Here is how government works and who pulls the strings

[Maxima1]

Please. The GOP is incapable of doing the right thing in a lot of situations because, for them, it's all about the money. This episode shows that rather clearly, as you point out..

And yet Barry Soetoro was bending over backwards for the GOP to garner bipartisanship. He screwed us with Comey, for example.

 

[Zaap]

Ah what is government doing trying to influence breast feeding?!?!

So far the only person to ask the common sense question.

No, the fucking world doesn't need a fucking resolution of stupid nitwits for women to do what they are biologically able to since the dawn of time!

This is classic of big government type ninnies thinking they need to white knight for women. Like women are too stupid to know they can choose to breastfeed their babies or use formula as they choose, not what some bunch of dipshit low-level bureaucrats who think of them all as victims says they can do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And now the double triple down on the bullshit allegations w/ a nice duh-version, too. I oppose any efforts to increase baby formula use by poor women anywhere, which is exactly what the Trump admin has supported.

I haven't supported the needless imprisonment of thousands, either.

Everyone here is against the formula thing. The larger principle still applies and you have supported imprisonment by virtue of ignoring the power of an administration to reschedule making absurd excuses for the prior admin. Bush was trying to help people in Africa. The subsequent administration buried it.

Sorry the truth trumps your slavish unquestioning loyalty.

But no matter, the Russians got it through.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So far the only person to ask the common sense question.

No, the fucking world doesn't need a fucking resolution of stupid nitwits for women to do what they are biologically able to since the dawn of time!

This is classic of big government type ninnies thinking they need to white knight for women. Like women are too stupid to know they can choose to breastfeed their babies or use formula as they choose, not what some bunch of dipshit low-level bureaucrats who think of them all as victims says they can do.

It looks like you don't actually know anything about this issue.

Maybe you'd like to learn a bit about it? Here's a start.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...k-companies-target-poor-mothers-breastfeeding

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...re-for-marketing-claims-on-baby-milk-formulas

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2007/may/15/medicineandhealth.lifeandhealth

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...code-on-baby-milk-for-third-world-124595.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/nes...hird-world-women-yearned-for-westernization-4

https://www.smh.com.au/world/infantformula-giants-accused-of-risking-lives-20130217-2el70.html

 

[Jhhnn]

And yet Barry Soetoro was bending over backwards for the GOP to garner bipartisanship. He screwed us with Comey, for example.

Dog whistling you fellow right wingers with Barry Soetoro? How quaint.

 

[Jhhnn]

Everyone here is against the formula thing. The larger principle still applies and you have supported imprisonment by virtue of ignoring the power of an administration to reschedule making absurd excuses for the prior admin. Bush was trying to help people in Africa. The subsequent administration buried it.

Sorry the truth trumps your slavish unquestioning loyalty.

But no matter, the Russians got it through.

Word salad.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[ivwshane]

I understand your morally bankrupt position. That's how you defended the needless imprisonment of thousands. It's always someone else, but you and the GOP own what you support and refuse. Perhaps Schumer could shoot someone in the street and you'd find a way to blame someone else.

Same old song.

BTW, Bush was working with a group to provide cheap supply of malaria meds and probably HIV, but Obama took over and his administration killed it. Naturally Trump is responsible.

Nevertheless it all backs up what I was referring to and that is DC is run by these types of people and the baby formula nonsense is the latest and painfully obvious example.

Might be time for some further left to get some control so we might make some legal changes in business as usual before money and power infects them.

What the fuck are you talking about?!

I don't know what your problem is lately but I've read that changes in behavior/political views when older is a sign of dementia/Alzheimer's. I seriously recommend getting a check up.

https://www.usaid.gov/global-health/fact-sheets/malaria-announcement-february-2016

http://www.hivequal.org/homepage/th...ating-a-commitment-to-an-aids-free-generation


Since when did facts no longer matter to you?

 

[senseamp]

I can't think of anything that would give as much visibility and awareness to this issue as Republicans blocking it in such a douchy way. If those wannabe baby killers just let this resolution pass, almost no one would know about it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can't think of anything that would give as much visibility and awareness to this issue as Republicans blocking it in such a douchy way. If those wannabe baby killers just let this resolution pass, almost no one would know about it.

Nobody would have paid them for that...

 

[senseamp]

Nobody would have paid them for that...

