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Help my wife choose

DawsonsDada

Senior member
Hi All,

My wife has asked me to find out about two different programs and help her pick one to use so she can work out at home. She is a stay at home mom with two little ACTIVE boys! She saw some infomercials for Core rythms and 10 minute trainer

Has anyone heard of/used these programs? She will not go to a gym/workout at a gym becuase of a very bad experience she had before we met. She just wants something that will help her lose some weight that doesn't take all day and require all kinds of equipment to do.

Anyay, I figured I would ask for help/advice here. Any ideas/suggestions would be appreicated.


Thanks!
 
how about getting a simple double-jogging stoller and walking/light jogging? with 2 active boys, they'll destroy the house when she is trying to workout.
 
Originally posted by: DawsonsDada
Hi All,

My wife has asked me to find out about two different programs and help her pick one to use so she can work out at home. She is a stay at home mom with two little ACTIVE boys! She saw some infomercials for Core rythms and 10 minute trainer

Has anyone heard of/used these programs? She will not go to a gym/workout at a gym becuase of a very bad experience she had before we met. She just wants something that will help her lose some weight that doesn't take all day and require all kinds of equipment to do.

Anyay, I figured I would ask for help/advice here. Any ideas/suggestions would be appreicated.


Thanks!

Best way is to eat right, do aerobic exercises, no-impact elliptical machines, cycling, or treadmill are best. You don't need all of them, just pick one, and stick by it, doing some free weight exercise (usually 5-10lbs) using those video trainers will generally work.
 
How about a home gym? If you have the room, it's pretty good. Just get a rack, barbell, and some plates. You can do Crossfit pretty well with just a little equipment. Start her off on the buttercup or pup scaling.
 
How about just setting up a bodyweight routine for her?

I have thought about/talked with her about it. She says that she wants to try one of these first since she doesn't know what she is doing. We have thought about getting a personal trainer to come up with an "at home/body weight" workout but she isn't interested in doing that, yet.

She doesn't want to read a magazine or a book to learn how to do it though.

Good idea though! Will keep it in mind for the future.
 
how about getting a simple double-jogging stoller and walking/light jogging? with 2 active boys, they'll destroy the house when she is trying to workout.

Have one of those that we/I use on the weekends when we can get outside. We home school the oldest and he is going to participate (where he can) as a part of his P.E. class. He thinks of it more as "play" time than anything else which is good.

I have asked her about getting a bicycle to ride with a seat for the youngest since there are some old train tracks that have been convereted into bike paths near here. No luck on that yet, but I think once the weather is nicer on a regular basis she will consider it more.

Right now we go out as a family and walk for 20~30 minutes each evening after dinner. It is some time for me to relax and spend time with my family that they don't really consider exercise. It is a start at least though.
 
How about a home gym? If you have the room, it's pretty good. Just get a rack, barbell, and some plates. You can do Crossfit pretty well with just a little equipment. Start her off on the buttercup or pup scaling.

We have talked about those but currently don't have the space for them since we are in an apartment.

The apartment we have has an exercise room with them in it but we have been "discouraged" (read: told) not to use them becuase our boys are too young to be in there even with a parent.

I have been looking at crossfit myself recently and even doing it on the "easiest" level is not something I could get her to participate in; at the moment. As time goes on I think it would be a possibility though.
 
Originally posted by: katank
How about a home gym? If you have the room, it's pretty good. Just get a rack, barbell, and some plates. You can do Crossfit pretty well with just a little equipment. Start her off on the buttercup or pup scaling.

Don't have the room since we are in an apartment. Plus my wife is not interested (yet) in weight training. I think once she starts seeing results she will be more interested.
 
Thanks for all the ideas everyone!!!!

They are definately "food" for thought! I will be showing this to my wife tonight when I get home so please keep up the suggestions!
 
