Help the Swiftboat Vets

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I've listened to John O'Neill several times and I've come to the conclusion that he's legit.

No he's not. He's a lying sack of crap. You must be easily manipulated.

He and the other Swiftboat vets have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

What do they have to lose? Besides all credibility and whatever shred of dignity they had left?

I'm convinced that they are just doing they're doing their patriotic duty by informing voters about the real John Kerry.

If you mean "patriotic duty" to carry out Bush's dirty little smear campaign I guess you got that right.

Here's a link if you want to make a contribution:

Link

No thanks. Personally I'm giving a one-finger salute to this 527 and every other 527 out there. Screw 'em -- I hope McCain and Feingold revisit the campaign finance laws and close this stupid little loophole.

 

[rextilleon]

The only help those right wing whackos deserve is the tow of my foot against their lying as*es

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Riprorin
This isn't about politics.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Rip, this scum bag smear job junta is about as non-partisan and apolitical as you are! :laugh:

So are you suggesting that all of the 250 or so members of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are republicans?

Don't think so.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: dudeguy
rip - are you a parody?

I've asked him before and he claims not to be. It's hard to believe, considering what a strong advocate he is (inadvertantly or not) for the wisdom of the Democratic party.

If the Dems weren't afraid of the Swift vets and there weren't any merit to their allegations, why are they taking such great pains to try to shut them down?

For the very same reason we bother to answer your stupid questions. To stop the lies. See how simple it is?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

These guys are fighting on principle, and that's a powerful thing.

Well, they are fighting on what they say are principles, at least circa 2004. Let's look back, though, at how they felt prior to receiving generous funding from Texas Republicans (these are just the men who actually appeared in the first SBVFT commercial):

LT CDR Elliott (to me the saddest of the SBVFT) in 1969: "In a combat environment often requiring decisive action, Lt JG Kerry was unsurpassed." In 1996: "The fact that he chased an armed enemy down is not something to be looked down upon, but it was an act of courage. And the whole outfit served with honor."

R ADM Roy Hoffmann, 2003, on Kerry's earning the Silver Star: "It took guts, and I admire that."

CDR Adrian Lonsdale, 1996: Spoke of the "bravado and courage of the young officers that ran the swift boats," and said "Senator Kerry was no exception. He was among the finest of those swift boat drivers."

Principle is one thing. Principle + capital is another, apparently.

 

[arsbanned]

More lies from the liars. *shrug* Swiftboat Liars for more Lies.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: dudeguy
rip - are you a parody?

I've asked him before and he claims not to be. It's hard to believe, considering what a strong advocate he is (inadvertantly or not) for the wisdom of the Democratic party.

If the Dems weren't afraid of the Swift vets and there weren't any merit to their allegations, why are they taking such great pains to try to shut them down?

For the very same reason we bother to answer your stupid questions. To stop the lies. See how simple it is?

As these guys will not be silenced by Kerry's threats and his attempt to get their book banned, the American people will decide for themselves who's lying, won't they?

 

[arsbanned]

THey should be silenced because they are LIARS. SWIFTBOAT LIARS.

 

[nageov3t]

this whole thing just makes me really tired.

I wish both canidates would stfu and focus on discussing the real issues.

 

[Todd33]

No doubt right wing idiots who whorship Rush will buy the book. I'm glad swing voters will not. The ad will also backfire, the media has turned against them, they get caught in lie after lie.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Riprorin

These guys are fighting on principle, and that's a powerful thing.

Well, they are fighting on what they say are principles, at least circa 2004. Let's look back, though, at how they felt prior to receiving generous funding from Texas Republicans (these are just the men who actually appeared in the first SBVFT commercial):

LT CDR Elliott (to me the saddest of the SBVFT) in 1969: "In a combat environment often requiring decisive action, Lt JG Kerry was unsurpassed." In 1996: "The fact that he chased an armed enemy down is not something to be looked down upon, but it was an act of courage. And the whole outfit served with honor."

R ADM Roy Hoffmann, 2003, on Kerry's earning the Silver Star: "It took guts, and I admire that."

CDR Adrian Lonsdale, 1996: Spoke of the "bravado and courage of the young officers that ran the swift boats," and said "Senator Kerry was no exception. He was among the finest of those swift boat drivers."

Principle is one thing. Principle + capital is another, apparently.

250+ decorated Vets from both political parties and independents were bought off? You aren't serious, are you?

Now 6 or 7 vets would be believable.

Have you ever written a performance appraisal? I have and my inititial assessment of an employee has occasionally been faulty.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

250+ decorated Vets from both political parties and independents were bought off? You aren't serious, are you?

Now 6 or 7 vets would be beleiveable.

You've brought this lameness up before, so old.

Yep, it's amazing how much the Oil Thugs are willing to throw money around and the poor saps that are willing to take it. Sad

 

[Todd33]

How many of those 250 have any first hand experience with Kerry in Vietnam? It's a group of disgruntled vets, mad about the testomony. It has nothing to do with who it fit or unfit, it's about who has a grudge. Of the dozen or so that have personal stories about the medals, they have been caught lying, flip-flopping or just have their word against Navy records and other first hand accounts. Rip, give it up.

 

[arsbanned]

250 "decorated" Vets now is it. More lies from the Swiftless LIARS.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
250 "decorated" Vets now is it. More lies from the Swiftless LIARS.