If baby formula lobbyists paid for this horrible PR for their clients, they should be fired.

 

[Jhhnn]

If baby formula lobbyists paid for this horrible PR for their clients, they should be fired.

It's just another miscalculation by the GOP, like family separations...

 

[Paratus]

So far the only person to ask the common sense question.

No, the fucking world doesn't need a fucking resolution of stupid nitwits for women to do what they are biologically able to since the dawn of time!

This is classic of big government type ninnies thinking they need to white knight for women. Like women are too stupid to know they can choose to breastfeed their babies or use formula as they choose, not what some bunch of dipshit low-level bureaucrats who think of them all as victims says they can do.

So that no one thinks there’s any merit to another volcanic diarrheal spew from Zaap here’s what happens after a women gives birth at a hospital.

The short of it is

• Breastfeeding is use it or lose it
• Standard medicalized birth interferes at the very start of nursing
• Formula companies will give out “free” formula samples and coupons to new mothers who if they use them lose the ability to nurse

The long of it:

My wife breastfed each of our kids for a year+. There’s actually a somewhat complicated relationship between the baby and the mother when it comes to breastfeeding. Latching on and sucking stimulates milk production, but not immediately. There’s a latency. After the baby drains a breast and keeps sucking it will stimulate the breast to make more milk next time.

Conversely, lack of stimulation will reduce future milk production. Reduce it enough and it’s not coming back. Most women who lose milk production are not going to get it back.

Ideally right after birth the baby should be placed on the mother and given a chance to nurse. Many babies and moms struggle with latching on. It can take several tries and several hours/days to get it right. That’s difficult for an exhausted mom and hungry baby to go through in the best of circumstances.

What happens in a lot of hospitals is not the best of circumstances and instead of allowing mom and baby to nurse right away the doctors and/or nurse will take the baby and

• Vigorously clean them off
• Do an Apgar test
• Give a vitamin K injection to prevent a rare but fatal bleeding disorder
• In my state, by law, the baby must have antibiotics put in its eyes to prevent blindness from the gonorrhea your wife doesn’t have.

After all that they may let the mom and now very agitated baby try and nurse. If that doesn’t work many times sugar water or formula is offered to the baby. Great to get the baby fed but now that stimulation isn’t happening so milk production doesn’t start.

Finally a lot of new moms are given several days worth of “free” formula and coupons when they leave the hospital. If they have been struggling with nursing and decide to supplement with the free formula most women will quickly lose the ability to nurse. Now they can buy formula for the next 6 months to a year.

Now don’t get me wrong. Formula is a great thing for babies and moms who need it, but it lacks many of the chemicals, hormones and immune system components that breast milk has.

 

[pcgeek11]

It’s cheaper for the parents and it’s better for the baby. Breastfeeding is known to decrease medical problems for babies.

I agree. The government shouldn't be involved in the choice at all.

 

[brycejones]

So far the only person to ask the common sense question.

No, the fucking world doesn't need a fucking resolution of stupid nitwits for women to do what they are biologically able to since the dawn of time!

This is classic of big government type ninnies thinking they need to white knight for women. Like women are too stupid to know they can choose to breastfeed their babies or use formula as they choose, not what some bunch of dipshit low-level bureaucrats who think of them all as victims says they can do.

I'm guessing no contact with a woman who has ever had to make this choice?

 

[Paratus]

I agree. The government shouldn't be involved in the choice at all.

I’m not surprised that’s your position.

The phrase is “provide for the general welfare”.

Not “provide for the corporate welfare”.

 

[glenn1]

So far the only person to ask the common sense question.

No, the fucking world doesn't need a fucking resolution of stupid nitwits for women to do what they are biologically able to since the dawn of time!

This is classic of big government type ninnies thinking they need to white knight for women. Like women are too stupid to know they can choose to breastfeed their babies or use formula as they choose, not what some bunch of dipshit low-level bureaucrats who think of them all as victims says they can do.

Hey wait a minute, now that the United Nations has solved the issues of world peace, genocide, and famine it's time for them to move on to the next most pressing problems in the world. Today it's breastfeeding vs. formula, tomorrow I heard the debate will move on to this:

 

[soulcougher73]

Not surprising, that's why I import formula from the EU. Every single fucking formula here has some type of soy in it (usually Soy Oil) which I don't want my kid drinking. I understand that it's the number 2 cash crop but the lobbying by US infant formula companies is like a monopolistic cartel and lowers our choices as parents. Bottom line is always check the ingredients of your food, DYOR, and make informed decisions based off of factual research.