FWIW, women work out exactly the same as men. My wife does everything that I do at the gym including deadlifts. She weighs 100 lbs and pulls 3x5x135
 
Meh, those products in the infomercials will not do much of anything for her, if anything at all. As TallBill said above me, women should do the same workouts as men. For someone who is new to working out that means a beginners strength training program is probably best, with optional cardio mixed in. Look into stronglifts 5x5 beginners program - http://stronglifts.com/strongl...ngth-training-program/ - she can go to the gym while you stay at home and watch the boys. It's also very user friendly - it was designed with the thought in mind that many people who would do it have never lifted a weight before.

Also keep in mind diet is VERY IMPORTANT. If she wants to lose weight she should eat less than maintenance calories (recommended value is 500 calorie deficit) and should be eating whole foods. Meals should consist of a complex carb, lean meat (or another source of protein), and source of fat. Keep all processed foods out - if it doesn't rot, then don't eat it. She could probably lose a reasonable amount of weight only by keeping her diet in check.
 
Wow guys, we need a reality check in this thread. This woman is looking into getting back in shape and some of you are saying cardio is OPTIONAL? are you guys off your f'ing rockers? She doesn't need to do stronglifts/crossfit or whatever. If she just wants to get back in shape a good cardio workout with some light lifting for toning works great. My girlfriend personally does this, a ton of cardio with Pilates and very light lifting. She has a great body from doing this and has an incredible amount of energy throughout the day.

I think you guys have burning fat/building muscle to a science, but don't delude yourselves. Cardio workouts are impossible to replace in promoting your overall health, and a person can very easily get toned without doing stronglifts/crossfits/maxing weight.


 
Originally posted by: CLite
Wow guys, we need a reality check in this thread. This woman is looking into getting back in shape and some of you are saying cardio is OPTIONAL? are you guys off your f'ing rockers? She doesn't need to do stronglifts/crossfit or whatever. If she just wants to get back in shape a good cardio workout with some light lifting for toning works great. My girlfriend personally does this, a ton of cardio with Pilates and very light lifting. She has a great body from doing this and has an incredible amount of energy throughout the day.

I think you guys have burning fat/building muscle to a science, but don't delude yourselves. Cardio workouts are impossible to replace in promoting your overall health, and a person can very easily get toned without doing stronglifts/crossfits/maxing weight.

"Tone" first of all isn't a term you should be using. Tone isn't a function of exercise often times, but rather a function of body fat % and therefore a function of mainly diet. And you can come in here saying that, but we do know the science behind it. I know girls who ONLY lift and they have fantastic bodies. If she wants to look better and have a firmer body, then lifting will allow her to keep her current muscle mass while losing the fat alone. She wants to improve her overall health so cardio is encouraged, but it is not necessary for these goals. I believe, sir, it is you who needs to reevaluate what you think is right. We know what we say works. Cardio works, but often times people are disappointed by the results due to maintaining a certain amount of flab. That's because they lose muscle mass as well. Think about it.
 
Originally posted by: CLite
Wow guys, we need a reality check in this thread. This woman is looking into getting back in shape and some of you are saying cardio is OPTIONAL? are you guys off your f'ing rockers? She doesn't need to do stronglifts/crossfit or whatever. If she just wants to get back in shape a good cardio workout with some light lifting for toning works great. My girlfriend personally does this, a ton of cardio with Pilates and very light lifting. She has a great body from doing this and has an incredible amount of energy throughout the day.

I think you guys have burning fat/building muscle to a science, but don't delude yourselves. Cardio workouts are impossible to replace in promoting your overall health, and a person can very easily get toned without doing stronglifts/crossfits/maxing weight.

yes, cardio is indeed optional. Doing the compound lifts, like the squat, will make her stronger, and thus improve her endurance. It is pretty much the most efficient use of her time, as a sedentary person. There is nothing deadly about going into the gym and doing some compound lifts. After she begins to stall in Stronglifts she can always go into something else. Now she just has the base strength, which will aid her greatly in whatever she wants to do.
 
