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HEMI Hits a Homer for Chrysler

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Actually, there are two designs that are more efficient power makers.

Rotary and turbine engines. They both have combustion chambers and are better at making power than piston engines. Their problem is they are great at making power but terrible at fuel effeciency. If only either of them had recieved the same amount of development that piston engines have.
LOL

Turbines? Have one in your car, eh? Must be driving the Batmobile. No combustion chamber, dude. Not even a piston engine.

Way to go genius.


http://www.powerlabs.org/turbine.htm

Turbine with a combustion chamber.
Turbine engines don't have combustion chambers.
 
Originally posted by: Francodman
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Actually, there are two designs that are more efficient power makers.

Rotary and turbine engines. They both have combustion chambers and are better at making power than piston engines. Their problem is they are great at making power but terrible at fuel effeciency. If only either of them had recieved the same amount of development that piston engines have.
LOL

Turbines? Have one in your car, eh? Must be driving the Batmobile. No combustion chamber, dude. Not even a piston engine.

Way to go genius.


http://www.powerlabs.org/turbine.htm

Turbine with a combustion chamber.


pwn3d
Nope.

see my post above. Turbine engines are jet engines and have no combustion chambers.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: Francodman
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Actually, there are two designs that are more efficient power makers.

Rotary and turbine engines. They both have combustion chambers and are better at making power than piston engines. Their problem is they are great at making power but terrible at fuel effeciency. If only either of them had recieved the same amount of development that piston engines have.
LOL

Turbines? Have one in your car, eh? Must be driving the Batmobile. No combustion chamber, dude. Not even a piston engine.

Way to go genius.


http://www.powerlabs.org/turbine.htm

Turbine with a combustion chamber.


pwn3d
Nope.

see my post above. Turbine engines are jet engines and have no combustion chambers.

They made a fe jet-engined cars in the 50's or 60's or something. They never took off (haha! punny!)
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: Francodman
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Actually, there are two designs that are more efficient power makers.

Rotary and turbine engines. They both have combustion chambers and are better at making power than piston engines. Their problem is they are great at making power but terrible at fuel effeciency. If only either of them had recieved the same amount of development that piston engines have.
LOL

Turbines? Have one in your car, eh? Must be driving the Batmobile. No combustion chamber, dude. Not even a piston engine.

Way to go genius.


http://www.powerlabs.org/turbine.htm

Turbine with a combustion chamber.


pwn3d
Nope.

see my post above. Turbine engines are jet engines and have no combustion chambers.

They made a fe jet-engined cars in the 50's or 60's or something. They never took off (haha! punny!)
LOL. That was funnay!

Yes, they were experimental. GM did it with certain buses and Chrysler did it for a long time. I still have the article somewhere around here. Only a dozen or so cars were made. People got to test drive them for a month to see how they were in everyday use.

Power wise they were the equivelent to a 318 2bbl. I believe they idled at 30,000 rpm and had direct drive. Chrysler was having turbine issues with them because they required exotic alloys to make them dependable for a warrantee type time frame. They eventually gave up on it in the early 1980s. The rear exiting exhaust was also a concern because they didn't want it melting the car behind them.
 
Did I claim that you could get a turbine engine in a car? I don't think so.

I was just proving the fact that turbine cars are better at making power than piston engines.

I think you need to chill the fvck out man, I'm not stating that I've found the cure for AIDS or cancer here.

And you can in fact get a turbine powered car. Chrysler made some back in the 60s and also they've been run (not the Chryslers) at Indy, where they dominated until the transmission blew in the closing laps and then were banned because of their dominance (sounds familiar NASCAR HEMI fans?).

Whoops didn't read your post.
 
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀
 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Did I claim that you could get a turbine engine in a car? I don't think so.

I was just proving the fact that turbine cars are better at making power than piston engines.

I think you need to chill the fvck out man, I'm not stating that I've found the cure for AIDS or cancer here.

And you can in fact get a turbine powered car. Chrysler made some back in the 60s and also they've been run (not the Chryslers) at Indy, where they dominated until the transmission blew in the closing laps and then were banned because of their dominance (sounds familiar NASCAR HEMI fans?).
Noted.

I already stated about the turbine in a Mopar in the previous post.

It was experimental only. No cars were sold to the public. All but 1 were destroyed after the project was ended in the early 80's.

