Help me build a Work out Schedule !!!!!

dileepsv

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Id like to basically work out the entire body n tone the muscles... ive got monday - thursday inclusive with an hour n 20 minutes per day to work out...help me build a schedule for each day...

Abs - Monday
Weights - Tuesday
Legs/Calf Muslces - Wednesday
Chest...- Thursday

Thats my base schedule...please add any part that needs to be worked out...

Thanks so much!! :D
 
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Well, you have chest, arms (tri's, bi's), shoulders, traps, back (upper and lower), legs and abs. Put them in an order that works for you, BUT make sure you arrange things logically. You don't want to have your chest day right after your triceps day, simply because you won't have enough rest. Also, every one of your days should include weights, so I don't quite know what you mean by "Weights" on Tuesday :)
 

dileepsv

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i mean bi ceps n tri ceps by weight...how bout this

Abs and Back (Upper & Lower) - Monday
Arms (tri's, bi's) - Tuesday
Legs/Calf Muslces - Wednesday
Chest - Thursday
3 days of rest.
 
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Originally posted by: dileepsv
i mean bi ceps n tri ceps by weight...how bout this

Abs and Back (Upper & Lower) - Monday
Arms (tri's, bi's) - Tuesday
Legs/Calf Muslces - Wednesday
Chest - Thursday
3 days of rest.

That's not half bad. Usually I would try to let back have its own day and put abs on the chest day. It just makes for a more even workout time. The rest sounds pretty good to me.
 

dileepsv

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okay..i see..ill do that then...which day to put "Traps" ?
Btw.. what do "Traps" mean? sry i hav no clue lol.. :S
 

exar333

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trapezius - it's the muscle partly on your shoulder and down your next.
 

dileepsv

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This is it

Chest + triceps Monday

Forearms biceps + Back Tuesday

Abs + Calves/Legs Wednesday

Shoulders + Traps Thursday

Thanks for all your comments people!! Greatly appreciated!
 

purbeast0

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i work on a 4 day schedule.

monday - abs/shoulders/traps
tuesday - back/biceps
thursday - chest/triceps
saturday - legs

don't know if you care about this or not, but part of the reason i don't do chest on monday and do it at the end of the week is cause chest is typically everyone's favorite muscle to do, and most people tend to do it earlier in the week. on monday sin my gym, the benches are packed for bench pressing. usually when i do it thursday there is no problem finding a bench.
 

KoolDrew

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Originally posted by: dileepsv
This is it

Chest + triceps Monday

Forearms biceps + Back Tuesday

Abs + Calves/Legs Wednesday

Shoulders + Traps Thursday

Thanks for all your comments people!! Greatly appreciated!

So you're working upper body 3x a week and lower body once a week? Sounds like an incredible plan... :roll:
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Originally posted by: dileepsv
This is it

Chest + triceps Monday

Forearms biceps + Back Tuesday

Abs + Calves/Legs Wednesday

Shoulders + Traps Thursday

Thanks for all your comments people!! Greatly appreciated!

So you're working upper body 3x a week and lower body once a week? Sounds like an incredible plan... :roll:

actually his plan is fine. he's working each muscle group 1x week. don't know what your eye roll was all about.
 

KoolDrew

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And my response would be the same if you asked "Why don't you think 1x a week is optimal?"

From HST's site..

In order for the loading to result in significant hypertrophy, the stimulus must be applied with sufficient frequency to create a new "environment", as opposed to seemingly random and acute assaults on the mechanical integrity of the tissue. The downside of taking a week of rest every time you load a muscle is that many of the acute responses to training like increased protein synthesis, prostaglandins, IGF-1 levels, and mRNA levels all return to normal in about 36 hours. So, you spend 2 days growing and half a week in a semi-anticatabolic state returning to normal (some people call this recovery), when research shows us that recovery can take place unabated even if a the muscle is loaded again in 48 hours. So true anabolism from loading only lasts 2 days at best once the load is removed. The rest of the time you are simply balancing nitrogen retention without adding to it.

