Help me understand Briton's exiting the EU.

[0roo0roo]

The "veto" doesn't exist in any way that matters on a day to day level when the EU churns out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-lichfield-writes-the-first-of-a-1438345.html

an incredible amount of legislation "Over the last decade it's made between 1,000 and 2,000 laws every year - some huge, some tiny."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-many-britains-laws-really-7420612

That "professor" is misleading as any other slanted expert, this isn't scientific "because I say so", it's a matter of definitions.

Regardless of the exact figure, it's too much, and by unaccountable and mechanisms which are too distant from the people.

You have plenty of dishonest "experts" on this matter, that guy being prime example, which is why he spends most of his video making political attacks rather than laying out facts. Not to mention he can't even record audio correctly....left channel only...that is the level of "competence" you can expect from an EU crony.

Whether left or right, there were voices calling for people to leave this union which is broken by design.

Tony Benn – EU Referendum – EU Empire – Democracy – Brexit
Lurkin Left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnpbEMMsNw

George Galloway evokes Tony Benn as he pleads with the Left to vote to leave EU 'rich man's club'
Barnet Bugle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cF93B58Vw

 

[agent00f]

That "professor" is misleading as any other slanted expert, this isn't scientific "because I say so", it's a matter of definitions.

You might have the right to vote your opinion in a democratic state, but you're not entitle to your personal set of facts divorced from reality.

If all this "expert talk" is indeed incorrect, then surely it would be trivial to point out the mistakes in the legal details he asserts instead of linking to meaningless rhetorical bluster.

I personally wonder if there's some field you might be considered an expert in, and your opinions of people who know absolutely nothing about it yet dismiss you not on merit but simply due to that expertise.

 

[mikeymikec]

Regardless of the exact figure, it's too much, and by unaccountable and mechanisms which are too distant from the people.

This pretty much says it all for your opinion.

Furthermore, it's a widely contested topic simply because many EU regulations are irrelevant to the UK: for example a regulation may relate to a product type that the UK doesn't produce.

 

[0roo0roo]

This pretty much says it all for your opinion.

Furthermore, it's a widely contested topic simply because many EU regulations are irrelevant to the UK: for example a regulation may relate to a product type that the UK doesn't produce.

Says what? That I acknowledge that the number changes based on the definition of what a "law" is?

You just proved you replied without reading anything in my post by stating that.

and of course all this is simply fluff in the face of the fundamental principles at stake, the democratic legitimacy of the EU simply doesn't exist, it wasn't a system designed based on enlightenment principles, but deception.

 

[agent00f]

Says what? That I acknowledge that the number changes based on the definition of what a "law" is?

You just proved you replied without reading anything in my post by stating that.

It's completely stupid argument in the first place. Regulations are generally created for some reason, and that reason doesn't go away if you ignore it. If a british company wants to export cars or whatever elsewhere in the world, it'll still have the to abide by those underlying reasons in places which prompted the regs in the first place.

Except now in that case, instead of a uniform single set of regs accepted internationally, it'll be a complete cluster-f of reg sets each corresponding to each deal with each trading partner. Good luck to the local factory trying to figure out to how to navigate that labyrinth just to reach the same customers as before.

 

[mikeymikec]

Says what?

You don't care what the figure is, you think that the UK shouldn't be subject to any EU laws. The fact of the matter is that every country is subject to laws and regulations that other countries set to varying extents, the same goes for the UK whether we're inside the EU or not. The only way that a country could work otherwise would be if it divorces itself from the rest of the world, becomes completely self-sufficient and accepts no imports or exports of any description.

It's completely logical that if an organisation comes up with a sensible set of rules that all imported and exported goods most comply with, that in a globalised economy, all countries would deem it prudent to live by such rules. For starters, it makes it loads easier for businesses to sell goods abroad if they only have one set of regulations to adhere to, one form of documentation to produce, let alone the possibility that two countries might have conflicting regulations.

All the UK has accomplished in this respect is to peddle backwards for a while until we decide that it actually makes some sense to get with the programme again. I suspect that UK governments in the future will have to trade one form of hypocrisy with another in order for the UK's collective pride to stand the idea that we don't get to make all the rules, nor do we have the influence to be the kind of player that we were in the days when it was OK to invade another country, subjugate their people and steal their shit.

the democratic legitimacy of the EU simply doesn't exist

Of course it does, the fact that SE England voted in a fucktard and hypocrite like Farage as an MEP to sit in the European Parliament is testament to that.

 

[0roo0roo]

It's not that I don't care, quibbling over the semantics of law misses the forest for the trees, which is the entire problem with the EU in the first place. The entire structure is rotten and you are picking over the cracks in the stucco.

Anyways, better explained by these people.

PhilosoChat#9 | Sargon of Akkad on Brexit Protesting Cry-Bullies
Rocking MrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvCyU0-oFhE

Samantha Bee Brexit Nonsense
Kraut and Tea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nd4dVn8pxA

 

[werepossum]

You don't care what the figure is, you think that the UK shouldn't be subject to any EU laws. The fact of the matter is that every country is subject to laws and regulations that other countries set to varying extents, the same goes for the UK whether we're inside the EU or not. The only way that a country could work otherwise would be if it divorces itself from the rest of the world, becomes completely self-sufficient and accepts no imports or exports of any description.

It's completely logical that if an organisation comes up with a sensible set of rules that all imported and exported goods most comply with, that in a globalised economy, all countries would deem it prudent to live by such rules. For starters, it makes it loads easier for businesses to sell goods abroad if they only have one set of regulations to adhere to, one form of documentation to produce, let alone the possibility that two countries might have conflicting regulations.

