Help GTX750 Ti comparison to GTX260 Core 216

[chrisc615]

I'm trying to figure out if this would be an upgrade or side grade. I'm trying to run my system with less power and noise. Would another video card be a better option price to performance for what i'm trying to accomplish.

I dont do a huge amount of gaming but when I do decent settings @ 1080 is what I go for.

I have:
i7 920 CPU
w/ the GTX260
EVGA x58 SLI Board

I plan on doing a couple change to my fan configuration to help with noise also.
I'm trying to have this computer go for another few years before I build a new one.

Thanks

 

[Majcric]

While I don't know the percentage right off the top of my head, it would be a definite upgrade. I'm going to guess at least double or more fps.

 

[Leyawiin]

A GTX 260 (216) is comparable to a GTX 650. A GTX 750 Ti would be about 50% faster.

 

[chrisc615]

Okay wow! definite upgrade! Thanks

 

[RussianSensation]

A GTX 260 (216) is comparable to a GTX 650. A GTX 750 Ti would be about 50% faster.

I think your estimate is off. GTX260 216 is at 81 VP (650 is slightly lower) while GTX750Ti ~ GTX570/480 which is 154-155 VP. That would make GTX750Ti almost 2X faster than a GTX260 216.

OP, the issue with the 750Ti is that right now it sits in an awkward pricing range and generally speaking it's not that great for 1080P gaming to keep for 2-3 years as you seem to want to do.

If you are trying to save $, then the R7 260X 2GB is at least as fast as the 750Ti on average but costs $80, while most 750Ti cards cost $100-110.

From an overall standpoint, I think you should look at a class above such as GTX950/960/380/280/280X and preferably a 3-4GB card. If you do not mind waiting for deals, there will probably be more sales this holiday season on all of these cards. It just depends what your budget is; however since you waited that long to upgrade, I don't think I'd personally be happy with just 2X faster over your card. If 750Ti is roughly ~2X faster than your card, if you get a card 70% faster than the 750Ti for just $50 more, you'll be getting a card 3.3-3.4X faster than yours. In your context the extra $50 above the $100 GTX750Ti's price would provide an exponential increase in performance, while possibly landing you a 3-4GB card as well.

I would also suggest that you buy an after-market cooler. Most of those 920 CPUs can overclock to at least 3.6Ghz without much effort, some even go to 4-4.4Ghz with a solid air cooler. Even a $15 air cooler on sale would allow you to hit 3.6-3.7Ghz on the 920. 920 is very easy to overclock as many of them can go to 3.8-4.0Ghz on stock voltage.

I think if you are patient enough there will be this quarter on a GTX960 4GB, R9 380 4GB or R9 280X 3GB for $150. The extra $50 over the 750Ti is well worth it. Alternatively, there are bound to be sales on the 750Ti for $70-80 as well.

 

[LTC8K6]

What is your budget for the new card?

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150732&cm_re=r9-380-_-14-150-732-_-Product

R9-380 for $170 after the rebate.

 

[chrisc615]

Was trying to stay in the low $100 range. I saw the GTX750 for $100 after rebate. I figured I would start looking around and getting opinions. I could go upwards $150-175 if its a good deal/ performance bump.

 

[LTC8K6]

The 750ti will be a nice upgrade.

Are you sticking with NV? The AMD R7-260X linked above is a good deal.

950 for $159 - bigger jump

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487156&cm_re=gtx950-_-14-487-156-_-Product

960 for $169 after rebate - much bigger jump

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121929&cm_re=GTX960-_-14-121-929-_-Product

 

[RussianSensation]

Was trying to stay in the low $100 range. I saw the GTX750 for $100 after rebate. I figured I would start looking around and getting opinions. I could go upwards $150-175 if its a good deal/ performance bump.

It's possible to get 750Ti for $100, so ignore the 750. 750 non-Ti has gone down as low as $50 in the US. Are you upgrading for a specific game since if you want to play right now or soon, then it might not make sense to wait 1-1.5 months for the best deal while all this time you could be gaming. I think if you buy a $20-30 CPU cooler and a 950/960/285/280/380 level card for $150, and overclock the 920, that would keep you happy for 2-3 years since you don't play that often.

 

[chrisc615]

I'm sorry it was the GTX750 Ti I saw for $100. I think yall have convinced me to get a card in that next level. I can wait a little while, i'm not in a huge rush no game in particular.

I could go amd or nvidia no preference.

I actually have a aftermarket cooler, I've ran the chip at 3.4-3.6 before. I can def. bump it back up.

 

[Blue_Max]

You also gain the ability to play DX11 games. I had to upgrade my kids from the same GTX260-216's and the 750TI was notably faster, better-looking, and SO much quieter!