Originally posted by: CLite
Wow guys, we need a reality check in this thread. This woman is looking into getting back in shape and some of you are saying cardio is OPTIONAL? are you guys off your f'ing rockers? She doesn't need to do stronglifts/crossfit or whatever. If she just wants to get back in shape a good cardio workout with some light lifting for toning works great. My girlfriend personally does this, a ton of cardio with Pilates and very light lifting. She has a great body from doing this and has an incredible amount of energy throughout the day.

I think you guys have burning fat/building muscle to a science, but don't delude yourselves. Cardio workouts are impossible to replace in promoting your overall health, and a person can very easily get toned without doing stronglifts/crossfits/maxing weight.

Ok, but all "light lifting" is doing is aerobic and maybe some anaerobic exercise (with high reps). There is no point, doing a focused aerobic workout would be easier and more effective. Anyone, barring injury, can do strong lifts and see results.

I agree though that cardio shouldn't be skipped, but the fact is that most people don't enjoy it and won't do it.
 
No, cardio is indeed NOT optional. She says she wants exercise, cardio is irreplaceable for that, period. It promotes far more cardiovascular benefit than doing 5 reps of barbell weight training. You are taking this weight lifting to the extreme by discouraging people from cardio and your shit straight stinks.

I used to hurdle and high jump in college and my coach was a huge fan of interval training / barbells/ medicine ball work outs. I think you guys have that stuff well covered and explain it to new people in great detail. It's of great benefit to people looking to get ripped and have full body strength. But you are taking it WAY to far if you are recommending to a grown woman looking to get exercise that cardio workouts are optional.

 
Originally posted by: CLite
No, cardio is indeed NOT optional. She says she wants exercise, cardio is irreplaceable for that, period. It promotes far more cardiovascular benefit than doing 5 reps of barbell weight training. You are taking this weight lifting to the extreme by discouraging people from cardio and your shit straight stinks.

I used to hurdle and high jump in college and my coach was a huge fan of interval training / barbells/ medicine ball work outs. I think you guys have that stuff well covered and explain it to new people in great detail. It's of great benefit to people looking to get ripped and have full body strength. But you are taking it WAY to far if you are recommending to a grown woman looking to get exercise that cardio workouts are optional.

Unless you are training for a sport that requires a high level of aerobic endurance, heavy lifting will provide you with sufficient endurance/cardiovascular health. Check out this: Text
 
Originally posted by: dealmaster00
Originally posted by: CLite
No, cardio is indeed NOT optional. She says she wants exercise, cardio is irreplaceable for that, period. It promotes far more cardiovascular benefit than doing 5 reps of barbell weight training. You are taking this weight lifting to the extreme by discouraging people from cardio and your shit straight stinks.

I used to hurdle and high jump in college and my coach was a huge fan of interval training / barbells/ medicine ball work outs. I think you guys have that stuff well covered and explain it to new people in great detail. It's of great benefit to people looking to get ripped and have full body strength. But you are taking it WAY to far if you are recommending to a grown woman looking to get exercise that cardio workouts are optional.

Unless you are training for a sport that requires a high level of aerobic endurance, heavy lifting will provide you with sufficient endurance/cardiovascular health. Check out this: Text

Ding ding ding. If she wants to improve cardiovascular health as a primary goal, then sure let her at it. If her main goal was to lose some weight and look a bit nicer, the easiest way is going to be resistance training. With interval training, your coach was dramatically increasing your cardiovascular capacity so I'm unsure why this example is in here.

I agree that people should train both with weights and with bodyweight (including cardio). However, I am saying that if she only had time to do one for her goals, then resistance training would be quicker and easier. She could even include high intensity training with weights and hit everything at once. People don't need to train differently. They need to train with differing intensities.
 