All the UK has accomplished in this respect is to peddle backwards for a while until we decide that it actually makes some sense to get with the programme again. I suspect that UK governments in the future will have to trade one form of hypocrisy with another in order for the UK's collective pride to stand the idea that we don't get to make all the rules, nor do we have the influence to be the kind of player that we were in the days when it was OK to invade another country, subjugate their people and steal their shit.

Of course it does, the fact that SE England voted in a fucktard and hypocrite like Farage as an MEP to sit in the European Parliament is testament to that.

Instead of whining about it, you could simply use the next two years to move to another nation where people are so enlightened as to want an unelected bureaucracy making their laws. Hell, there's a train so you could still easily visit.

No one wants to remove that comforting boot from your neck, they just want it removed from their own.

 

[agent00f]

It's not that I don't care, quibbling over the semantics of law misses the forest for the trees, which is the entire problem with the EU in the first place. The entire structure is rotten and you are picking over the cracks in the stucco.

Anyways, better explained by these people.

PhilosoChat#9 | Sargon of Akkad on Brexit Protesting Cry-Bullies
Rocking MrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvCyU0-oFhE

Samantha Bee Brexit Nonsense
Kraut and Tea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nd4dVn8pxA

I actually saw the very beginning of that second one last night, and it was really funny where the narrator points to the campaign manifesto or whatever, while ignoring the reality that the biggest advocates just left the sinking ship after it was revealed how (im)plausible the claims were.

The "it's not just immigration" really makes no sense anyway. Once the EU takes away London's financial passport, england is so fucked that Norway/EEA deals will look like paradise, and guess what that includes freedom of movement.

 

[mikeymikec]

It's not that I don't care, quibbling over the semantics of law misses the forest for the trees, which is the entire problem with the EU in the first place. The entire structure is rotten and you are picking over the cracks in the stucco.

You may as well have just said, "Shit, my argument has a hole in, time to shift the goalposts!".

Instead of whining about it, you could simply use the next two years to move to another nation where people are so enlightened as to want an unelected bureaucracy making their laws. Hell, there's a train so you could still easily visit.

No one wants to remove that comforting boot from your neck, they just want it removed from their own.

Your response makes no sense given the last sentence of my previous response.

 

[theeedude]

I actually saw the very beginning of that second one last night, and it was really funny where the narrator points to the campaign manifesto or whatever, while ignoring the reality that the biggest advocates just left the sinking ship after it was revealed how (im)plausible the claims were.

Yeah, they washed their hands of the mess they made pretty quickly. Makes you wonder what the politicians who support Trump will do if he's elected and the economy crashes.

 

[sdifox]

Well Boris Johnson is now in charge of Foreign Affairs.... Talk about clusterfuck

 

[agent00f]

I was looking through the other appointees and it almost looks like she stuffed in the dumbest m-fers available to sabotage negotiations & justify staying. For example, the guy in charge of brexit doesn't know that EU members can't negotiation separate trade deals with non-EU nations.

It really needs to end up a complete cluster or else tory leave voters would burn it all down.

 

[sdifox]

Here is the qualification of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/boris-johnson-life-xenophobic-gaffes


Boris's poem on President Erdoğan of Turkey

There was a young fellow from Ankara
Who was a terrific wankerer
Till he sowed his wild oats
With the help of a goat
But he didn’t even stop to thankera.



​

 

[justoh]

It's cool. Isn't boris turkish(ish), after all?

Johnson was born on 19 June 1964 at a hospital on Manhattan's Upper East Side in New York City.[2] His birth was registered with both the US authorities and the city's British Consulate, and he was granted both American and British citizenship.[3] His father, the British Stanley Johnson, was studying economics at Columbia University.[4] Stanley was the grandson of the Turkish journalist Ali Kemal on the paternal side

 

[SSSnail]

I like Boris Johnson when he appeared on Top Gear, he's livelier than a lot of politicians.

 

[justoh]

Boris Johnson on Top Gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoifaIEvC0Q

Most non British people saw him first on top gear. Couldn't believe he was the mayor of london.

 

[sdifox]

I like Boris Johnson when he appeared on Top Gear, he's livelier than a lot of politicians.

Livelier is precisely what you don't want in foreign affairs.

 

[SSSnail]

Boris Johnson on Top Gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoifaIEvC0Q

Most non British people saw him first on top gear. Couldn't believe he was the mayor of london.

This was before he was Mayor of London, Top Gear invited him back years later when he was mayor, and they had another go at it discussing speed cameras and such. It was a hilarious exchange.

 

[agent00f]

His appeal to the plebs is his claim to political fame, and perhaps what won brexit.

 

[mikeymikec]

On a related note, in case anyone still needed convincing, the Independent has posted this clip of Nigel Farage on Question Time where he claimed that we could use the £10bn a year that we allegedly send to the EU to spend as we see fit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...unds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html

 

[sontakke]

Wasn't this made known immediately after the vote? Are you just seeing it?????

 

[spacejamz]

What happened to all the doom and gloomers who were going on about the stock market crashing the day after and that our 401K's would take a nose dive?

 

[K1052]

What happened to all the doom and gloomers who were going on about the stock market crashing the day after and that our 401K's would take a nose dive?

Volatility in equities was to be expected. Longer term what happens with the pound and how companies make decisions about investments in the UK will be the real indicators.

 

[agent00f]

What happened to all the doom and gloomers who were going on about the stock market crashing the day after and that our 401K's would take a nose dive?

Just a heads up that for all the talk britain hasn't actually exited the EU and won't for a while.