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Guess you need back on ignore for another year with your ridiculous "YOURE A REPUBLICAN!!!" See ya in 2017, shitfinger!
Thank you! It's so much easier when I can rebut your nonsense without having to go around and around with your whiny follow-ups. Happy 2016 to me!

Edit: And as is usual for you, you failed to address any of the points I raised. I can see why you need to ignore those who challenge you. You are the epitome of strong opinions with no substance behind them, the quintessential low-information American.
 
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Thank you! It's so much easier when I can rebut your nonsense without having to go around and around with your whiny follow-ups. Happy 2016 to me!

Edit: And as is usual for you, you failed to address any of the points I raised. I can see why you need to ignore those who challenge you. You are the epitome of strong opinions with no substance behind them, the quintessential low-information American.

I feel it necessary to help just in case the obvious empty threat wasn't so empty.
 
Winston Churchill was once denounced as a wingnut for the 'paranoid' things he used to say about Hitler.

I realize I don't know you, but I'd like to think you can't be stupid enough to just pull a Godwin out of your ass like that. I'll take your response as a passive aggressive poke at my post (I don't see Churchill mentioned anywhere in the thread other than my sig, and he is certainly is not relevant to the 2016 elections).

So!

Your comparison is seriously insulting to Churchill and his family, disclaimer or not. He came from wealth and aristocracy, went to Sandhurst and then didn't use family connections to avoid having to personally fight in The Boer War. Trump never served and thinks the military academy he was forced to go not only gave him more training than the actual military, but it qualifies him as the best executive for dealing with the military. Churchill had to stones to go get shot at, PROVED himself as a leader, was promoted accordingly, and was later the equivalent of Secretary of the Navy before leading England in WW2. Trump has no such experience. Inheriting money and being hit or miss with real estate ventures hardly compares.

Even when drunk, Churchill did not stoop to the behavior that Trump exhibits regularly. The only thing they have in common beyond having American mothers is a disconnect from a country that is starting to lean left. For America's sake I hope Trump gets a similar outcome.

People call Trump paranoid because he exhibits paranoid thinking, pretty straight forward really. The terrorists-posing-as-refugees dance routine is pretty funny. Tell me, where have Trump and his supporters been on Cuba? Classified as a supporter of terrorism, yet any Cuban who hits our soil is essentially handed a green card. Did I somehow miss a mountain of outrage and shock over all these years, or is this just issue #8,749 where Trump and his flock of sheep look like hypocritical morons?
 
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Trump is a bit of wingnut but strong on issues that matter. Cruz says and does the right things. Im leaning Cruz.

Ideally I'd go for Cruz. Problem is he's not aligned with the establishment. That's why I like him. It's also why he'd fail. Money and power in Washington is firmly in the grasp of the Neocons both Republican and Democrat. Even if he could get elected they'd double team on him and quickly sideline a Cruz Presidency. I do not believe his agenda could be passed into law. I fear he'd be a slave to their money.

Trump is a fascist pure and simple. He is thin skinned and talks tough. When he says Edward Snowden should be killed as a traitor, I believe he means it. That's not someone I want as President.

Problem is Trump has money. He doesn't need to be beholden to anyone, and if he had to battle enemies in Congress i think he could defeat them. I mean he could personally finance their opponents in the next election. That, or Trump becomes such a polarizing lightning rod that members of both parties would join to defeat him. That gives us room to shift the political spectrum in this country. Time to let the Bushes and Clintons hold hands while the rest of us form a new opposition party.

That sort of realignment has real value. Maybe a Trump disaster is just what it takes. These are interesting times, and maybe it calls for desperate action to cause a situation so momentous that it simply cannot be ignored any longer.
 
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Good one.
 
I realize I don't know you, but I'd like to think you can't be stupid enough to just pull a Godwin out of your ass like that. I'll take your response as a passive aggressive poke at my post (I don't see Churchill mentioned anywhere in the thread other than my sig, and he is certainly is not relevant to the 2016 elections).

So!

Your comparison is seriously insulting to Churchill and his family, disclaimer or not. He came from wealth and aristocracy, went to Sandhurst and then didn't use family connections to avoid having to personally fight in The Boer War. Trump never served and thinks the military academy he was forced to go not only gave him more training than the actual military, but it qualifies him as the best executive for dealing with the military. Churchill had to stones to go get shot at, PROVED himself as a leader, was promoted accordingly, and was later the equivalent of Secretary of the Navy before leading England in WW2. Trump has no such experience. Inheriting money and being hit or miss with real estate ventures hardly compares.

Even when drunk, Churchill did not stoop to the behavior that Trump exhibits regularly. The only thing they have in common beyond having American mothers is a disconnect from a country that is starting to lean left. For America's sake I hope Trump gets a similar outcome.

