Help me convince my girlfriend that gun control is not the answer... please

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: asSpenNy
I suggest to people that oppose guns should put a sign on their house or apartment that states that they live in a "Gun Free" house.

I second that suggestion.
 

dolph

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Originally posted by: hudster
30,000 people a year die because the second amendment was misinterpreted.

misinterpreted??? ok, so tell me, what part of "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand???


-hudster

full text is this:
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

so if you own a gun, you're supposed to be in "a well regulated militia." or is there something there that's ambiguous?


mistert:

you might have noticed a lack of state sponsered mental facilities since reagan closed them all. so your tax dollars aren't going towards helping mentally ill people anyway. but that's not the point. guns kill easier than anything else on earth. take away guns (or at least stop selling them), and violence is bound to go down.
 

BlueApple

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Originally posted by: hudster
30,000 people a year die because the second amendment was misinterpreted.

misinterpreted??? ok, so tell me, what part of "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand???


-hudster
1) That a single person is not a well-regulated milita?

2) When the constitution was written, the most lethal weapon was the flintlock. The founding fathers didn?t have in mind automatic assault weapons to be toted around and be protected, side-by-side, with a single-round gun. So why not define firearms as flintlocks, nothing more, nothing less. This would be certain clear up any confusion that one may have about what Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Adams had in mind at the time.

I am not against guns. Yet, I do know, and supported by facts, that a society without guns can have a decrease in violent crimes.
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: dolph
Originally posted by: hudster
30,000 people a year die because the second amendment was misinterpreted.

misinterpreted??? ok, so tell me, what part of "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand???


-hudster

full text is this:
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

so if you own a gun, you're supposed to be in "a well regulated militia." or is there something there that's ambiguous?


mistert:

you might have noticed a lack of state sponsered mental facilities since reagan closed them all. so your tax dollars aren't going towards helping mentally ill people anyway. but that's not the point. guns kill easier than anything else on earth. take away guns (or at least stop selling them), and violence is bound to go down.
Not really. Look at Australia. They banned guns and their violence rate went UP. If you were a criminal, who would you rather rob? An unarmed man, or a guy with a Glock .40 in his pocket? Guns are effective deterents. As for the militia statement, ever hear of the national guard? ;)
 

zsouthboy

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: hammer09

girl: what do you think about gun contol?
guy: guns don't kill people, I kill people
girl: uh ok
nik

Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do.

:p[/quote]


w00t! family guy reference!

zs
 

asSpenNy

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I am not against guns. Yet, I do know, and supported by facts, that a society without guns can have a decrease in violent crimes.

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And while robberies rose 81 percent in England and Wales, they fell 28 percent in the United States. Likewise, assaults increased 53 percent in England and Wales but declined 27 percent in the United States. Burglaries doubled in England but fell by half in the United States. ..... and this is also true for Canada ? in those countries where citizens are disarmed in their own homes
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Vette73

Lifer
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Originally posted by: asSpenNy
I am not against guns. Yet, I do know, and supported by facts, that a society without guns can have a decrease in violent crimes.
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And while robberies rose 81 percent in England and Wales, they fell 28 percent in the United States. Likewise, assaults increased 53 percent in England and Wales but declined 27 percent in the United States. Burglaries doubled in England but fell by half in the United States. ..... and this is also true for Canada ? in those countries where citizens are disarmed in their own homes
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Instead of just reading between the lines read the whole package.
Has crime gone down in America in the last 6 years, YES. Has it gone up in Europe, Yes. Why? because when the economy gos up the crime gos down, economy gos down crime gos up, DUH!!!!

It has noting to do with guns. As Clinton found out in his first Pres. Election "Its the economy stupid"

 

Kwatt

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Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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Amendments 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 are about the People or the People and the States.

The 2nd amendment is about the States ONLY not the People.

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The 2nd amendment is the ONLY amendment that does not apply to the People.

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And the check is in the mail.

Good Facts or True Facts pick whatever suits you. Its still a semi-free country!


Kwatt

 

asSpenNy

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Originally posted by: Kwatt
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


The 2nd amendment is about the States ONLY not the People.

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The 2nd amendment is the ONLY amendment that does not apply to the People.

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Kwatt

I don't agree. The amendment is addressing two things; the militia -> security of a free state and people to keep and bear arms -> shall not be infringed.

 

Spendthrift

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since i live in japan i can speak for what ive seen in the newspaper during this past year.

i have yet to see a gun related death (not that ive read the paper everyday, its quite possible i missed one or a few).

however, i have seen a ridiculous amount of stabbings, bludgeonings, drownings ect. so while gun deaths are rather low, its not uncommon to read about other methods of murder on a daily basis.


personally id rather be shot than stabbed, strangled, ect...

(gun rights supporter)
 

Jeffwo

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You could tell her what I would tell someone who was trying to change my mind on gun control, "It is a right guaranteed by the constitution of the US and they will take away my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers".

May not change her view of gun control but it will change the way she discusses the issue with you.

Jeff