Help me learn stick shift

[Kishan]

Originally posted by: kdp
Well the Alpine in dash LCD changes everything, all bets are off now! :roll:

did you even read the post?

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

 

[Kishan]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: myusername
For example you are driving 30mph in second gear, and revs are at 5000. Assuming the car does 30mph in third gear at 2000rpm, you would pull the car out of second, hit the throttle (stick is in neutral position) until the tach hits 2000, and then slam it into third.

And if you do it right, it slides right in. No grinds or anything.

yeah-the shifter just slides right in. Apparently, you have to know where the engine would do which speed in which gear. so I don't know how he knew this in each car.

 

[Kishan]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

sounds risky. but i guess he knows what hes doing and i don't-more power to him.

 

[Kishan]

so since shifting w/o the clutch has been answered, how do you power shift?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: myusername
For example you are driving 30mph in second gear, and revs are at 5000. Assuming the car does 30mph in third gear at 2000rpm, you would pull the car out of second, hit the throttle (stick is in neutral position) until the tach hits 2000, and then slam it into third.

And if you do it right, it slides right in. No grinds or anything.

I love shifting without the clutch

 

[kdp]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
so since shifting w/o the clutch has been answered, how do you power shift?

I'm pretty sure power shifting is when you don't release off the throttle when you shift. You just push the clutch down, shift into the next gear and let off in one very quick motion.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: myusername
For example you are driving 30mph in second gear, and revs are at 5000. Assuming the car does 30mph in third gear at 2000rpm, you would pull the car out of second, hit the throttle (stick is in neutral position) until the tach hits 2000, and then slam it into third.

And if you do it right, it slides right in. No grinds or anything.

Well I guess I didn't do it right the first time, so I didn't try it a second
Haven't driven a manual since HS though.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: kdp

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
so since shifting w/o the clutch has been answered, how do you power shift?

I'm pretty sure power shifting is when you don't release off the throttle when you shift. You just push the clutch down, shift into the next gear and let off in one very quick motion.

Beats me, I thought powershifting was done with automatics.

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: kdp

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
so since shifting w/o the clutch has been answered, how do you power shift?

I'm pretty sure power shifting is when you don't release off the throttle when you shift. You just push the clutch down, shift into the next gear and let off in one very quick motion.

Beats me, I thought powershifting was done with automatics.

Sounds right on to me.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

How to Powershift
The Power Shift Shuffle goes something like this- the gas pedal goes to the floor and stays there- never lift! Preload the stick by pulling on it before you reach your shift point. At the pivotal moment simultaneously KICK the clutch pedal and slam the stick into the next gear. Time it right and you will see the rpms climb 200 to 500 rpm between gears and feel a strong surge as the next gear engages.

Found this.

 

[Crucial]

My dad tried teaching me how to drive stick. It didn't work out to well with him in the car so the next day I took the truck out myself when he left and had it down in about 15 minutes. Sure suprised him the next time we drove together.

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: notfred
You sound like an idiot.

You sound like an asshole.

 

[Thegonagle]

Lesson one: Feel the clutch--put it in first gear, don't give it any gas, and slowly release the clutch pedal fully until you are just idling along in first gear. (And if you think this is impossible, you've never tried, so I don't want to hear it.) Once you can do this a dozen times in a row without stalling, you're going to have acquired a pretty good feel for the clutch pedal, and you're ready for almost anything.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

sounds risky. but i guess he knows what hes doing and i don't-more power to him.

Here's the deal on this: It's not good for the transmission. Period. But it's good to know how just in case.

 

[Kishan]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

sounds risky. but i guess he knows what hes doing and i don't-more power to him.

Here's the deal on this: It's not good for the transmission. Period. But it's good to know how just in case.

i would think so.

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

sounds risky. but i guess he knows what hes doing and i don't-more power to him.

Here's the deal on this: It's not good for the transmission. Period. But it's good to know how just in case.

I do this every day and I'm at 120,000 miles still going strong.

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

sounds risky. but i guess he knows what hes doing and i don't-more power to him.

Here's the deal on this: It's not good for the transmission. Period. But it's good to know how just in case.

