Help with my build plz

[Tidekilla115]

How is the r9 380 compared to the gtx 950?

 

[Yuriman]

On Anandtech's homepage, you can compare different video cards using the "bench" link. R9 380 is a lot faster than a GTX 950. I think it was only suggested because you've already well overshot your budget. R9 380 is somewhere between a GTX 960 and 970 in terms of performance, if I remember correctly, but is less power efficient. It has excellent performance per dollar though, and is not a bad choice.

H110 will have integrated video and audio. WiFi is on a per-board basis - it's not a feature of the chipset, but rather up to the manufacturer to implement. You'll find that WiFi is generally only offered in ITX sized boards.

If you have an ATX case (which you've picked out) you have the option of a microATX motherboard, which is a larger size and can be a little cheaper. ITX motherboards are small-form-factor and will leave an ATX case mostly empty. Or, you might opt for a smaller ITX case to go with your ITX motherboard, as I did with my build. You sometimes have to be careful that your chosen ITX case will be long enough to fit your choice of video card, though.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks. I used yalls input and came up with this as for the board I guess I'll just go cable instead of wireless for wifi but what do y'all think of this one? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Tidekilla115/saved/nr2v6h

 

[Tidekilla115]

It's 424$ which I can stretch to and the graphics card is better but will I have to worry about bottle necking with this build? Also I compared the 6100 to the 4400 on CPU boss and they said that the differance wasn't huge and the 4400 is half the cost of the 6100.

 

[Yuriman]

The i3 is higher clocked (not by much), has hyperthreading (can process 4 threads instead of 2), and supports AVX instructions (which are HUGE in scientific computing, but rarely used by games).

There are cases where an i3 6100 can be significantly faster than the Pentium, and others where you'll see virtually no difference. It really depends on what you're doing. In something like Battlefield 4 64-player online, the i3 would provide a significantly better experience than the Pentium, but you're giving up a lot of GPU power to hit the same pricepoint, meaning your experience in GPU-limited games will not be as good. I'm normally an advocate of spending more on a CPU and less on a GPU because CPUs don't become obsolete nearly as quickly, but I don't think there's really a wrong choice here.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks most of the games I was looking at seem to be less CPU reliant so I think I am going to go with the pentium and start buying stuff after next week cause its spring break

 

[Tidekilla115]

Also do I need to get a better CPU cooler if I want to over clock? And I didn't include fans for the case is that something I have to get special for that case or something I can rig up from harbor freight?

 

[Yuriman]

You can't overclock a Pentium, that's reserved for i5-K and i7-K CPUs (generally). The included cooler is plenty adequate for normal operation.

PC fans are of a specific size, but you can find them online pretty easily. I doubt Harbor Freight would have anything that fits.

From the case's description on Newegg:

Excellent Cooling Performance One 120mm preinstalled fan in front, one 92mm optional fan in rear, one 120mm optional fan in side panel ensure excellent ventilation and system cooling for all your needs. Plus, the simple yet elegant mesh front panel allows for increased airflow through the case.

I think a single 120mm blowing in, and your power supply exhausting air should be sufficient.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks

 

[mvbighead]

The i3 is higher clocked (not by much), has hyperthreading (can process 4 threads instead of 2), and supports AVX instructions (which are HUGE in scientific computing, but rarely used by games).

There are cases where an i3 6100 can be significantly faster than the Pentium, and others where you'll see virtually no difference. It really depends on what you're doing. In something like Battlefield 4 64-player online, the i3 would provide a significantly better experience than the Pentium, but you're giving up a lot of GPU power to hit the same pricepoint, meaning your experience in GPU-limited games will not be as good. I'm normally an advocate of spending more on a CPU and less on a GPU because CPUs don't become obsolete nearly as quickly, but I don't think there's really a wrong choice here.

If it's me... and future upgrades are an option, I don't spend anything more than the $65 for the Pentium. When more is needed, an i5 with 4 real cores is a simple drop in upgrade.

I am not sure why you suggested that CPU upgrades are more complicated than GPU... pop out, pop in... done.

The nice thing about that cheap CPU is it can be very close to the i3 and cost pretty much half as much, which allows his budget to go further. Spending $130 or so on an i3 is not going to do as much as the extra $60 or so on the GPU.

Honestly, for me, if I am building a system it is either a Pentium or an i5 simply because of value. The i3, IMO, is just a slightly faster Pentium with HyperThreading... for pretty much twice as much.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Will I have any problem with bottle necking with the pentium and the r9 380?

 

[Denithor]

Do you mind used parts? I have built quite a few solid gaming machines from "recycled" Dell machines with selected replacement parts.

Start with something like this Dell OptiPlex 990 with an i5-2400/500GB/W7 for $200.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optipl...863319?hash=item3abda5ce97:g:sAQAAOSwUuFWw7JQ

Then add these:
2x4GB DDR3-1600 $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148719
Corsair 500W modular PSU $35AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139050
HD 7950 $125
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VisionTek-H...580242?hash=item33b2a66092:g:fCAAAOSwPc9W1ykS

This meets your $400 target, barely. By far the most gaming performance you're going to get at this price point. If you have extra cash you can add an SSD, which definitely helps general snappiness, but doesn't really do much in-game.