Originally posted by: dealmaster00
Originally posted by: CLite
No, cardio is indeed NOT optional. She says she wants exercise, cardio is irreplaceable for that, period. It promotes far more cardiovascular benefit than doing 5 reps of barbell weight training. You are taking this weight lifting to the extreme by discouraging people from cardio and your shit straight stinks.

I used to hurdle and high jump in college and my coach was a huge fan of interval training / barbells/ medicine ball work outs. I think you guys have that stuff well covered and explain it to new people in great detail. It's of great benefit to people looking to get ripped and have full body strength. But you are taking it WAY to far if you are recommending to a grown woman looking to get exercise that cardio workouts are optional.

Unless you are training for a sport that requires a high level of aerobic endurance, heavy lifting will provide you with sufficient endurance/cardiovascular health. Check out this: Text

LOL dude you link some pathetically over the top book about weight lifting. That link is pure shill. Classics quotes from there "weight lifting better for endurance than long aerobic exercises for marathon runners". If you really believe everything in that link then obviously I can't make any headway in this thread.

*edit*
Btw just so we are clear interval training is a cardio workout if you do it for long enough periods. If you wish to do interval training instead of long endurance runs that's fine as long as you are working your heart for a good 15-30 minutes at least.

The only reason I responded to this thread is the retarded "cardio is optional" point someone made earlier.
 
Originally posted by: CLite
LOL dude you link some pathetically over the top book about weight lifting. That link is pure shill. Classics quotes from there "weight lifting better for endurance than long aerobic exercises for marathon runners". If you really believe everything in that link then obviously I can't make any headway in this thread.

*edit*
Btw just so we are clear interval training is a cardio workout if you do it for long enough periods. If you wish to do interval training instead of long endurance runs that's fine as long as you are working your heart for a good 15-30 minutes at least.

The only reason I responded to this thread is the retarded "cardio is optional" point someone made earlier.

To lose the squish and to start looking better, it is. You're not understanding the physiology behind both exercises and how they compare. You're just going off of what mainstream fitness information tells you. Guess what? It's wrong. Read some research and it'll show you that in reference to weight loss in terms of pure body fat, resistance training is optimal compared to cardio. Cardio will allow participants to lose greater overall weight, however that will include significant muscle mass.
 
Ok, let's go over some basics. What people describe as "being fit" or "getting in shape" is really just the the body's adaptations to exercise or diet. These adaptations may include increased muscle-mass, loss of body fat, increased bone density, increased cardiovascular/respitory endurance, increased stamina, more strength, and so on. However, the key thing to understand is that the adaptations will match exactly & specifically the stimulus the body is presented with.

What that really means is that if you do "light" exercise - such as long, slow distance (LSD) walking, jogging, biking, etc (aka "cardio") - your body will make "light" adaptations. The only stimuli that LSD cardio really presents are the need for your body to deliver oxygen and energy to your muscles (usually just the legs) while in the oxidative (aka aerobic) metabolic pathway. Therefore, the primary adaptations that your body will make are those that increase stamina and cardiovascular endurance in the oxidative metabolic pathway. This form of cardio can also burn a decent amount of calories, which your body will respond to by burning up mass (see below). Finally, cardio is relatively easy to learn and low intensity enough that even the most out of shape people can do at least a little.

Now, obviously, all of the above points are beneficial for overall health and athletic performance. However, consider what's missing: training using LSD cardio alone neglects or even leads to decreases in strength, speed, flexibility, power, bone density and even muscle mass (weight lost during cardio consists of not just fat, but muscle too). It also completely ignores all the energy pathways besides the oxidative ones, including phosphagen and and glycolitic, both if which are important for health & performance. Finally, it often only trains a few parts of the body (the legs) while ignoring the rest and workouts typically take a very long time.