:thumbsup:

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
250 "decorated" Vets now is it. More lies from the Swiftless LIARS.

That's my words. I think you're getting desperate when you start arguing about how many decorations they have.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Todd33
How many of those 250 have any first hand experience with Kerry in Vietnam? It's a group of disgruntled vets, mad about the testomony. It has nothing to do with who it fit or unfit, it's about who has a grudge. Of the dozen or so that have personal stories about the medals, they have been caught lying, flip-flopping or just have their word against Navy records and other first hand accounts. Rip, give it up.

Well, it looks the American people will decide who's lying.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Riprorin

These guys are fighting on principle, and that's a powerful thing.

Well, they are fighting on what they say are principles, at least circa 2004. Let's look back, though, at how they felt prior to receiving generous funding from Texas Republicans (these are just the men who actually appeared in the first SBVFT commercial):

LT CDR Elliott (to me the saddest of the SBVFT) in 1969: "In a combat environment often requiring decisive action, Lt JG Kerry was unsurpassed." In 1996: "The fact that he chased an armed enemy down is not something to be looked down upon, but it was an act of courage. And the whole outfit served with honor."

R ADM Roy Hoffmann, 2003, on Kerry's earning the Silver Star: "It took guts, and I admire that."

CDR Adrian Lonsdale, 1996: Spoke of the "bravado and courage of the young officers that ran the swift boats," and said "Senator Kerry was no exception. He was among the finest of those swift boat drivers."

Principle is one thing. Principle + capital is another, apparently.

BTW, O'Neill is donating his proceeds from the book to charity.

So, he's getting no money plus he's getting beat up and smeared daily by Kerry operatives.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

250+ decorated Vets from both political parties and independents were bought off? You aren't serious, are you?

Now 6 or 7 vets would be believable.

Have you ever written a performance appraisal? I have and my inititial assessment of an employee has occasionally been faulty.

Nice job ignoring the content of my post, because you can't explain it. I don't think the 1996 or 2003 comments were made in connection with performance appraisals, unless the Navy is SEVERELY backlogged! What do you make of those?

To answer your question, yes, I have written military performance appraisals. It's something that's taken very seriously indeed, particularly for officers. By the time I completed the most recent one I did (for a SSgt), it had been vetted by something like 4 Cols, 2 Lt Cols, 2 CMSgts, 1 SMSgt, and 1 MSgt. The entire process took several weeks. I doubt they had the time to work this hard on a wartime OPR, but I know I wouldn't sign a report saying my paralegal was "unsurpassed" if I didn't have good information to that effect.

As for the other members of the SBVT, I think they hate Kerry, and have for decades, because of their feelings about his postwar statements. As a fellow military member, I respect and even admire what he said (and I think most of the VN vets on this board, including CaptKirk, WinstonSmith, and others would agree), but I'm not surprised it engendered some anger in these people. Most of them never worked directly with him, but now they have an opportunity to get attention and money by publically criticizing him. That doesn't impress me at all.

As I said before, I think LT CDR Elliott is the saddest of all of them, since his Kerry comments have run the gamut: 1969 - "Kerry is the exception, and a stellar commander." 1996 - "Kerry was brave and served with honor." 2004 - "Kerry is a liar and not fit to lead." 2004 - "I regret what I said about Sen Kerry - he was a great sailor and served with distinction." 2004 - "No, I was right before - he is untrustworthy and unfit to be President. I won't be interviewed anymore on this issue."

 

[arsbanned]

That's my words.

Here's my words: The Swiftboat people are lying and so are you when you say "250 decorated Vets". Lying. Period. Of course your hero, President Bush, would applaud you, I'm sure. But anyone with integrity can see this smear campaign against Kerry is all lies, and you have further illustrated that.

 

[Riprorin]

There are plenty of threads were the particulars are being debated. That's not my intent here.

 

[rickn]

not maybe a month or two ago I got a letter from the republican party asking for my contribution. I hope that 5 cent knickel lasts

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

That's my words.

Here's my words: The Swiftboat people are lying and so are you when you say "250 decorated Vets". Lying. Period. Of course your hero, President Bush, would applaud you, I'm sure. But anyone with integrity can see this smear campaign against Kerry is all lies, and you have further illustrated that.

Like I've said, the American people will be the final arbiters on who's lying. Despite Kerry's attempt to silence them, they ARE going to tell their side of the story.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
There are plenty of threads were the particulars are being debated. That's not my intent here.

Okay, but how about indulging me? Surely if you're promoting people making donations to the SBVT, you'd help their cause by making an effort to support them in light of the concerns I raised.

I think the previous quotes I mentioned may give people pause about supporting them, and since you seem to their their cause is a noble one, you owe it to the SBVT to respond IMO, at risk of losing financial support for them.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: dudeguy
rip - are you a parody?

I've asked him before and he claims not to be. It's hard to believe, considering what a strong advocate he is (inadvertantly or not) for the wisdom of the Democratic party.

If the Dems weren't afraid of the Swift vets and there weren't any merit to their allegations, why are they taking such great pains to try to shut them down?

For the very same reason we bother to answer your stupid questions. To stop the lies. See how simple it is?

As these guys will not be silenced by Kerry's threats and his attempt to get their book banned, the American people will decide for themselves who's lying, won't they?

Boy are you going to be surprised come November. Check out Dub's resume:



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