Help with my build plz

[Tidekilla115]

Tnis is the build I am in the process of ,Asrock fm2a88x extreme 6+, athlon amd x4 860k, 1 terabyte hard drive make?, Samsung 750 evo 250 gb ssd, Samsung 2 x 4gb ram,500w power supply make ?, amd r9 380, I will be mostly playing WaW,fallout4,BO3,sniper elite, sniper elite nazi zombie army and ark survival evolved. My price cap is 400$ if you have any suggestions for it plz let me know. Thanks

 

[Denithor]

I see you figured it out.

I would still suggest you fill out the questionnaire as it will help us give better recommendations.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=80121

Personally I couldn't recommend an AMD CPU for a serious gaming rig but that's just my opinion. And performance may drastically improve with DX12, however it will take time for use to become widespread in games (and it simply won't happen for most games already available today).

 

[Tidekilla115]

Yeah I did thanks but I didnt find the questionnaire but I'll try the link you just posted thanks again

 

[Tidekilla115]

1. Gaming and streaming

2. Max 400

3. US

4. No

5. I prefer amd but I am not closed minded

6. I have a icool 430w power source asus DVD CDROM drive a dimension e521 case and a Samsung 24 inch 720p moniter and a 400gb hardrive but I am going to get a bigger one and hopefully a ssd

7. Not much within 10%

8. My moniter is 720p I have an hd tv but it is 60 inches so I doubt I'll use it for this.

9. I'm hoping to start gathering by next week 10. I'm not sure yet if I'll get windows or use Linux.


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[Tidekilla115]

This was the one you were refering to?

 

[Tidekilla115]

Since I keep hearing intel is the way to go how is the intel i3 6100 & 6300

 

[Tidekilla115]

They are the only ones I could find that I can afford maybe their is more I missed? And what else would I have to change for this build just the board and ram? Or the graphics card to?

 

[mvbighead]

As far as I am aware, there are a limited amount of games available to Linux, so you'd likely be best served with Windows. However, Windows requires the purchase of a license, which eats up $80 of your budget pretty much instantly. Fallout4 does not appear to have any Linux support yet, so lets assume you have to use Windows.

A Dell case is not likely to help you as they quite frequently build the IO panel into the case, limiting what you can put in there without jerry rigging it.

I've not heard of icool as a PSU vendor, so I would not suggest re-using that at all.

With all those things said:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BvCtcf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BvCtcf/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.28 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($108.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($87.95 @ OutletPC)
Total: $397.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-02 16:31 EST-0500

That's the best I can do with your $400 budget. It leaves you with...

a) an easy upgrade path to a skylake i5 in the future.
b) an easy upgrade path to 16GB dual ddr4 in the future
c) no SSD (but you can upgrade later)

There may be a better GPU, but it's very difficult to fit what you want in that budget.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks but Id prefer somthing with a quad core and a board with built in wifi and I have windows 7 home that I can use I was just wondering if windows 10 was worth buying over using 7 or Linux

 

[Tidekilla115]

This was my build I asked about first https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Tidekilla115/saved/tTX48d

 

[Tidekilla115]

It's not as much storage as I wanted but between the 250g ssd and the 400g hard drive I have it should be enough.

 

[Tidekilla115]

I forgot my mother board sorry lol

 

[Tidekilla115]

Here it is https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Tidekilla115/saved/tTX48d

 

[Tidekilla115]

That's closer to 500 but I can probably stretch for it

 

[lehtv]

You can edit posts, no need to post 6 in a row .

With such a low budget you shouldn't spend $90 on a motherboard, especially when the case you've picked supports much cheaper microATX boards. Also, don't buy FM2 - AM3+ makes more sense when you don't have any use for the integrated graphics of FM2 processors. Though Intel Skylake makes the most sense to me.

If by "streaming" you mean streaming gameplay to twitch.tv, or something of that sort, I would suggest streaming with GPU hardware so that the CPU doesn't slow down in games. AMD can do this with the Gaming Evolved app, NVIDIA with ShadowPlay. I can't say for sure which works better but I would rather go with NVIDIA personally, ShadowPlay has been around longer and I don't need the GE app for anything (currently running an R9 390).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($122.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card ($150.77 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $478.70

It's true though that the R9 380 2GB is faster, so go with that if you want to try streaming with the Gaming Evolved app. If you can stretch it for the 4GB version for $170 AR, that'd be even better.

This PC can take some pretty nice upgrades in the future:
- Intel Skylake (or with future BIOS updates, Kaby Lake) i5 or i7 CPU
- 500W PSU with 2x8pin PCIe connectors can run basically any ~200W card easily
- case also supports very long graphics cards, and case cooling can be upgraded with rear and side fans for cooling more powerful parts
- motherboard supports any new generation graphics card for as long as the CPUs in this socket aren't obsolete performance-wise (thanks to PCIe 3.0 which you don't see in the cheaper AMD boards)
- 2x8GB or even 2x16GB DDR4-2133

edit Only now noticed you run a 720p monitor. GTX 950 2GB is plenty for that resolution. R9 380 4GB is still faster, obviously, but the extra VRAM won't really help until you upgrade to 1080p.

edit2 If you plan to go Linux then go with NVIDIA graphics, their Linux support is better.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks and I'm new didn't know I could edit posts thanks. And is the 6100 dual core really worth 45$ more the the 860k quad core?