 

[RussianSensation]

I'm sorry it was the GTX750 Ti I saw for $100. I think yall have convinced me to get a card in that next level. I can wait a little while, i'm not in a huge rush no game in particular.

I could go amd or nvidia no preference.

I actually have a aftermarket cooler, I've ran the chip at 3.4-3.6 before. I can def. bump it back up.

What is your power supply brand/power rating/12V rail maximum?

 

[xorbe]

You also gain the ability to play DX11 games. I had to upgrade my kids from the same GTX260-216's and the 750TI was notably faster, better-looking, and SO much quieter!

This here. 750Ti should be a hands down win.

 

[RussianSensation]

This here. 750Ti should be a hands down win.

Why?

1. R7 260X is at least as fast for 25% less cost.

2. He has held on to a GTX260 216 for so long that chances are he will hold on to his future GPU for at least 2-3 years. Based on that factor alone, 750Ti isn't a good enough upgrade. Looking at the performance leap alone doesn't tell the whole story either. Yes, it's about 2X faster but the card will still get killed in modern titles at 1080P.

3. He has already overclocked his 920 and is willing to push it harder which means he can take advantage of faster cards like the 960/380/280X.

4. It might be cheaper long-term and/or provide a better overall user experience to just suck it up and pay $50-75 extra upfront over the 750Ti to get way more performance.

IMO, the GTX750Ti is another overrated card of this generation. There is really nothing special about it besides power usage. Its performance is lacklustre already in 2015, nevermind to keep for 2-3 years.

With GTX950 already dropping to $145, there is little doubt that with some patience the OP will be able to find a card 60-70% faster than the GTX750Ti at a $150 price bracket.

The other issue is we've had $120-130 R9 270/270X that pound a GTX750Ti by 35-45% so the timing is all off to buy a 750Ti now.

Computerbase has R9 380 beating GTX750Ti by 75% at 1080P. I have no doubts there will be a $150 R9 380 4GB on sale this holiday (or a 960 4GB). 750Ti's success largely rests on OEMs being able to bundle it with $5 300W PSUs and the rest is pure marketing. It was never actually a good videocard.

 

[Majcric]

Was trying to stay in the low $100 range. I saw the GTX750 for $100 after rebate. I figured I would start looking around and getting opinions. I could go upwards $150-175 if its a good deal/ performance bump.

If you do decide to go ahead and step it up to the next lvl of card, I would opt for one with 3 or 4gb Vram.

 

[Keysplayr]

750Ti is a nice upgrade OP.

 

[chrisc615]

It's a corsair tx650 54a

 

[Leyawiin]

I think your estimate is off. GTX260 216 is at 81 VP (650 is slightly lower) while GTX750Ti ~ GTX570/480 which is 154-155 VP. That would make GTX750Ti almost 2X faster than a GTX260 216.

OP, the issue with the 750Ti is that right now it sits in an awkward pricing range and generally speaking it's not that great for 1080P gaming to keep for 2-3 years as you seem to want to do.



If you are trying to save $, then the R7 260X 2GB is at least as fast as the 750Ti on average but costs $80, while most 750Ti cards cost $100-110.

From an overall standpoint, I think you should look at a class above such as GTX950/960/380/280/280X and preferably a 3-4GB card. If you do not mind waiting for deals, there will probably be more sales this holiday season on all of these cards. It just depends what your budget is; however since you waited that long to upgrade, I don't think I'd personally be happy with just 2X faster over your card. If 750Ti is roughly ~2X faster than your card, if you get a card 70% faster than the 750Ti for just $50 more, you'll be getting a card 3.3-3.4X faster than yours. In your context the extra $50 above the $100 GTX750Ti's price would provide an exponential increase in performance, while possibly landing you a 3-4GB card as well.

I would also suggest that you buy an after-market cooler. Most of those 920 CPUs can overclock to at least 3.6Ghz without much effort, some even go to 4-4.4Ghz with a solid air cooler. Even a $15 air cooler on sale would allow you to hit 3.6-3.7Ghz on the 920. 920 is very easy to overclock as many of them can go to 3.8-4.0Ghz on stock voltage.

I think if you are patient enough there will be this quarter on a GTX960 4GB, R9 380 4GB or R9 280X 3GB for $150. The extra $50 over the 750Ti is well worth it. Alternatively, there are bound to be sales on the 750Ti for $70-80 as well.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/681?vs=664

Dead heat.