Now let me ask you again, since you really didn't answer the question... why do you seem to think 1x a week is optimal?
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Now let me ask you again, since you really didn't answer the question... why do you seem to think 1x a week is optimal?

because he only wants to go to the gym 4 days a week and he will get great results if he pushes himself and worksout properly.
 

KoolDrew

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Now let me ask you again, since you really didn't answer the question... why do you seem to think 1x a week is optimal?

because he only wants to go to the gym 4 days a week

So? Given an upper/lower split where everything is hit 2x a week, while still only going to the gym 4 days a week would give him better results, given volume and intensity are taken into consideration. That's my point.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Now let me ask you again, since you really didn't answer the question... why do you seem to think 1x a week is optimal?

because he only wants to go to the gym 4 days a week

So? Given an upper/lower split where everything is hit 2x a week, while still only going to the gym 4 days a week would give him better results, given volume and intensity are taken into consideration. That's my point.

instead of being an elitist why don't you give him advice then? i gave him some which i think is optimal so why don't you give him yours? as we all know there is no single correct way to lift weights. some ways work better for some than others.

there is no way in hell i could personally do my entire upper body 2x a week at the intensity I do while hitting each part of my upper body once a week, split into 3 days. i'd be in the gym like 3-4 hours a day doing my upper body and would be nowhere as intense as it is now.

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and i don't give a crap what some website says. if i'm still sore 3-4 days after i workout a muscle group, i'm not going to work it out again. as i said, i've been there done that, and i've seen much better gains doing my muscles 1x a week when compared to when I was doing the exact split you are talking about, doing each muscle group 2x a week, going to the gym 6 days a week, spending double the time in a full week than I do now.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Now let me ask you again, since you really didn't answer the question... why do you seem to think 1x a week is optimal?

because he only wants to go to the gym 4 days a week

So? Given an upper/lower split where everything is hit 2x a week, while still only going to the gym 4 days a week would give him better results, given volume and intensity are taken into consideration. That's my point.

instead of being an elitist why don't you give him advice then? i gave him some which i think is optimal so why don't you give him yours? as we all know there is no single correct way to lift weights. some ways work better for some than others.

there is no way in hell i could personally do my entire upper body 2x a week at the intensity I do while hitting each part of my upper body once a week, split into 3 days. i'd be in the gym like 3-4 hours a day doing my upper body and would be nowhere as intense as it is now.

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and i don't give a crap what some website says. if i'm still sore 3-4 days after i workout a muscle group, i'm not going to work it out again. as i said, i've been there done that, and i've seen much better gains doing my muscles 1x a week when compared to when I was doing the exact split you are talking about, doing each muscle group 2x a week, going to the gym 6 days a week, spending double the time in a full week than I do now.

Adding to pur's point - different things work for different people. I can pull up any number of websites that say to only workout each bodypart 1x a week. This stupid bullsh!t about "oh well this website says this, and it's the holy bible of working out so everything else out there is crap" is retarded.
 

KoolDrew

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instead of being an elitist why don't you give him advice then?

I mentioned doing an upper/lower split, which is what I'd recommend. Monday - Lower, Tuesday - Upper, Thursday - Lower, Friday - Upper. Yes, there's much more to a routine than what groups you hit each day, but that's about as far as you went with advice to the OP anyway. If the OP has specific questions about exercise choices, volume, etc. then I'd answer them.

there is no way in hell i could personally do my entire upper body 2x a week at the intensity I do while hitting each part of my upper body once a week, split into 3 days. i'd be in the gym like 3-4 hours a day doing my upper body and would be nowhere as intense as it is now.

Who the hell said anything about the same intensity? Obviously if frequency was higher, volume would be lower. And if your in the gym for 3-4 hours hitting upper body, you're obviously doing way too much volume. Let me guess... you sit there and do 15 sets of bicep curls just to chase the burn, don't you?

as i said, i've been there done that, and i've seen much better gains doing my muscles 1x a week when compared to when I was doing the exact split you are talking about, doing each muscle group 2x a week, going to the gym 6 days a week

Funny how you say "the exact split I'm talking about" but then mention going to the gym six days a week.

