Help creating a diet?

Atty

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I've been working out for about two months now and while I've noticed some improvment its not what I want.

When I started I was 225lbs and 5'10, I'm now 210lbs. In two months time I think I should have lost more then that, especially since over the summer I lost nearly 30lbs in two months, although that was from nearly starving myself and working all day, when school started up I became a bit more lax in my amount of physical exertion and a bit more heavy on my food intake.

Now, from what I can tell, I don't eat that bad, although thats because I hardly eat at all, for instance yesterday I went the entire day only eating a Snickers Marathon protein bar at 1pm after my work out (which was 1.5 hours), I had been up since 10am, only drank water, and then around 7pm I had a few bites of roast beef and a bite of potatoes (left over dinner, honestly, i had about a mouth full and then stopped eating.) I didn't eat anything else until around 11pm when I had a small fruit snack.

Now, the reason I starve myself like that is because I don't know what I should be eating, everything I look at has a lot of fats, sodium, carbs, calories, etc, and I stay away from it, leading me to not eat, but when I do I eat whatever is available.

What I need is different foods or ideas of what to eat, when I should eat, etc. I tried looking up diets online but what I get from one is contradicted in another so I thought asking a group of real people would be the better idea, not reading some report that for all I know could have been made to help sell some product.

A few bits of information about my normal diet though: I don't drink any soda or anything with caffeine, no coffee, etc, I don't eat out a lot (maybe once a month sometimes) and I don't eat fast food as a personal rule, only on super rare occasions when food is necessary and no other option is available. I'm a good enough cook to try most any combinations to eat healthy and have the income to support buying more expensive foods to stay healthy I just don't know what I should be getting.

I hope I've explained what I am asking clearly and can get some good responses from you guys and girls, as rare as you all are on the internet!
 
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Read the sticky at the very top of the health and fitness forum. I talk about exactly this problem. PM me if you need help after that :)
 

Kaido

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Shell out $30 and take the headache out of it: (7-day 6-meal rotating diet plan, which you can use for the rest of your life!)

http://www.anthonycatanzaro.com/dietplans.html

Getting ripped is all about food. As the saying goes, 80% of fitness is done in the kitchen, not in the gym. What you eat, when you eat, how much you eat - that's the main key. Read this article to get a better idea; Peter struggled through a lot of stuff before figuring it out:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/other3.htm
 

KoolDrew

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http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=46565

1-2 Gallons of Water a day

Protein

Boneless, Skinless Chicken Breast
Tuna (water packed)
Fish (salmon, seabass, halibut, sushi, mahi mahi, Orange roughi, tilapia, Sardines)
Shrimp
Extra Lean Ground Beef or Ground Round (92-96%)
Venison
Buffalo
Ostrich
Protein Powder (Whey, Casein, Soy, Egg)
Eggs
Low or Non-Fat Cottage cheese, Ricotta
Low fat or Non fat Yogurt
Ribeye Steaks or Roast
Top Round Steaks or Roast (stew meat, London broil, Stir fry)
Top Sirloin (Sirloin Top Butt)
Beef Tenderloin (filet mignon)
Top Loin (NY Strip Steak)
Flank Steak (Stir Fry, Fajitas)
Eye of Round (Cube meat, Stew meat, Bottom Round)
Ground Turkey, Turkey Breast slices or cutlets (*no deli or sandwich meats)

Complex Carbs (nothing enriched, bleached or processed if possible)

Oatmeal (Old fashioned, Quick oats, Irish steal cut)
Sweet Potatoes, Yams
Beans (Black eyed, Pinto, Red, Kidney, Black)
Oat Bran Cereal, Grape nuts, Rye cereal, Multi grain hot cereal
Farin (Cream of wheat)
Whole Wheat frozen Bagels, Pitas
Whole wheat or Spinach Pasta, Whey Pasta
Rice (Brown, white, jasmin, basmiti, arborio, wild)
Potatoes (red, white, baking)

Fibrous Carbs

Green Leafy lettuce (red, green, romaine)
Broccoli
Asparagus
String Beans
Spinach
Bell Pepers (Green or Red)
Brussels Sprouts
Cauliflower
Cabbage
Celery
Cucumber
Carrots
Eggplant
Onions
Pumpkin
Garlic
Tomatoes
Zucchini

Fruit (If acceptable on diet)
bananas, oranges, apples, grapefruit, peaches, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, lemons or limes