Yup, us Nascar Hemi fans were very impressed with the 1964 Daytona 500. 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th place went to the hemi cars. Too bad Chrysler broke the rules requiring 500 publicly available units to be sold. They were then not allowed to use the hemi and Chrysler pulled out of the 1965 season. They returned in 1966 when the street hemi became an option in production cars. Nascar was never the same since.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀

my engine weghs less than 100Kg (under 200lbs) 😛
 
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀

my engine weghs less than 100Kg (under 200lbs) 😛
:Q

what engine is that?
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀

my engine weghs less than 100Kg (under 200lbs) 😛
:Q

what engine is that?

the bmw formula one engine of course. I think its amazing how they can produce over 900HP from an engine that weighs under 200lbs.
 
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀

my engine weghs less than 100Kg (under 200lbs) 😛
:Q

what engine is that?

the bmw formula one engine of course. I think its amazing how they can produce over 900HP from an engine that weighs under 200lbs.
Hmmm.........

I like big engines myself. Then again I don't know how much a TF Hemi weighs.

I know the production street hemi weighs 900lbs. The race (super stock) hemi weighs nearly 600 lbs.

My 318 weighs 450lbs as did my old Buick 350. Not sure what my Ford's 302 weighs, but the car weighs nearly 4000 lbs. Eeek.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀

my engine weghs less than 100Kg (under 200lbs) 😛
:Q

what engine is that?

the bmw formula one engine of course. I think its amazing how they can produce over 900HP from an engine that weighs under 200lbs.
Hmmm.........

I like big engines myself. Then again I don't know how much a TF Hemi weighs.

I know the production street hemi weighs 900lbs. The race (super stock) hemi weighs nearly 600 lbs.

My 318 weighs 450lbs as did my old Buick 350. Not sure what my Ford's 302 weighs, but the car weighs nearly 4000 lbs. Eeek.


you know, i never realized how much engines weigh. thats quite a bit of weight of the car, plus the transmission.
 
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
This is a nice engine i would rather have that than a Hemi, but wouldn't we all?😀
Nope.

I would rather have this: oh yeah!. But wouldn't we all? 😉

but man on man, the sweet sound of 19,200rpm....
The sweet sound of what? I can't hear you over the sweet roar of 8000+ hp TF Hemi. 😀

my engine weghs less than 100Kg (under 200lbs) 😛
:Q

what engine is that?

the bmw formula one engine of course. I think its amazing how they can produce over 900HP from an engine that weighs under 200lbs.
Hmmm.........

I like big engines myself. Then again I don't know how much a TF Hemi weighs.

I know the production street hemi weighs 900lbs. The race (super stock) hemi weighs nearly 600 lbs.

My 318 weighs 450lbs as did my old Buick 350. Not sure what my Ford's 302 weighs, but the car weighs nearly 4000 lbs. Eeek.


you know, i never realized how much engines weigh. thats quite a bit of weight of the car, plus the transmission.
That's true.

But it depends on so many things. Full size pickups with big engines weigh a lot. My Ford weighs 4000 lbs and thats a 1987 Crown Vic.

1968 Super Stock Hemi Dart weighs 2150 lbs.

My 1979 Lebaron weighs 3400 lbs.

Todays samller cars weigh 2500 - 3000 lbs.

Less weight = better fuel economy and if HP is the question = way faster.

With RWD the weight is distributed fairly evenly over the whole vehicle, whereas FWD have most of the weight in the front.
 
Originally posted by: OffTopic
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
To the idiots who say "Hemi" is just a marketing gimmick - well if it is, it's working pretty damn well.
The hemi can be found on the crapy Corollas 😉
Did you know that Toyota is the only other car company in the world that is allowed to make and sell a Chrysler hemi?

Did you know that Australia made a Hemi Slant 6 sixpack? Ok it wasn't really a hemi but it sure was one wild inline six. 302 hp.
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
It's a marketing ploy and it works. It rolls off the tongue much better than VQ35 or 22RE. How many times do you hear people talk about 1GZFE VVTi?

A lot, when you actually care about the specifics of the engine going into the car. Hell, Honda could round off the cylinder heads and have a 1.7L HEMI VTEC. 😛

HEMI is the power of an engine in one word.