 

[Tidekilla115]

If it was the same price I wouldn't be so reluctant but 45$ more for an older slower proccesor?

 

[Tidekilla115]

If intel is relly that much better how about the i5 2500 or 2600. I'm forgetting to edit again but anyway this is a low cost build but I will be using it for awhile without an upgrade so I want to build the best that I can afford so I don't mind stretching 20$ for an i5 quad core over an i3 dual core.

 

[lehtv]

Ok thanks and I'm new didn't know I could edit posts thanks. And is the 6100 dual core really worth 45$ more the the 860k quad core?

860K is basically as fast as FX-4300, maybe FX-4350. i3-6100 is a little bit faster than i3-4360 (same GHz but newer tech, not a big difference).

Here's FX-4350 vs i3-4360: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1197?vs=1273

In multithreaded apps they're neck and neck, so the 860K offers much better value there. But in single threaded apps, the faster Intel cores really shine, with some apps showing nearly a doubling in performance.

That combined with the benefits of LGA1151 over FM2+ is why I would much rather buy the i3. O

 

[lehtv]

If it was the same price I wouldn't be so reluctant but 45$ more for an older slower proccesor?

i3-6100 is not older and slower but newer and faster...

If intel is relly that much better how about the i5 2500 or 2600. I'm forgetting to edit again but anyway this is a low cost build but I will be using it for awhile without an upgrade so I want to build the best that I can afford so I don't mind stretching 20$ for an i5 quad core over an i3 dual core.

Sure if you can find a used LGA1155 i5 set at a good price, go for it. I would not pay more than $100 for a 2500K though, even less for a non-K. Ivy Bridge is worth a little more, Haswell much more (used prices).

 

[mvbighead]

If intel is relly that much better how about the i5 2500 or 2600

Those are older gens, and therefor slower.

Intel has been ahead of AMD for a while. You can look at core count and GHz speed all day long, but that doesn't tell you the full story on performance. There is much to be gained from technological improvements outside of those two markers.

Your proposed CPU vs what I suggested:
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G4400-vs-AMD-Athlon-X4-860K

For gaming performance, you definitely want multi-core, but there comes a point where single core performance is more impactful than having more cores.

As to i3/i5 etc, it simply does not fit the budget you have laid out.

The system I posted above fits your budget, and leaves you with a working component in every aspect. Then, simply throw bolts ons in along the way (the first being the SSD IMO). The other thing is that you'd be spending $65 on a CPU with fairly good performance, that could easily be replaced later by something with REALLY good performance:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G4400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600

The single core performance is just slightly in favor of the i5, so your biggest improvements would be from games hitting more than 2 cores.

If all I had was $400, I'd likely go the route I posted as it puts you on the latest Intel platform with an easy upgrade path.

Now, if you throw more $$$$ at your build, you can bump a good number of things in the right direction.

Lastly, if your Win7 tag is legit and you can get it activated, you should be able to upgrade to Win10 for free still. With that money, I'd likely look at a better GPU, and upgrade to an SSD in the future... actually, you could just about squeeze one in the SSD with an extra 20/30:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PZz9sY
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PZz9sY/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.28 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB SSC ACX 2.0 Video Card ($163.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $429.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-03 09:39 EST-0500

 

[Tidekilla115]

Well that shows my ignorance both of those dual cores are better then 860k. Well thanks for that guys

 

[Yuriman]

An 860K isn't necessarily a bad choice - it's less expensive than an i3, but the i3 is definitely a faster CPU. AMD's cores are about 2/3 as fast as Intel's right now, but you get more of them, while with the i3 you get hyperthreading, which makes it a "4 thread" CPU, or a virtual quad core. Many games depend on per-core performance and thus even though you have more cores with AMD, performance is often lower. The question is, will it matter? Going with the cheaper CPU leaves you more budget for other items, and that's for you to decide. I, personally, would recommend an i3 6100 for a budget gaming system if your wallet allows for it, because CPUs are harder to upgrade that GPUs.

My suggestion - your 860K build on pcpartpicker looks decent, but you'll probably have a better overall experience with a more expensive i3 paired with a less expensive H110 motherboard, which should come out to around the same price. You could also stick with the Athlon and go with a cheaper motherboard to save money.

You can probably get away with a smaller power supply, if it saves you any money; 400-450w should be more than sufficient, because Intel CPUs draw less power.

Cheap motherboards will only have 2 RAM slots. Going with paired RAM will give you slightly better performance now, but you won't have any RAM slots open for an upgrade later, so you might choose instead to go with 1x 8GB rather than 2x 4GB.

 

[Tidekilla115]

Ok thanks for that. I think I will go with an i3 or pentiumand go to to a cheaper board and 1x8 instead of my proposed

 

[Tidekilla115]

So the h110 has built in wifi and audio right?