Healthy Fats

Natural Style Peanut Butter
Olive oil, Safflower oil
Flaxseed oil
Fish Oil
Nuts (peanuts, almonds, walnuts)

Dairy

Eggs
Low of Non-Fat cottage cheese, Ricotta
Low or non-fat milk
Low fat or non-fat yogurt

Condiments & Spices

Diet Soda
Crystal light
Fat free mayonaise
Reduced sodium Soy Sauce
Reduced sodium Teriyaki Sauce
balsamic Vinegar
Salsa, Jalepenos
Hot peppers and Hot sauce, Cayanne pepper
Chili powder and Chili paste
Mrs. Dash
Steak Sauce
Sugar free Maple Syrup
Mustard
Extracts (vanilla, almond, etc)
Low sodium beef or chicken Broth
Plain or reduced sodium tomatoe sauce or paste
 
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Judging by the eating habits in the original post, I think creating a diet plan is a fantastic idea. However, I think your weight loss expections are unrealistic. Why would you be disappointed with losing 15lbs in 2 months? If your goals are overly optimistic, you are only setting yourself up for failure. Remember a healthy diet is a life-long committment - not something you should expect to dump in 6 months after losing a bunch of weight.
 

jiggahertz

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Originally posted by: iAtticus
I've been working out for about two months now and while I've noticed some improvment its not what I want.

When I started I was 225lbs and 5'10, I'm now 210lbs. In two months time I think I should have lost more then that, especially since over the summer I lost nearly 30lbs in two months, although that was from nearly starving myself and working all day, when school started up I became a bit more lax in my amount of physical exertion and a bit more heavy on my food intake.

Now, from what I can tell, I don't eat that bad, although thats because I hardly eat at all, for instance yesterday I went the entire day only eating a Snickers Marathon protein bar at 1pm after my work out (which was 1.5 hours), I had been up since 10am, only drank water, and then around 7pm I had a few bites of roast beef and a bite of potatoes (left over dinner, honestly, i had about a mouth full and then stopped eating.) I didn't eat anything else until around 11pm when I had a small fruit snack.

Now, the reason I starve myself like that is because I don't know what I should be eating, everything I look at has a lot of fats, sodium, carbs, calories, etc, and I stay away from it, leading me to not eat, but when I do I eat whatever is available.

What I need is different foods or ideas of what to eat, when I should eat, etc. I tried looking up diets online but what I get from one is contradicted in another so I thought asking a group of real people would be the better idea, not reading some report that for all I know could have been made to help sell some product.

A few bits of information about my normal diet though: I don't drink any soda or anything with caffeine, no coffee, etc, I don't eat out a lot (maybe once a month sometimes) and I don't eat fast food as a personal rule, only on super rare occasions when food is necessary and no other option is available. I'm a good enough cook to try most any combinations to eat healthy and have the income to support buying more expensive foods to stay healthy I just don't know what I should be getting.

I hope I've explained what I am asking clearly and can get some good responses from you guys and girls, as rare as you all are on the internet!

15 lbs in 2 months is almost at 2lbs/wk pace even though your diet still has a lot to be desired. Eventually, you're going to crash if you keep eating like how you are. Berardi is a good source for nutrional info.

Lean Eating Part I
Lean Eating Part II
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: jiggahertz
Originally posted by: Kaido

You definitely want to stay away from "diet" anything, especially products with aspartame in them (the alternative super-sugar). It's been known to cause problems in regular doses.

That "regular" dose would be 19 diet cokes/day for me.

You better start cutting back then ;) :D
 

purbeast0

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KoolDrew question about the deli meats ... why are those not recommended?

i was eatin 2 deli meat sandwiches/day for my lunch when I was pretty ripped a few summers ago and could cut up just fine while eating those.

is it just cause of the sodium?
 

jiggahertz

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
KoolDrew question about the deli meats ... why are those not recommended?

i was eatin 2 deli meat sandwiches/day for my lunch when I was pretty ripped a few summers ago and could cut up just fine while eating those.

is it just cause of the sodium?

They're referring to the processed deli meats that are basically formed into the shape of a turkey breast or whatever. They are high in sodium and are basically the ground up leftover parts that can't be sold whole.
 