Now, now, it's pronounced <Hick> "Hemmuh!" </Hick>

- M4H
It would be hard to have multi valves in a hemispherical engine head. The Honda uses the pentroof design head for their VTEC, which is a much better design for high performance small engine.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
To the idiots who say "Hemi" is just a marketing gimmick - well if it is, it's working pretty damn well.

This is from howstuffworks.com

If HEMI engines have all these advantages, why aren't all engines using hemispherical heads? It's because there are even better configurations available today.

Name one.

You can't because the true hemi design is the best there is. Period. The Hemi chamber is the most effecient design available. The hemi makes more power than any other combustion chamber design.

Face it, the HEMI wouldn't be the choice of Top Fuel Dragsters if there were better designs. 'nuff said.
Hemi usage in dragsters is because the race is limited to 2 valves per head, therefore Hemi is the best 2 valves engines that we have.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode

You can't because the true hemi design is the best there is. Period. The Hemi chamber is the most effecient design available. The hemi makes more power than any other combustion chamber design.

Face it, the HEMI wouldn't be the choice of Top Fuel Dragsters if there were better designs. 'nuff said.

multivalve, emissions.

That is all.
 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Actually, there are two designs that are more efficient power makers.

Rotary and turbine engines. They both have combustion chambers and are better at making power than piston engines. Their problem is they are great at making power but terrible at fuel effeciency. If only either of them had recieved the same amount of development that piston engines have.
Turbine &amp; Wankel rotary engines disadvantage is that they prefer to have an optimum RPM to operate, therefore accelerating &amp; decelerating dramatically reduce the lifespan of the engine. Also, the seals of the engine seemed to wear out much quicker than the rings on piston engines.
 
Originally posted by: OffTopic
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Actually, there are two designs that are more efficient power makers.

Rotary and turbine engines. They both have combustion chambers and are better at making power than piston engines. Their problem is they are great at making power but terrible at fuel effeciency. If only either of them had recieved the same amount of development that piston engines have.
Turbine &amp; Wankel rotary engines disadvantage is that it?s prefer to have an optimum RPM to operate, therefore accelerating &amp; decelerating dramatically reduce the lifespan of the engine. Also, the seals of the engine seemed to wear out much quicker than the rings on piston engines.

While they've improved the rotary (RX-8). It doesn't have any low-end grunt and the fuel milage isn't that great.
 
Originally posted by: OffTopic
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
To the idiots who say "Hemi" is just a marketing gimmick - well if it is, it's working pretty damn well.

This is from howstuffworks.com

If HEMI engines have all these advantages, why aren't all engines using hemispherical heads? It's because there are even better configurations available today.

Name one.

You can't because the true hemi design is the best there is. Period. The Hemi chamber is the most effecient design available. The hemi makes more power than any other combustion chamber design.

Face it, the HEMI wouldn't be the choice of Top Fuel Dragsters if there were better designs. 'nuff said.
Hemi usage in dragsters is because the race is limited to 2 valves per head, therefore Hemi is the best 2 valves engines that we have.
Actually the Hemi was chosen not because of 2 valves per cylinder. It was chosen because unlike the competing BB ford 427, the Hemi loved to be fed nitro-methane fuel. It made more power and was more reliable than any other racing engine in that class. Mopar could have given it 4 vavles / cylinder and it would still have been used. Hell up until 1954, I believe, they were still using the flathead V8 from Ford.

The fact is it was chosen as the standard engine before any 2 valve per cylinder rule came out. It just happened to be the best engine for that application.
 
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Iron Woode

You can't because the true hemi design is the best there is. Period. The Hemi chamber is the most effecient design available. The hemi makes more power than any other combustion chamber design.

Face it, the HEMI wouldn't be the choice of Top Fuel Dragsters if there were better designs. 'nuff said.

multivalve, emissions.

That is all.
😕

yes the hemi would have failed to pass stricter emmissions testing after 1971. It was a racing engine detuned for the street.

Multi-valves would have been interesting on the hemi. A SOHC version was built. But even with 2 valves/cylinder the hemi can out flow just about anything. For Mopar's purpose, this engine was for winning races, not fuel economy or emmissions. That is why it came with dual 4bbl carbs. It didn't need it on the street, but it allowed the egine to have more than enough airflow for stock and superstock racing.
 
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