This makes LSD cardio an especially dubious choice when considering the alternative: anaerobic training. This includes weight training, gymnastics, plyometrics, and interval training, all of which present a wide variety of stimuli to the body, leading to numerous adaptations which improve strength, power, flexibility, speed, muscle-mass, coordination and so on. Anaerobic training also burns plenty of calories and is essential in maintaining muscle-mass, meaning that the weight lost will be primarily fat. Anaerobic training can also lead to increases in muscle-mass and the "afterburner effect", both of which effectively boost metabolism. Moreover, and this is essential to understand, properly structured anaerobic activity can lead to MASSIVE improvements in aerobic fitness (including stamina & endurance in the oxidative pathway) that typically rival and beat what you can achieve with just LSD cardio. Anyone who has done Tabata intervals, the CF workout "Fran", or 20 rep squats should know exactly what I mean.

In short, anaerobic training lets you achieve all the same goals that "cardio" does, usually in a shorter time and more effectively. It also provides numerous training adaptations that LSD cardio doesn't which are essential whether your goal is weight loss, athletic performance, or overall health. It's certainly not the only choice, but as we all have a finite time in which to exercise, it's probably one of the most effective ones. Of course, one big caveat should be mentioned: no matter what routine you do, diet is going to be an essential component. For more reading on all of this, make sure you read the excellent "What is Fitness?" article.

With all that in mind, a good strength training routine such as Stronglifts or Starting Strength are excellent choices. For overall fitness & health, an even better choice would be Crossfit. Yes, CF may seem extremely hardcore and difficult, but as explained in "What is Crossfit?":

The CrossFit program is designed for universal scalability making it the perfect application for any committed individual regardless of experience. We?ve used our same routines for elderly individuals with heart disease and cage fighters one month out from televised bouts. We scale load and intensity; we don?t change programs.

The needs of Olympic athletes and our grandparents differ by degree not kind. Our terrorist hunters, skiers, mountain bike riders and housewives have found their best fitness from the same regimen.

Of course, to do CF properly, you need access to the proper equipment, which typically means a gym membership. What is this traumatic gym experience she had that prevents her from going? I don't mean to sound like an ass, but it really just sounds like an excuse. Even so, if you really can't get access to any equipment, here is a PDF of CF workouts that use bodyweight or minimal equipment.
 
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: CLite
LOL dude you link some pathetically over the top book about weight lifting. That link is pure shill. Classics quotes from there "weight lifting better for endurance than long aerobic exercises for marathon runners". If you really believe everything in that link then obviously I can't make any headway in this thread.

*edit*
Btw just so we are clear interval training is a cardio workout if you do it for long enough periods. If you wish to do interval training instead of long endurance runs that's fine as long as you are working your heart for a good 15-30 minutes at least.

The only reason I responded to this thread is the retarded "cardio is optional" point someone made earlier.

To lose the squish and to start looking better, it is. You're not understanding the physiology behind both exercises and how they compare. You're just going off of what mainstream fitness information tells you. Guess what? It's wrong. Read some research and it'll show you that in reference to weight loss in terms of pure body fat, resistance training is optimal compared to cardio. Cardio will allow participants to lose greater overall weight, however that will include significant muscle mass.

Sociallychallenged, please link more than two books you base your research on (stronglifts/crossfit????). My experience is based on having been in track for essentially all my years of schooling excluding graduate school. I've known hundreds of cross country runners, Bucknell being a NCAA-div 1 school (albeit patriot league) they were damn good runners. Those cross country runners didn't have high body fat %, in fact they were far lower than any of us track guys who incorporated a lot of weight training and explosive power training (i.e. running with weights/etc.).

You guys sound exactly like people who have just read the Atkins book and run around screaming about how research has proven you don't need carbohydrates. Get a clue, and realize cardio is an exceptional part of a workout and will not leave you "skinny-fat" if you combine it with a healthy diet.

All this said, the OP should definitely have the wife do lifting, it's offers incredible protection against osteoporosis. However, clearly I would recommend against listening to the "strongfit" nuts who just like the Atkins people are steering your wife away from a very important part of a balanced fitness program.


 
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