KoolDrew

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
KoolDrew question about the deli meats ... why are those not recommended?

i was eatin 2 deli meat sandwiches/day for my lunch when I was pretty ripped a few summers ago and could cut up just fine while eating those.

is it just cause of the sodium?

My stance on food in general is if it fits in your daily calories and macros, go ahead and eat them. I just posted a list of recommended foods that was posted on another forum. You're not limited to only those.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
KoolDrew question about the deli meats ... why are those not recommended?

i was eatin 2 deli meat sandwiches/day for my lunch when I was pretty ripped a few summers ago and could cut up just fine while eating those.

is it just cause of the sodium?

On a related note, I started slicing at home with extremely good results. You can save almost half the cost of your weekly deli meat bill by picking up a simple deli slicer. Walmart has a plastic one that works well for only $30. Plus it cuts fruits, veggies, and bread. I use mine to make thin slices for sandwiches and thick slices for frying up with breakfast or for mini-steaks with meals, and for chopping into small cubes for omelets.
 

theeedude

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I just load up on celery to fill me up before I eat, that way I eat less. :)
Also, I turned off my fridge during the week, so I have nothing to eat at home except celery. It also saves about $1/day in electricity bill :)
If you want something low fat and good for you to dip your celery in, take half a cup of low fat plain Kefir and add some chili sauce to it to make dip.
That stuff is loaded with protein and calcium and low on fat, and it has live cultures which are great for your digestion.
http://www.nutrimirror.com/nut...lain/14659/8.000/25034
For lunch and dinner, I eat salad with chicken or fish and veggies.
The only time I eat anything sweetened, pasta, or desert is if I plan to go running or biking a lot within a few hours and want to carb load. If I slip up and eat something "bad" then I do a lot of cardio and burn off those calories before they get stored as fat.
For example, this weekend, I lost control and just mowed down a full pack of Skinny Cow Ice cream sandwiches in one sitting, six at 150 calories. NAUGHTY!!! So then I got up and ran mountain trails for 3.5hrs. NICE!!! So what could have been a bad thing turned out to be good because I not only enjoyed those ice cream sandwiches, but then I used their energy to fuel myself on a long distance run and enjoyed the great outdoors in the process. Plus, while I was running out there, I was staying busy and not at home mowing down more junk food.
So you have to think of these calories as functional units. If you lifted weights, you need protein to rebuild muscle, if you are doing a lot of cardio you need carbs for easily accessible energy. But if you didn't lift weights and eat protein, it will be converted to fat, and same thing with carbs you didn't burn on cardio. Also, it is a good idea to eat carbs that will release energy at the same rate you plan to burn it, more complex slow burning carbs if you are doing endurance training, and more refined carbs for intense shorter workouts. Don't try to starve yourself to lose weight, but have a small but consistent calorie deficit while maintaining high metabolism. It adds up over time and is easier to maintain.
 

TallBill

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I buy 1 pound $2 bags of shelled sunflower seeds. Loaded with protein and calories. Awesome to munch on. It's just shy of 3,000 calories in a $2 bag. Oats are very dense too. Try for 6 meals a day.
 

Atty

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'm going to make a list and plan out some meal ideas for the next time we go grocery shopping.

Although I'm wondering about some things, eating close to bed? How bad is it? Is there anything I can eat before going to bed thats at all healthy? Like right now I'm nearly painfully hungry.
 

Atty

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'm going to make a list and plan out some meal ideas for the next time we go grocery shopping.

Although I'm wondering about some things, eating close to bed? How bad is it? Is there anything I can eat before going to bed thats at all healthy? Like right now I'm nearly painfully hungry.
 

MegaVovaN

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Originally posted by: iAtticus
Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'm going to make a list and plan out some meal ideas for the next time we go grocery shopping.

Although I'm wondering about some things, eating close to bed? How bad is it? Is there anything I can eat before going to bed thats at all healthy? Like right now I'm nearly painfully hungry.

IMO tackle going to bed early first....then you can worry about not eating right before bed. For now, go ahead and eat something.
 

jiggahertz

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Originally posted by: iAtticus
Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'm going to make a list and plan out some meal ideas for the next time we go grocery shopping.

Although I'm wondering about some things, eating close to bed? How bad is it? Is there anything I can eat before going to bed thats at all healthy? Like right now I'm nearly painfully hungry.

For conserving muscle mass you'd like to take in a slow digesting protein (cottage cheese, chicken breast, etc.) before bed