One note - this Dell case has an HDD cage built in that blocks long GPU from being installed. You have to drill out the rivets holding it to remove. Long drill bit is your friend. Pull everything out of case, drill out rivets, pull out cage, reassemble with old and new parts, enjoy.

 

[mvbighead]

Will I have any problem with bottle necking with the pentium and the r9 380?

At some point, probably. But no matter what you do with anything, at some point, some part of your system is going to limit another.

If you're talking the difference of an i3 to that Pentium, I'd say the i3 is just a little less likely to be a bottle neck. If you're comparing it to an i5, the i5 is far less likely to become your bottleneck.

If you pay $65 for a CPU, you're getting a $65 CPU. It is a darned good value for what it is... but it is still a $65 CPU.

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3T_uWpQ__k

A link to FPS with someone using that pentium with an R9 380 for Batman game.

 

[Tidekilla115]

At some point, probably. But no matter what you do with anything, at some point, some part of your system is going to limit another.

If you're talking the difference of an i3 to that Pentium, I'd say the i3 is just a little less likely to be a bottle neck. If you're comparing it to an i5, the i5 is far less likely to become your bottleneck.

If you pay $65 for a CPU, you're getting a $65 CPU. It is a darned good value for what it is... but it is still a $65 CPU.

Okay I can live with it thanks for the info.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Do you mind used parts? I have built quite a few solid gaming machines from "recycled" Dell machines with selected replacement parts.

Start with something like this Dell OptiPlex 990 with an i5-2400/500GB/W7 for $200.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optipl...863319?hash=item3abda5ce97:g:sAQAAOSwUuFWw7JQ

Then add these:
2x4GB DDR3-1600 $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148719
Corsair 500W modular PSU $35AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139050
HD 7950 $125
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VisionTek-H...580242?hash=item33b2a66092:g:fCAAAOSwPc9W1ykS

This meets your $400 target, barely. By far the most gaming performance you're going to get at this price point. If you have extra cash you can add an SSD, which definitely helps general snappiness, but doesn't really do much in-game.

One note - this Dell case has an HDD cage built in that blocks long GPU from being installed. You have to drill out the rivets holding it to remove. Long drill bit is your friend. Pull everything out of case, drill out rivets, pull out cage, reassemble with old and new parts, enjoy.

No I don't I'm going to try to find all the parts I can used.Also im pretty good at fabricating and I have a dell case(dimension e521) but my question is it worth modifying or would it be better to get a case like the fracture which is more breathable and has more options for fans?

 

[mvbighead]

No I don't I'm going to try to find all the parts I can used.Also im pretty good at fabricating and I have a dell case(dimension e521) but my question is it worth modifying or would it be better to get a case like the fracture which is more breathable and has more options for fans?

Just a word of warning, your upgrade options are going to be VERY limited with that platform. Old CPUs you won't be able to find, if the board bites the dust... good luck. Etc.

 

[Denithor]

If you can make the old case work, go for it. You aren't overclocking like crazy or anything so the fan setup should be adequate for the typical heat you will be dissipating in there.

And note, with my option posted above, you will definitely have to do some modding to fit the GPU in.

 

[Tidekilla115]

I think I'll go with the build you suggested mvbighead I was just asking about a case I already have

 

[Tidekilla115]

I've been watching some videos and it's impressive what the pentium can do.and you can over clock them but everyone who was doing it was doing it on a z170 but they had them all the way to 4.6 ghz. But it didn't seem to change the fps much just a couple frames on average

 

[mvbighead]

I've been watching some videos and it's impressive what the pentium can do.and you can over clock them but everyone who was doing it was doing it on a z170 but they had them all the way to 4.6 ghz. But it didn't seem to change the fps much just a couple frames on average

Pretty much goes to show that the limiting factor in gaming is almost always the GPU. I bet you push a 10-15% overclock on the GPU, and you'll see a good bit more than a few FPS difference.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks and I think I'll go with the radeon 380 instead of the gtx950 since its just 20$ bucks more.

 

[Tidekilla115]

I just ordered my board and CPU I went with the Pentium 3258 and the asus B85m-g r 2.0 it was a combo deal for 99$.I have my power source I got a corsair rm 650 my buddy upgraded and gave me his. I bought a Samsung 2 tb hardrive brand new off Craigslist for 50$. So I'm off and I will continue collecting and I'll let yall know as I go along let me know of anything I should worry about thanks

 

[lehtv]

Looks good :thumbsup:. Can easily upgrade the pentium later on to i5/i7. You will probably run into some bottlenecking with R9 380 and AMD drivers especially. GTX 950 would have stringent CPU requirements

650W is definitely overkill for this build but can't complain about free stuff

 

[Tidekilla115]

Yeah no I can't complain about it either and I figure it will last me a long time. Also this proccesor according to every thing I read are overclockable. but Supposedly i can't upgrade to windows 10 because every body was saying they put a update out for bios's with windows 10 not allowing you to overclock. Is this true because some people say you can others say you can't?

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok I got the rest of my stuff ordered I went with the sapphire r9 380x , 2x8 1600mhz ddr3 240 pin ram, windows 7 pro 64 bit os and the fractal design 1000 3.0 case. I'm super excited as this is my first pc build and it's awsome to see it coming together