People call Trump paranoid because he exhibits paranoid thinking, pretty straight forward really. The terrorists-posing-as-refugees dance routine is pretty funny. Tell me, where have Trump and his supporters been on Cuba? Classified as a supporter of terrorism, yet any Cuban who hits our soil is essentially handed a green card. Did I somehow miss a mountain of outrage and shock over all these years, or is this just issue #8,749 where Trump and his flock of sheep look like hypocritical morons?

Think about it. I suggest a correction is in order.

What is it Trump does with his audience?

He anticipates what some of his nuttier supporters want to hear. Then, he amplifies and echoes -- amplifies and echoes.

There have been various published analyses of American politics going back to the '50s. I'm not sure, but I think one of them was entitled "The paranoid streak in American politics."

Various estimates at several times, and what I hear bandied about among my friends and fellow alumni is a percentage something over 20%.

Now Trump . . . .he's your garden-variety narcissist. There are a lot of narcissists, some in politics, others in management, but most assuredly -- profoundly -- positively, absolutely -- Hollywood (and its New York affiliates -- Broadway). Of the entire population, something like 10% would be diagnosed -- I say "di-ag-nosed" -- with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

They love the spotlight.

They're given to envy or jealous obsession.

They always think they're on some divine mission with some "special project."

They don't care who gets hurt as they pursue their goals and objectives.

Their energy-level -- their dopamine receptors, neoroganglionic transmitters whatever -- provide them a sort of pleasure and intoxication when they get applause and feedback from a large crowd. They feel energized. If they were headed home afterward on a tight schedule and cramped sleep-time, they'd bring down their adrenaline plane with calcium tablets and milk.

There have been real-world studies and movies based on real-world studies pertaining to an overlap of narcissism and sociopathy: serial killers, child murderers and murderers-of-children -- ass-ass-ins.

The Fuhrer and a large number of his closest entourage were narcissists.

Do narcissists make good decisions? Do paranoids make good decisions?

Ponder. Meditate.
 
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Winston Churchill was once denounced as a wingnut for the 'paranoid' things he used to say about Hitler.

Not to compare Trump to Churchill but even though Trump is not my first choice I have to give him credit for making certain topics a matter of debate. Absent Trump discussing immigration topics those topics would not be discussed at all.

Even if you disagree with the man you have to admit that he's tenacious in holding to what he says unlike so many other politicians who will reverse course on a critical position the moment the polls go against them.

Hillary and Obama come to mind as both of them in 2008 were opposed to gay marriage but then supported it just as soon as the political winds in the Democrat Party shifted from opposition to support. How can you trust what they say if they'll reverse themselves because a CNN poll tells them to?


Exactly. I know people dont want Hillary to turn America into another Benghazi while deleting evidence of her wrong doing on private email servers.

Im glad you mentioned Churchill, because Trump could be the next Winston Churchill standing against illegal immigration from around the world. Cruz on the other hand might also be the next Iron Lady and take a stand against socialism and leftism.

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Exactly. I know people dont want Hillary to turn America into another Benghazi while deleting evidence of her wrong doing on private email servers.

Im glad you mentioned Churchill, because Trump could be the next Winston Churchill standing against illegal immigration from around the world. Cruz on the other hand might also be the next Iron Lady and take a stand against socialism and leftism.

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The delusion is strong with this one. Look at the man's business practices, look at the isolationism he spouts, look at the thinly veiled racism. This is someone your seriously considering as the leader of the free world? I gave you credit for greater intelligence than that.
 
The delusion is strong with this one. Look at the man's business practices, look at the isolationism he spouts, look at the thinly veiled racism. This is someone your seriously considering as the leader of the free world? I gave you credit for greater intelligence than that.

Actually referring to Felix's post with the book dust-jacket . . .

Ah! Ah, yes!

She's the woman who stood up public, cameras rolling to show her focus and advocacy of "saving the National Healthcare system." You know that one . . . . That's the one some of us might have preferred to the ACA, Medicare and Medicaid.
 
Winston Churchill was once denounced as a wingnut for the 'paranoid' things he used to say about Hitler.

Not to compare Trump to Churchill but even though Trump is not my first choice I have to give him credit for making certain topics a matter of debate. Absent Trump discussing immigration topics those topics would not be discussed at all.

Trump raves about immigration. He doesn't discuss.

Even if you disagree with the man you have to admit that he's tenacious in holding to what he says unlike so many other politicians who will reverse course on a critical position the moment the polls go against them.

He's shifted around plenty to suit the tastes of his target voters-

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

Hillary and Obama come to mind as both of them in 2008 were opposed to gay marriage but then supported it just as soon as the political winds in the Democrat Party shifted from opposition to support. How can you trust what they say if they'll reverse themselves because a CNN poll tells them to?

Both favored equal rights for gay couples but stopped short of endorsing the use of the M word at times. At worst, they were easily persuadable.

