FelixDeCat
Lifer
Trump is a bit of wingnut but strong on issues that matter. Cruz says and does the right things. Im leaning Cruz.
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Help me choose : Trump or Cruz
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MomentsofSanity
Lifer
I'm going to ask something that I'm legitimately curious on. When you say Trump is strong on issues that matter. How do you mean that? He hasnt' really said anything specific that I'm aware of on how he would accomplish any of the things he has spoken of.
dank69
Lifer
You have to understand that Felix is just a troll.
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
Troll or no . . . Here's my advice.
Vote for Trump in the Primary, and stay home during the General. 😀
Seriously -- if he has to ask this question, I'd almost think that's wise advice.
SlowSpyder
Lifer
If I were using my vote to go full retard, I'd go with Carson.
disappoint
Lifer
bwaahhahahahahahaha
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
If I were voting in the GOP primary based on what I've seen so far in the news and debates, I'd figure my only sane options included Kasich, Christie and Bush.
As for Christie, Bridge-gate -- just a warning sign of the destructive appointees he might make -- means a thumbs-down for me. *
And as for Bush? You've gotta be kidding! A-NOTHER ONE?!! Fool me once, fool me twice . . . . But even when I still had an RNC card in my wallet, I wasn't fooled even once.**
* I can elaborate on this considerably.
** . . . but on this one, it hardly requires further comment.
Current poll shows the stupidity of people gathered in P&N
Hillary and Sanders are going to change everything for us through their constant misrepresentation, lies, and soul crushing debt! Fiscal responsibility, security, rights -- we don't need those Trump and Cruz fools to give us any of those things when we could prop up the Clinton Foundation bankroll or go full-on welfare state instead! I'm sure none of the local short bus riders chose "neither" due to Rubio, but it's worth mentioning that he is a could have been, but has made some poor decisions historically and recently that show he is not someone to trust, either.
Anyways, Trump or Cruz are the only viable options this election cycle. As for which you should vote, whichever one is on the ballot.
Hillary and Sanders are going to change everything for us through their constant misrepresentation, lies, and soul crushing debt! Fiscal responsibility, security, rights -- we don't need those Trump and Cruz fools to give us any of those things when we could prop up the Clinton Foundation bankroll or go full-on welfare state instead! I'm sure none of the local short bus riders chose "neither" due to Rubio, but it's worth mentioning that he is a could have been, but has made some poor decisions historically and recently that show he is not someone to trust, either.
Anyways, Trump or Cruz are the only viable options this election cycle. As for which you should vote, whichever one is on the ballot.
kage69
Lifer
Has to be.
Seriously, what kind of affliction do you need to be suffering from in order to think Cruz says and does the right things?
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Are you saying that being a loudmouth makes someone a better candidate for President?? You said he's a "bit of a wingnut." You're even considering voting for someone you consider to be a "bit of a wingnut." What are you, some kind of idiot? Or some kind of troll?
You couldn't possibly ask that in regards to the leading Democratic candidates, could you? I consider not having the safety of Americans as the primary objective or having your plans not involve whatever steps are necessary to save the economy to be completely fucking crazy. Do you also hold those two things as important? If not, are you some kind of idiot -- or some kind of troll?
Can you look at your kids, relatives, children on a school bus and honestly think that any of the candidates aside from Cruz or Trump are going to work to ensure their prosperous future? Do you think that when your kids grow up, that 20 trillion dollars in debt is going to just be gone? Hundreds of trillions in unfunded items will just *poof* magic Hillary lie-wand away? Magical socialist Bernie Sanders wills away trillions of dollars in debt by spending trillions of dollars more? How about you take a good look into the eyes of your kids, grandkids, etc. and ask yourself if voting for anyone other than Trump or Cruz is actually going to give them a chance at still living in a free country in 50 years.
Name anything that Hillary or Sanders has done or will do that either:
1. Benefited the existing citizens of this country more than they have been a detriment
2. Not removed our constitutional rights
3. Not result in taking on even more massive amounts of debt
You need to shed the idea of utopia and enter into reality. There are two candidates that are promising, and those are Trump and Cruz. Pretty much every other candidate that has a chance at getting elected is either going to completely fuck us now, or completely fuck our future generations even further.
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disappoint
Lifer
Bart*Simpson
Senior member
Winston Churchill was once denounced as a wingnut for the 'paranoid' things he used to say about Hitler.
Not to compare Trump to Churchill but even though Trump is not my first choice I have to give him credit for making certain topics a matter of debate. Absent Trump discussing immigration topics those topics would not be discussed at all.
Even if you disagree with the man you have to admit that he's tenacious in holding to what he says unlike so many other politicians who will reverse course on a critical position the moment the polls go against them.
Hillary and Obama come to mind as both of them in 2008 were opposed to gay marriage but then supported it just as soon as the political winds in the Democrat Party shifted from opposition to support. How can you trust what they say if they'll reverse themselves because a CNN poll tells them to?
Bart*Simpson
Senior member
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
Now . . . I think I'll elaborate (my previous *), given this:
This contention seemed to start after Grover Norquist and his "Drown it in a bathtub" rant. This, of course, parallels mrjminer's rant.
What was it on the news last night? Fact-checking Trump, the national debt was put at ~$18 Trillion.
I think you can knock off about $3 Trillion -- as little as $2 Trillion -- for Dubya's Roman Empire ploy of waging two wars at once and leaving Iraq out of the budget.