As far as the GTX 650 vs. GTX 750 Ti I may have been a bit off on the comparison, but I'm basing it on anecdotal observation of games I play since I OWN BOTH. I also owned a GTX 260 216 up until 2010 and again, using anecdotal observation the GTX 650 plays the games I had back then more or less the same (and yes, I know drivers change, etc... but its still fair). As far as the R7 260X goes its about 10% slower than a GTX 750 Ti and uses 40-50W more power AND needs a six pin which at least half the GTX 750 Ti models don't. Plus they're at least $99.99 at Newegg - same as the cheapest Zotac GTX 750 Ti. I have a Gigabyte R7 360 as well (factory clocked to 1200 Mhz so a far comparison to the R7 260X @ 1030 Mhz). The EVGA GTX 750 Ti SC I own is definitely the better of the two.

 

[AtenRa]

I have a Gigabyte R7 360 as well (factory clocked to 1200 Mhz so a far comparison to the R7 260X @ 1030 Mhz). The EVGA GTX 750 Ti SC I own is definitely the better of the two.

R7 360 is not the same as 260X.

R7 260X has 896 shaders with 54 TMUs at 1100MHz

R7 360 only have 768 shaders with 48 TMUs at 1050MHz

 

[Blue_Max]

Why? R7 260X is at least as fast for 25% less cost.

This is an important point. I had to upgrade my kids - they couldn't play Medieval Engineers (a DX11 ONLY title) with the GTX 260.

Space Engineers also looks much better in DX11 mode vs. DX9

The system that got the GTX 750 was also an OEM machine with small power supply AND was very fussy about AMD cards while perfectly accepting of nVidia.


So - are you doing it on a whim or do you have a specific need to fill? There are faster cards for similar money, or similar for less. If you're already running a GTX 260 your power supply can certainly handle something faster and fancier than the 750 no problem.

 

[Shmee]

Perhaps condsider a used 7950-7970/280-280X. If you are willing to buy used, you may find one of these great cards in your price range.

 

[xorbe]

Why?

I meant versus op's GTX 260, performance-wise. I leave the brand religion to you.

 

[RussianSensation]

I meant versus op's GTX 260, performance-wise. I leave the brand religion to you.

Oh I see you meant it's a solid upgrade from a 260 216. It is an upgrade but given the existing prices of 750Ti and how long the OP has held on to his card, I think it's better to go one level higher to 950/960/280 which can often be found for $145-150. I already explained in my earlier post why these cards are better relative to his GPU upgrade path.

 

[RussianSensation]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/681?vs=664

Dead heat.

That's not the point I am disputing if you read my comment one my time. Your comment about 750Ti being 50% faster is not right. It's faster by much more than that.

I also owned a GTX 260 216 up until 2010 and again, using anecdotal observation the GTX 650 plays the games I had back then more or less the same (and yes, I know drivers change, etc... but its still fair).

Again, this point is not being disputed. GTX260 216 and 650 are roughly equal which is what I already said (they are within 8% of each other on average, probably in modern games almost tied). This isn't the point of my comment.

As far as the R7 260X goes its about 10% slower than a GTX 750 Ti and uses 40-50W more power AND needs a six pin which at least half the GTX 750 Ti models don't. Plus they're at least $99.99 at Newegg - same as the cheapest Zotac GTX 750 Ti.

R7 260X is $80 after rebate, not $100. Since 750Ti 2GB is also $100 after rebate, we are comparing apples-to-apples, as in after rebate prices.

Since 750Ti cannot outperform R7 260X and it costs 25% less, it's not worth recommending. I already typed the exact same thing earlier.

I have a Gigabyte R7 360 as well (factory clocked to 1200 Mhz so a far comparison to the R7 260X @ 1030 Mhz). The EVGA GTX 750 Ti SC I own is definitely the better of the two.

Based on what? 3rd party testing shows 750Ti and R7 260X trading blows.

That's not even the point. Frankly 750Ti and R7 260X aren't that great to start with. It's way better to just step up to an R9 280 3GB for $150. 3GB of VRAM, massive overclocking headroom that allows it to trade blows with a 770 and lifetime warranty.

Again, comparing $100 750Ti to an $80 R7 260X or to a $150 R9 280 3GB, the 750Ti is the overpriced card in this trio.

R9 280 costs $50 more but you get 50% more VRAM, lifetime warranty and out of the box 65% higher performance (280 ~ 285):

Don't forget that the DX12 performance we have seen so far has 750Ti bombing against a 285/280:

In most of your posts you continue to keep recommending NV's 750Ti, 960 while not taking account the changing marketplace (newer games, DX12 benches) and most importantly changing prices and continuously rising VRAM demands where 2GB is becoming a bare minimum. You have to revisit things from time to time because what used to be a safe recommendation is now a bad one.

For example, it has been covered by me and other members that 2GB is becoming a real issue in AAA games but yet you continue to ignore this point. I already said though if the OP only games occasionally, a GTX750Ti or R7 260X/265 could work.