President Barack Obama's 2008 political platform endorsed the repeal of DOMA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act#Obama_administration
 
Actually referring to Felix's post with the book dust-jacket . . .

Ah! Ah, yes!

She's the woman who stood up public, cameras rolling to show her focus and advocacy of "saving the National Healthcare system." You know that one . . . . That's the one some of us might have preferred to the ACA, Medicare and Medicaid.

The comparisons take place only in the delusional mind. Trump is a wanna be pandering to the fear driven, basement dwelling, Bud Light drinking bigots who have no clear idea of what they want and a loud mouthed defining characteristic of only standing for what they don't want.
 
Think about it. I suggest a correction is in order.

What is it Trump does with his audience?

He anticipates what some of his nuttier supporters want to hear. Then, he amplifies and echoes -- amplifies and echoes.

There have been various published analyses of American politics going back to the '50s. I'm not sure, but I think one of them was entitled "The paranoid streak in American politics."

Various estimates at several times, and what I hear bandied about among my friends and fellow alumni is a percentage something over 20%.

Now Trump . . . .he's your garden-variety narcissist. There are a lot of narcissists, some in politics, others in management, but most assuredly -- profoundly -- positively, absolutely -- Hollywood (and its New York affiliates -- Broadway). Of the entire population, something like 10% would be diagnosed -- I say "di-ag-nosed" -- with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

They love the spotlight.

They're given to envy or jealous obsession.

They always think they're on some divine mission with some "special project."

They don't care who gets hurt as they pursue their goals and objectives.

Their energy-level -- their dopamine receptors, neoroganglionic transmitters whatever -- provide them a sort of pleasure and intoxication when they get applause and feedback from a large crowd. They feel energized. If they were headed home afterward on a tight schedule and cramped sleep-time, they'd bring down their adrenaline plane with calcium tablets and milk.

There have been real-world studies and movies based on real-world studies pertaining to an overlap of narcissism and sociopathy: serial killers, child murderers and murderers-of-children -- ass-ass-ins.

The Fuhrer and a large number of his closest entourage were narcissists.

Do narcissists make good decisions? Do paranoids make good decisions?

Ponder. Meditate.

Suggestion noted.

Please don't take my focus on the word "paranoid" to mean I somehow contest the merits of Trump being a narcissist, it was more me addressing the specific terminology of another poster. Probably also a good idea to not consider negative personality traits and unfortunate aspects of American political cultural to be mutually exclusive. Not sure where you are going with this "correction." Why is Hitler back in this? You realize the guy lived his last few years in a delusional, drug induced haze, right? As much as I resent Trump and what his showboating says about Americans, I don't hate him enough to consider his personal take on politics to be on par with meth addled warmonger bent on ethic cleansing.

Have I said something factually incorrect? I'm not sure Trump's narcissism disorder is completely to blame for his immigration stance, which is why I highlighted the Cuban example; Cuba being a sponsor of terrorism, yet got that way without any muslims being involved. Sounds like a double standard rooted in opportunistic muslim paranoia to me. Does that mean Trump isn't a narcissistic asshole? Of course not.
 
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The comparisons take place only in the delusional mind. Trump is a wanna be pandering to the fear driven, basement dwelling, Bud Light drinking bigots who have no clear idea of what they want and a loud mouthed defining characteristic of only standing for what they don't want.
Those people have put three Presidents into office in my lifetime. Don't discount their impact.
 
Those people have put three Presidents into office in my lifetime. Don't discount their impact.
I'm not bothered by the mouth breathing, wife beater wearing, horse piss drinking red necks. I'm troubled by seemingly intelligent people who think Trump is anything but a pompous reality TV "star." In comparison, Bush looks 'moderate.' The idea that ANY of the GOP candidates is remotely qualified or electable is ludicrous.
 
Suggestion noted.

Please don't take my focus on the word "paranoid" to mean I somehow contest the merits of Trump being a narcissist, it was more me addressing the specific terminology of another poster. Probably also a good idea to not consider negative personality traits and unfortunate aspects of American political cultural to be mutually exclusive. Not sure where you are going with this "correction." Why is Hitler back in this? You realize the guy lived his last few years in a delusional, drug induced haze, right? As much as I resent Trump and what his showboating says about Americans, I don't hate him enough to consider his personal take on politics to be on par with meth addled warmonger bent on ethic cleansing.

Have I said something factually incorrect? I'm not sure Trump's narcissism disorder is completely to blame for his immigration stance, which is why I highlighted the Cuban example; Cuba being a sponsor of terrorism, yet got that way without any muslims being involved. Sounds like a double standard rooted in opportunistic muslim paranoia to me. Does that mean Trump isn't a narcissistic asshole? Of course not.