The 1x per week BS came around in the late 80's when BBers started talking about overtraining. They didn't understand the science behind it at all and were under the impression that your muscles needed to be fully recovered before training them again. Do yourself a favor and search google for the amount of time it takes for complete tissue remodeling. You'll find that it's a LOT longer than just a week, more like beyond a month. So you're never fully recovered when working it next week, not even close. People always confuse overtraining with muscular fatigue as well. Overtraining is more central nervous system than it is at the muscular level.

Have you ever seen any proffesional athlete train the way you are recommending? No, simply because it's not optimal. Would you recommend such a program to an athlete on here? What makes you think the OP is any different? You seem to think somehow just because he's only interested in body composition, that training should be completely different? Look at any powerlifter, none of them train the way you're talking about, yet most are huge. Yes, most are "fatter" than people would like to be here, but that's all diet, not routine. There have been a number of powerlifters that have cut down to sub-10% bodyfat. And no, they didn't so some 1x a week bodypart bullshit. You will not find an elite athlete training like that, nore would you find a coach who'd recommend their athletes do so. not only are 99.9% of athletes not trained that way, but there is a massive mound of scientific evidence to support it.

The ONLY people advocating what you are, BBing magazines. That's it, and the fact of the matter is that with drugs, BBing has fallen very behind on training knowledge. Ask any BBer about drugs and diet, and you could get a bunch of great advice. Training is a completely different story. A routine that works well for an elite BBer on an ass load of drugs won't have near the results on a natural average athlete.
 

purbeast0

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^^^^

you really do come off as an elitist prick. i never said what i recommended is the best way to do anything. all i did was recommend what has worked for me.

and wtf do professional athletes have to do with the OP? you really are trying to get all high of yourself.

he said he wants to workout his entire body and tone on a 4 day split. i told him what i do for those same goals on a 4 day split and what i've had good results with. you come in here and roll your eyes at his 4 day split like it's terrible. i've been lifting longer than most people on this board probably ( note i said most and not all ) and have done just as much "wrong" things as I have done right and i've learned from my mistakes.

am i a professional? no, i'm not. but i have been asked at my gym on more than 1 occassion of i would consider being a personal trainer there because some of the guys working there have seen the progress i've made when bulking and leaning.

and i laff at your assumptions that i do 15 sets of bicep curls ... :roll:
 

KoolDrew

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all i did was recommend what has worked for me.

I'm glad it worked for you, but does that mean it's optimal? I've seen plenty of people make alright progress on such routines, but I've also dealt with people who made no progress and started to once they trained movements more frequently. So it's not just research backing up my claims, real-world results do as well.

and wtf do professional athletes have to do with the OP?

There's a reason professional athletes don't train the way you're recommending, which was my point. You want to get better at something, you work at it frequently, would you not agree? That means concentrating on the main compound movements, doing them frequently, and getting stronger at them. Not throwing a bunch of chest exercises in on chest day or w/e and then wait a week and do the same thing. The best thing I ever did was start doing things more frequently. Things like heavy deadlifts can't really be done more than once a week without CNS fatique becoming a concern, but I saw my greatest strength gains once I started benching twice a week and squatting three times a week (the second squatting session was light, however). And I think we would both agree that if strength increases and there is a calorie surplus, so will muscle mass. Thus, I saw my greatest muscle gains while doing such a routine as well.

