Help me understand Briton's exiting the EU.

[poofyhairguy]

"Elites" are always going to be the only options at the ballot box. But the policy matters more than the politician. Warren & Sanders have and are continuing to push policy in the right direction, whether either gets in the white house at this point or not, and that has pulled HRC right along with them.

Every indication so far is that HRC plans to placate Sanders and do what she was gonna do anyway. The "party platform" doesn't matter except as a way for a failed Sanders campaign to claim some sort of hollow victory.

You're right, but a strictly "burn it down" approach without any reward for movements in the right policy directions doesn't get us there. "Elites" will be on top either during stability or strife. And you don't want a world where they are more invested in strife than stability. Or even one any more than they already are.

They are already invested in strife. All the super rich own islands or New Zealand ranches or the like. The second they don't like they way things are going they can just check out of this whole America thing and leave us to rot. That is why I hope they see the discontent today and pivot in a direction to want to give up some of their resources willingly for societal stability.

They lose way more value in stock market drops and currency devaluations when a Brexit or a Trump happens than the common man does. If they did the math they would see it's cheaper to bribe humanity to play nice rather than try to survive the storm.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Every indication so far is that HRC plans to placate Sanders and do what she was gonna do anyway. The "party platform" doesn't matter except as a way for a failed Sanders campaign to claim some sort of hollow victory.



They are already invested in strife. All the super rich own islands or New Zealand ranches or the like. The second they don't like they way things are going they can just check out of this whole America thing and leave us to rot. That is why I hope they see the discontent today and pivot in a direction to want to give up some of their resources willingly for societal stability.

They lose way more value in stock market drops and currency devaluations when a Brexit or a Trump happens than the common man does. If they did the math they would see it's cheaper to bribe humanity to play nice rather than try to survive the storm.

The more discontent they see the more they'll invest in strife. The "elite" can position their portfolio so they make money either way. Trying to hurt them economically by hurting yourself economically is stupid. Common people will come out the bigger losers by far.

 

[werepossum]

Every indication so far is that HRC plans to placate Sanders and do what she was gonna do anyway. The "party platform" doesn't matter except as a way for a failed Sanders campaign to claim some sort of hollow victory.

They are already invested in strife. All the super rich own islands or New Zealand ranches or the like. The second they don't like they way things are going they can just check out of this whole America thing and leave us to rot. That is why I hope they see the discontent today and pivot in a direction to want to give up some of their resources willingly for societal stability.

They lose way more value in stock market drops and currency devaluations when a Brexit or a Trump happens than the common man does. If they did the math they would see it's cheaper to bribe humanity to play nice rather than try to survive the storm.

For the first two paragraphs, I agree completely. For the third, not so much. As long as you leave your investment in the market, you haven't actually lost anything, and for those with faith and liquidity, such a drop is an excellent opportunity.

 

[agent00f]

The more discontent they see the more they'll invest in strife. The "elite" can position their portfolio so they make money either way. Trying to hurt them economically by hurting yourself economically is stupid. Common people will come out the bigger losers by far.

The math to support this is trivial. For example, a rich person losing 20%, say 20 million out of 100, is still fine. But a poor person losing $200 out of their $1k savings is comparative worse off in a 1 to 1 comparison. Now if poor people collective lose 20 million out of 100, that's 100,000 multiplied by however much the highlight word means.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The more discontent they see the more they'll invest in strife. The "elite" can position their portfolio so they make money either way.

To a point. Then at that point you have destroyed your consumer base and you don't have any people to sell your robot made widget to.

Trying to hurt them economically by hurting yourself economically is stupid. Common people will come out the bigger losers by far.

Agreed, but what we are seeing here is an emotional backlash and not a logical thought out plan. Blood running in the streets is bad for everyone, but that does mean the (now untouchable by courts or politicians) elites suffer some too.

 

[SSSnail]

To a point. Then at that point you have destroyed your consumer base and you don't have any people to sell your robot made widget to.

Agreed, but what we are seeing here is an emotional backlash and not a logical thought out plan. Blood running in the streets is bad for everyone, but that does mean the (now untouchable by courts or politicians) elites suffer some too.

It never is, mostly lies and knee-jerk reactions and heart-strings tugging of the uninitiated.

As for the elites suffering, there might be some degrees to it. It may be that they can't afford that SpaceX shuttle trip to orbit, but have to settle for a first class flight around the world on Emirates in an A380 instead. 🙁

 

[PrincessFrosty]

First past the post is fine for elected officials, since there is a term limit. But for Referendums such as this (and the original join vote), there has to be a clear majority.

Canadian here so I know a thing or two about referendums.

Right and there was a clear majority of 1.27 Million people more voting to leave, in what respect is this not clear?

What you mean is that the target should be arbitrarily higher because you disagree with the result, which isn't what democracy is about, it's about the will of the people which constitutes a majority - which is defined as the larger number.

 

[1prophet]

The lopsided distribution of the benefits of globalization isn't a problem with globalization, it's a problem with distribution of the benefits. Want to stick it to the "elites?" Vote for fiscal policies that address that and the people willing to implement them.