I do this every day and I'm at 120,000 miles still going strong.

If I remember, I'm going to try it tomorrow.

 

[SupaDupaPan]

I bought my first miata that was a stick shift in order to learn to drive it. It FORCED me to learn to drive rather than pussy out and take the automatic car to work every morning Once you master 1st gear, you're set basically. When in doubt, press the clutch. Clutch is your friend. When you feel the car about to stall, press on the clutch to *save it*

And ... I really don't know how to teach anyone to drive manual online

 

[chowmein]

^ only chick I'm aware of that drives stick

 

[Maximus96]

my wife drove a stick civic before we got married and then the civic got stolen. we just picked up our new TC couple of days ago and its a stick. shes been driving it to work because i don't know how to drive it. i will learn it this weekend tho, so i can take it to work next week. its embarassing to admit that my wife have to teach me how to drive stick.

 

[chowmein]

Originally posted by: zaku
my wife drove a stick civic before we got married and then the civic got stolen. we just picked up our new TC couple of days ago and its a stick. shes been driving it to work because i don't know how to drive it. i will learn it this weekend tho, so i can take it to work next week. its embarassing to admit that my wife have to teach me how to drive stick.

i bet you do the cooking too right?? j/k

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its overrated...get caught in traffic and have your left leg go numb and then tell me if you want to drive a stick.

i agree.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
can someone explain how to power shift, and shift without the clutch? I have a friend who is really good since he worked as a valet, and has shifted without using the clutch in three different cars- 02 Nissan SE-R, 92 Accord, and 01 Civic.

Here is an experiment for you. Go out on a road where you have some room. Put the car in third and go at about 3000 rpm. Maintain speed and see how fast the engine is going when you shift to forth. let's say it is about 2200 rpm. Now go back into third at 3000 and put a little pressure (one or two fingers) on the shifter toward neutral. Don't depress the clutch. Nudge the accelerator a little to remove the tension between gears, and the the stick will move out of gear, into neutral. Take your foot off the accelerator, and put a little pressure on the stick toward forth gear. When the engine rpm drops to 2200 rpm, the stick will probably slide into forth without you ever pressing on the clutch. If you miss, and the engine rpm drops below 2200, just give it a very little gas to get it back to that speed. When the engine speed matches the road wheel speed, it should drop into gear. That should illustrate how it works. Be real gentle with the shift lever, and you won't hurt anything. Push too hard, and you will hear a grind.

It is more difficult doing this trick going from forth to third, but all you have to do is use the accelerator to raise the engine speed while in neutral. Very few drivers know how to shift without the clutch, and I offer this description to you for your amusement and experimentation. Obviously I won't be responsible if you break something--although if you stay gentle with the shifter, the worst you may experience is a little, soft grinding sound. If you hear that, go back to neutral and either try again, or give up.

There really is no reason to risk fscking up your transmission doing this unless your clutch went out.

sounds risky. but i guess he knows what hes doing and i don't-more power to him.

Here's the deal on this: It's not good for the transmission. Period. But it's good to know how just in case.

I do this every day and I'm at 120,000 miles still going strong.

If I remember, I'm going to try it tomorrow.

Plenty of people, (particularly pickup truck drivers, for some reason) shift without the clutch on a regular basis without wearing it. It's a cool trick to impress your friends with, and lets you get away with zero clutch wear. However, if you fvck it up, the wear goes to your synchos instead, which are NOT meant to wear down the way a clutch is and will probably be a more costly repair in the long run. In addition to which, some Japanese transmissions won't let you do this at all (or so I'm told). Use your clutch, that's what it's there for.

And none of this has any business in a thread where the OP is a complete shifting n00b. He can learn rev-matching later.

 

[Maximus96]

Originally posted by: chowmein

Originally posted by: zaku
my wife drove a stick civic before we got married and then the civic got stolen. we just picked up our new TC couple of days ago and its a stick. shes been driving it to work because i don't know how to drive it. i will learn it this weekend tho, so i can take it to work next week. its embarassing to admit that my wife have to teach me how to drive stick.

i bet you do the cooking too right?? j/k

yea, actually i do