It just doesn't make sense why anybody would want to work a muscle only once a week. The most common response is recovery, which I already covered above. The only thing you mentioned was you didn't want to work out the same muscle again while being sore. That's fine, but if you trained more frequently those muscles wouldn't nearly be as sore. You're sore 3-4 days after because you waited a week before training it again. If the muscle is constantly in an environment where stress is applied to it, it won't be as much of a "shock" and adaption will occur. I used to squat heavy once a week and my legs would be sore days and days after. Then I started squatting 3x a week. Like anybody else, before I started I thought to myself I wouldn't be able to because how sore I get from just one session. However, I quickly realized that wasn't the case. Since I was squatting 3x a week, after about the first week my legs were never really sore, with the exception of feeling a little tight at the end of the workout.

am i a professional? no, i'm not. but i have been asked at my gym on more than 1 occassion of i would consider being a personal trainer there because some of the guys working there have seen the progress i've made when bulking and leaning.

And I've had tons of people come up to me all the time asking me for my routine and/or diet because of my progress. From people larger than myself, and from people smaller that have been doing exactly what you're recommending and seeing no progress. Yes, many people can progress fine on such a routine (obviously you have), but that doesn't make it optimal, nor does it even mean it's the best way to train for you. Some approaches work better than others, and some may not work at all for some people.

Honestly, have you ever tried a 3x a week full body routine or a 4x a week upper/lower split? If you have, what did the routines look like? How were your gains? How would you say diet and recovery was during the routines?
 

purbeast0

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you are running in circles bro and basically are saying that your way is the best. im not even saying my way is the best. i'm saying i've seen my best results from a split like that. and how are you going to tell me what is optimal for me, when you even say, as i did, that some stuff works better for certain people? :confused:

it's pointless to even continue this discussion with you. and again comparing to professional athletes is just stupid. they compete at a completely different level than 99.9% of people will ever compete at.

your penis is bigger than mine.

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op, hopefully you atleast get something out of this thread. good luck w/the program.
 

KoolDrew

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and basically are saying that your way is the best.

No, I'm saying muscle groups should be trained more than 1x a week. How you do it from there is up to you, whether it be some sort of 3x a week full body workout, upper/lower split, a Max Effort and Dynamic Effort type thing or w/e.

im not even saying my way is the best.

i gave him some which i think is optimal

Contradicting statements, are they not?

i'm saying i've seen my best results from a split like that.

Yet you ignore the questions presented to you about the past routines you've done.

and how are you going to tell me what is optimal for me, when you even say, as i did, that some stuff works better for certain people?

You misunderstood. Some people will not respond at all to a 1x a week type program, many may see decent gains. However, in both cases, a higher frequency would likely get them better results. Keep in mind, as a beginner, pretty much any non-retarded approach will work. As you become more experienced, training organization becomes a lot more important in order to see gains.

it's pointless to even continue this discussion with you.

It's not like you even attempted to discuss anything anyway. While I've been sitting here backing up everything I say and explaining WHY, you just sit there with an attitude "It worked for me, so everybody should do it this way." You've ignored every single one of my questions, and have not even attempted to explain how training each muscle group 1x a week is better. And now you want to end the discussion. Typical..
 

dileepsv

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i think ill just work out each muscle each day...n 3 days of rest.. not a hard core wurkout person..i juz need an hour n a half per day..so please write what schedule u think is best Kool Drew.. for a full body workout in four days.
Thanks a lot!!
 
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Well, dileepsv, although what KoolDrew says does have merit, it may be hard to squeeze everything into an hour and a half (if you include warmup and potential cardio). What exactly are your goals with working out? You want to be able to lift a lot? General fitness? Endurance? Looks? Some of each? If you give us those goals, then perhaps we can further adjust your routine. It would be difficult (at least for me) to do what Kool Drew has suggested AND do cardio. This is where something like CrossFit would come handy due to the HIIT involved in the timed weighted-exercises.

EDIT: Also, both purbeast and KoolDrew are trying to help. They're being kinda hostile, but what they both say has some merit for different goals.

To purbeast and KoolDrew: although I appreciate your guys' involvement in the H&F forum, there is a sense of respect we, as problem-solvers and helpers, need to give one another. If you disagree, do so in a logical and respectful manner. Please keep this in mind next time. Thanks.