You can knock off some more of that with Dum-Dum-Dubya's two tax cuts. Wanna talk about the "American National Spirit?" There was once a time when war was serious business. And there was once a time when tax increases were in order in "wartime." Like Paul Newman pounding fists on Daniel Craig in "Road to Perdition" -- I CURSE the day I got those tax cuts! I CURSE it! And I CURSE the GOP and all its minions! I CURSE it!
And I'm not going to lean over and give Dubya a big hug to reverse my sentiment.
Whether one segment of the public wants certain agencies or programs or not, the segment that does want them deserves the best bang for the buck.
The so-called "merit" system of federal civil service has become corrupted. Not by Republicans in general, but first by appointees of Republicans and then by their cynical use of the career-system to put ding-bats into jobs.
Signs on the wall include Michelle Bachman at IRS during the '90s; the corruption of the Mineral Management Service evident during the Deepwater Horizon crisis; the reductions-in-force leaving IRS unable to simply pursue computer-flagged tax audits; the IRS "Star Trek" nonsense; the GSA "training" spending spree . . . need I continue?!
Whether or not you "like" EPA, Education, Commerce, Justice, HHS or any of it -- the rest of us deserve better.
And what I also suspect, given what I'd seen firsthand, is that the "battles" over ideology and political postures that SHOULD be contained in Congress have possibly added an "insurgency" WITHIN administrative mechanisms that are supposed to serve all the people.
Now he wants to tell me that the national debt is all the fault of Sanders and Clinton.
And for almost six years, we've had a Congress dominated by Cornpone Tory Twits -- almost Traitors! -- who've chosen to obstruct at every corner, every turn. Even the ACA was a previous GOP proposal. Back before 2008 when that Half-wit was still in office, I looked at an agency budget that I knew well. The budget then . . . was the same as it was in 1995!
You want Fiscal Responsibility! I'll SHOW you "fiscal responsibility!" And if I asked you a simple question, like "If A < B, and B < C -- what do you infer? You'd probably tell me that "C < A." Because that's the kind half-wit cornpone inane drivel I've had to put up with on my Tee-Vee for YEARS!
When Reagan took over after Carter, the national debt was 29% of GDP. When Reagan left office, it was 51%, and when Clinton left office, it was still 51%.
Don't try to tell me where the national debt came from! I paid for one useless war after it ended in the '70s. I paid for a "diplomatic error" with the next one. I paid for that crass sumbitch's Iraq War again!
You're not going to drown anything in a bathtub. And if you want "out of order" -- I'll show you out of order! And I'll leave the rest of Pacino's script-line alone. It could put me on the no-fly list.
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Bowfinger
Lifer
This is exactly why nobody believes you when you claim, "I'm not a republican. [sic]" It's hysterical that you favor the two biggest, most shameless liars in the running today while complaining that other candidates cannot be trusted. It's insane.
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
And that . . . could've saved my fingers . . . for a tension-releasing re-play of "GRID-2" -- Cote-d-Azur with the AI drivers set to "Very Hard."
Trump by far. Trump is a winner and he knows it. His ego lacks nothing. He is the perfection of ego. Trump wants to return America to greatness, the kind of greatness he has experienced. Cruz is a nobody who is emotionally needy, filled with religious fervor and bigotry. He hates government and won't use it to make America great again. Between the two, Trump is far and away the most bestest superior of the two. Cruz wants to destroy and Trump wants and knows how to build. Why this isn't obvious is beyond me.
That you can say anything remotely close to what you've said and treat it as truth is amazing. Yes, yes, Trump and Cruz are the biggest liars -- ROFL. Holy fuck that is such an incredulous statement when looking at just Clinton.
I'm not a Republican. I LOVE how you come back, probably what.. a couple of years later.. to continue your screams of "YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN -- No, I'm not -- YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN -- No, I'm not -- etc." for multiple posts in that one thread. What I am is an American. Just because there are literally NO VIABLE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT PARTY does not make me a Republican. I will vote for whoever is going to benefit the country that actually has a chance at winning. Just because I am voting for a republican from what I've seen so far does not make me a Republican. I'll vote for Joe Blow off the streets if his ideals align to what is in the best interest of my country and isn't a wasted vote.
If you choose to vote for people that are going to fuck my country, then that's your right, but at least don't pretend that you are voting for the best candidate available because I think even you aren't stupid enough to believe that.
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
Ideals?! I-DEALS?! Buddy, BELIEF will get you less than a dime for a cup-a-coffee.
But -- to quote one candidate's spouse: "Ah feel your pain!"
You wanted fried oysters, and the smorgasbord only offers fried chicken, Tilapia, fries, beans and sauerkraut -- and probably some Clostridium Botulinum. So sorry!
Bowfinger
Lifer
😀
While it is sadly true that all politicians lie, there's a difference between deceitful spin and outright fabrication. Trump and Cruz are unequaled in outright fabrications (though Fiorina is a strong third). You don't have to take my word for it. There are plenty of fact checkers who've documented the blatant lies invented by Trump and Cruz.
Actions speak louder than words. While I understand why you're embarrassed to admit you're Republican, you nonetheless faithfully toe their party line here. Naturally, you're free to call yourself whatever you must. Just recognize you're not fooling anyone (except, perhaps, yourself).
I don't expect I'll have a chance to vote for the best candidate available. Our broken primary process will see to that. I will not vote for the worst candidates available, however, which is where we part ways.
Guess you need back on ignore for another year with your ridiculous "YOURE A REPUBLICAN!!!" See ya in 2017, shitfinger!
Over the line and not acceptable.
Perknose
Forum Director
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