Alright, which one of you highjacked Sp33Demon's account?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So that no one thinks there’s any merit to another volcanic diarrheal spew from Zaap here’s what happens after a women gives birth at a hospital.

The short of it is

• Breastfeeding is use it or lose it
• Standard medicalized birth interferes at the very start of nursing
• Formula companies will give out “free” formula samples and coupons to new mothers who if they use them lose the ability to nurse

The long of it:

My wife breastfed each of our kids for a year+. There’s actually a somewhat complicated relationship between the baby and the mother when it comes to breastfeeding. Latching on and sucking stimulates milk production, but not immediately. There’s a latency. After the baby drains a breast and keeps sucking it will stimulate the breast to make more milk next time.

Conversely, lack of stimulation will reduce future milk production. Reduce it enough and it’s not coming back. Most women who lose milk production are not going to get it back.

Ideally right after birth the baby should be placed on the mother and given a chance to nurse. Many babies and moms struggle with latching on. It can take several tries and several hours/days to get it right. That’s difficult for an exhausted mom and hungry baby to go through in the best of circumstances.

What happens in a lot of hospitals is not the best of circumstances and instead of allowing mom and baby to nurse right away the doctors and/or nurse will take the baby and

• Vigorously clean them off
• Do an Apgar test
• Give a vitamin K injection to prevent a rare but fatal bleeding disorder
• In my state, by law, the baby must have antibiotics put in its eyes to prevent blindness from the gonorrhea your wife doesn’t have.

After all that they may let the mom and now very agitated baby try and nurse. If that doesn’t work many times sugar water or formula is offered to the baby. Great to get the baby fed but now that stimulation isn’t happening so milk production doesn’t start.

Finally a lot of new moms are given several days worth of “free” formula and coupons when they leave the hospital. If they have been struggling with nursing and decide to supplement with the free formula most women will quickly lose the ability to nurse. Now they can buy formula for the next 6 months to a year.

Now don’t get me wrong. Formula is a great thing for babies and moms who need it, but it lacks many of the chemicals, hormones and immune system components that breast milk has.

Want to know what's even worse? The one drug that drastically helps with breast milk production (Domperidone) is illegal in the US for absolutely no reason other than formula companies lobbying against it.

It has little to no real side affects either, unlike the one that is legal in the US (Reglan) is known to cause massive depression. Hence, no mothers use it.

I order the illegal drug from an international seller. Works amazing.

 

[cytg111]

Next up it is recommended that you all have your left arms removed.. you know to support those companies that makes prosthesises.. its only fair.. Also more war cause arms industry... wait we allready do that.. More war then.

 

[brycejones]

Hey wait a minute, now that the United Nations has solved the issues of world peace, genocide, and famine it's time for them to move on to the next most pressing problems in the world. Today it's breastfeeding vs. formula, tomorrow I heard the debate will move on to this:

Is there ever a time you don't act like an asshole?

BTW it was the World Health Organization so they don't work on world peace, genocide, or famine. But thanks for your bitching.

 

[Zaap]

blather....

Here's what you missed: there's not a woman on earth that needs dipshit you to teach her any of that.

But I have an idea for you and the other wanna-be-patriarchal asshats: I nominate you to head of the UN council on teaching women all about feminine hygiene under the banner of "Because it takes a big ol' DOUCHEBAG..."

Have at it!

 

[Zaap]

Hey wait a minute, now that the United Nations has solved the issues of world peace, genocide, and famine it's time for them to move on to the next most pressing problems in the world. Today it's breastfeeding vs. formula, tomorrow I heard the debate will move on to this:

Sounds about right. There's a few asswipes here like bryce that could head this up as well. Once more, prior experience!

 

[jackstar7]

Some serious fuckwittery on display in this thread.

Doctors want to advocate for the most healthy option for mothers and babies and some people want to tell the doctors to shut up and get back to... acting... I guess?

I thought you dumbnutses respected professionals. Oh wait, that's right. That'd be like showing weakness, because your egos are so goddamned starved.

 

[brycejones]

Sounds about right. There's a few asswipes here like bryce that could head this up as well. Once more, prior experience!

Oh you poor triggered child. How do you make it through each day when everything pisses you off so?