No . . . . I think I was more likely refining your original point with the emphasis it deserved. There could easily be an overlap: you could be both paranoid and narcissist.

In fact, your post suddenly clarified for me what has been happening there, between leader and followers.

He didn't even need much of a strategy for "anticipating" the thoughts of his audience, as with "Criswell Predicts" or some carnival act. He saw the Tea Party in '09 or '10 and decided to tap its potential. And why else would he grab that Kenyan birth certificate and hold onto it like a dog with a Frisbee? He had to make himself believe it. You know what I'm saying . .

Propagandists are another matter of interest to me. I'm trying to think about which part of them are actually moved to eventually believe for themselves what they promote. It is actually possible one can create a falsehood to promote something that is basically true in its theme.

But I don't think that's a very significant part of Trump's strategy. I don't think he really cares if his "ideas" are good ideas. He's more riveted on promoting the nutty ideas of others as good ideas.

And I don't think he's in it for the long haul -- a two-term presidency. He might try to hold onto it, but if (as I suspect) he'll just do as he pleases and continue to piss people off, he'll blow it. And I even think, as he's blowing it, he could even make more extreme moves trying to hold on.

Who knows? Does this look like a guy committed to public service, who can take the heat and potshots by telling jokes like:

"Donald Trump . . . is here tonight. No one is prouder to put this birth certificate issue to rest than the Donald . . .so he can focus on the issues that matter, like who faked the moon landing, or what what happened in Rsowell, and where are Biggy and Tupac . . . "

Tell me. Celebrity figure or not. What will Donald's "White House Correspondents' Dinner" and "roast" have for us in entertainment value?

I'm a "management professional." I tuned in to his "Apprentice" show a few times, and basically concluded everything we discussed about the asshole. I thought it -- the show -- was a bad joke. Nor did I think much of his "contestants." Why were they there? Were they masochists?
 
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Have I said something factually incorrect? I'm not sure Trump's narcissism disorder is completely to blame for his immigration stance, which is why I highlighted the Cuban example; Cuba being a sponsor of terrorism, yet got that way without any muslims being involved. Sounds like a double standard rooted in opportunistic muslim paranoia to me. Does that mean Trump isn't a narcissistic asshole? Of course not.

Cuba? That's as relevant as saying the red coats should pay for their invasion. This is a different generation, it's a different world. Cuba is no enemy of ours.
 
Im glad you mentioned Churchill, because Trump could be the next Winston Churchill standing against illegal immigration from around the world. Cruz on the other hand might also be the next Iron Lady and take a stand against socialism and leftism.

This is really just way too funny.

I'm betting Churchill would have hit Trump over the head with a bottle of whisky if he had ever met him.
 
Cuba? That's as relevant as saying the red coats should pay for their invasion. This is a different generation, it's a different world. Cuba is no enemy of ours.

To understand Castro's Cuba, you need to trace back 30-some years and examine forward of that. You need to see who exiled themselves, and who stayed, which industries had a major stake in places like Havana, and how people lived in the country and its agricultural economy. And there is also the "Day of the Machine Gun." Castro wouldn't have gone into politics if an American baseball team had drafted him. I think he actually showed promise.

The mistake followed in parallel to Johnson's reversal of Vietnam War policy. They should have lifted the embargo decades ago. Further, they should have encouraged a dispersal of exiles or refugees across the states. Instead, those with that legacy all affect the politics of Florida. And the politics of Florida has influenced national politics. I needn't tell you.

There's three of the candidates for you.
 
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Winston Churchill was once denounced as a wingnut for the 'paranoid' things he used to say about Hitler.

Denounced by whom? People on the Nazi party's payroll? I'm sure you realize that misinformation is unfortunately part of the art of war. Especially for the less than ethical participants.
 
That you can say anything remotely close to what you've said and treat it as truth is amazing. Yes, yes, Trump and Cruz are the biggest liars -- ROFL. Holy fuck that is such an incredulous statement when looking at just Clinton.

I'm not a Republican. I LOVE how you come back, probably what.. a couple of years later.. to continue your screams of "YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN -- No, I'm not -- YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN -- No, I'm not -- etc." for multiple posts in that one thread. What I am is an American. Just because there are literally NO VIABLE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT PARTY does not make me a Republican. I will vote for whoever is going to benefit the country that actually has a chance at winning. Just because I am voting for a republican from what I've seen so far does not make me a Republican. I'll vote for Joe Blow off the streets if his ideals align to what is in the best interest of my country and isn't a wasted vote.

If you choose to vote for people that are going to fuck my country, then that's your right, but at least don't pretend that you are voting for the best candidate available because I think even you aren't stupid enough to believe that.

That's a tell right there...lol! It's like a type of political Tourette's conservatives have about saying Democratic Party. Republican or libertarian, you're one or the other.

Come on out of the closet, it's OK... :biggrin:
 
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