Actually if you really want to stick it to elites,

Vote for labor, environmental, and worker safety laws (OSHA) that apply to the origin of the product not just the country that is the final selling point.

You want to sell that product in a first world country, it will have to made under the same rules and regulations as if it was made in that first world country.

That would put a stop to all these corporations promising cheap goods and services to 1st world nations on the backs of 3rd worlders under working conditions not fit for a dog, while keeping the difference in profits.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Actually if you really want to stick it to elites,

Vote for labor, environmental, and worker safety laws (OSHA) that apply to the origin of the product not just the country that is the final selling point.

You want to sell that product in a first world country, it will have to made under the same rules and regulations as if it was made in that first world country.

That would put a stop to all these corporations promising cheap goods and services to 1st world nations on the backs of 3rd worlders under working conditions not fit for a dog, while keeping the difference in profits.

How do you enforce something like that though?

 

[sdifox]

First past the post is fine for elected officials, since there is a term limit. But for Referendums such as this (and the original join vote), there has to be a clear majority.

Canadian here so I know a thing or two about referendums.

Right and there was a clear majority of 1.27 Million people more voting to leave, in what respect is this not clear?

What you mean is that the target should be arbitrarily higher because you disagree with the result, which isn't what democracy is about, it's about the will of the people which constitutes a majority - which is defined as the larger number.

Sigh, you didn't read my post did you? Let me highlight the important part.

 

[fskimospy]

How do you enforce something like that though?

I'm pretty sure what he's suggesting there is a major WTO violation. It's actually one of the oldest plays in the book when it comes to trade protectionism and tariffs. You insist that trade partners comply with a series of standards and regulations you know they can't meet and then when people complain you say 'who, me? I'm just enforcing safety and quality standards!'

 

[bigi]

Summary

Update

from a Brit.

 

[FrankRamiro]

It's what happens when you let stupid people vote.

I'm with you Bro.I think that should be done a course for people before voting!but i guess the F*** politicians want is the more stupid the better,that's where they can easier sell their politics crap.And for those that understand the voting policies and still vote for these politics crap, here they vote for their special interests.

 

[Matthiasa]

Right and there was a clear majority of 1.27 Million people more voting to leave, in what respect is this not clear?

What you mean is that the target should be arbitrarily higher because you disagree with the result, which isn't what democracy is about, it's about the will of the people which constitutes a majority - which is defined as the larger number.

You understand that is less than 2% of their population right?

 

[sandorski]

At this point it's beginning to look like they'll be changing their mind.

 

[Spungo]

For the first two paragraphs, I agree completely. For the third, not so much. As long as you leave your investment in the market, you haven't actually lost anything, and for those with faith and liquidity, such a drop is an excellent opportunity.

So if a stock is paying 6% dividends and the price goes down until the stock pays 7% dividends, you're saying I should buy more of it instead of panic selling it at a loss?

 

[TeeJay1952]

In my City if millage for schools doesn't pass they run it again and again. August primary, Spring Special and tacked onto State & County Elections till it passes. I think this was the same sort of voter fatigue that allows that.
Misstated and implied results that were not fact based were promulgated. The rabble roused, and driven over cliff.
Take heed. I know you aren't happy but what will be the result of your "protest" vote?

 

[PrincessFrosty]

You understand that is less than 2% of their population right?

But you understand this doesn't mean it's not a majority right?

When you point out that the leave won by a small majority, it's still a majority and that's what matters in a democracy. I'm not sure why this is unclear to some people.

 

[sontakke]

Boris is out!!!! Wow, this is *the* best soap opera that I have seen in my life time.

 

[sdifox]

Nigel just resigned as well. Fucking cowards create chaos then run away. Best part he is keeping his EU Parliament job. So Brexit for UK but not for him.

 

[Thump553]

Boris is out!!!! Wow, this is *the* best soap opera that I have seen in my life time.

It's a good one to be sure, but on the Richter scale this would be a 5.0 and a Trump election to Presidency would be a 9.

 

[kage69]

An easy first step: call the area by it's actual name, Britain.

Beyond that, it's pretty easy really. The English have a nativist element the same way we do here in the States - with a similar penchant for racism. Light on facts, but plenty of self-righteous appeals to emotion built on either half-truths or outright bullshit.

I like how Nigel started walking back all his talk literally the day after the vote, and now he's fled like a bat!

I get the impression many in the UK are starting to feel like they got suckered. Drumpf supporters take note.

 

[Knowing]

Britain also had a massive foreign rape gang complete with an attempted coverup. When world governments create a problem like the refugee crisis, which leads to domestic problems that Britain in particular has already suffered, why is there an expectation that the citizens should endure it?

It's not like the EU is in fantastic shape and can actually afford to punish the UK economically.

 

[sdifox]

Britain also had a massive foreign rape gang complete with an attempted coverup. When world governments create a problem like the refugee crisis, which leads to domestic problems that Britain in particular has already suffered, why is there an expectation that the citizens should endure it?

It's not like the EU is in fantastic shape and can actually afford to punish the UK economically.

Souce on the foreign rape gang story?

 

[Knowing]

Souce on the foreign rape gang story?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

EDIT: don't neglect the See also, there were a few others that didn't get as much press.