affordable drugs for Africa. Given the facts you ignore them. I suppose that's why the world is as it is.

 

[Vic]

Strange, I had this perception that I have the choice of buying whole wheat flour, and that I knew the differences.

I am pretty sure that you are backwards on this. You wrote "informed choice" and yet you wrote "require... rather than go back". Nobody required people to buy white flour, enriched or not, nor did government ban whole wheat, but you seem to be implying the industry should be forced to go back to whole wheat which is against consumer choice as far as the market sales indicate (health be damned).

Fixing the problems is good but "we never needed" is false. If you don't want a product, don't buy it. Nothing speaks louder than lack of market.

It is capitalism, because buyers and sellers decide instead of the government mandating that we only have whole wheat.

Yaknow, it's okay. I can remember being this naive.

 

[ivwshane]

Once again good for Obama on the formula issue. Bad for his administraton on killing vital affordable drugs for Africa. Given the facts you ignore them. I suppose that's why the world is as it is.

Oh the irony.