Hell is freezing over! A cop is actually doing time for a screwup!

[Zebo]

Or fined 1.5 million for copyright infringement. It'll be interesting to see what that guys family gets. Do you think he's worth more than a handful of songs? I bet not....

LOL bites and bits. That aint no shit. Sad

 

[Zebo]

The cop killed somebody, Grant never did, I'll tell you which one I'm more scare of, the cop. One's a criminal and the other's a killer, it's no contest who I'd rather not cross paths with. And honestly now that the cop killed somebody who wasn't even a threat I'd consider him a criminal. Regardless of it Grant was resisting arrest, the office had no idea who he was. So it wasn't like he had found a suspect the force was on a manhunt for and knew was dangerous. A civilian didn't comply and was killed. The cop is the only one in the wrong here, you can't kill somebody for resiting arrest. That's of course assuming he was resisting, nobody knows for sure. But I sure as fuck wouldn't believe the cops side of the story here. He'll say whatever he has to in order to make sure he spends as little time in jail as he has to.

He was not resiting. Don't believe that shit for a second. He was not some hard hittin 260 lb thug, Dude was like 145 lbs soakin wet and woman could have controlled him but this boy shit his pants and panicked. Everyone knows this.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

As are police officers, who are sworn and have a DUTY to respond and do their job.

The punishment for disobeying an order in a war zone is death, the punishment for doing it elsewhere is immediate discharge, do you think cops follow orders like soldiers do?

Unless, of course, it was unintentional ACCIDENT. Hell, members of the military skip away without punishment when they INTENTIONALLY fire their weapons and kill the wrong people. Split second judgements, simple negligence, reasonable human error, fog of war = hundreds of thousands of innocent or unintended persons killed in military action and nobody was punished. Why? A-C-C-I-D-E-N-T.

There is no such thing as an accident for a soldier, only disobeying orders, if you had an accident that was DEFINENTLY disobeying orders.

There are no if or fucking buts about it in my line of work, you'll do what the fuck you're told or you are dead as fucking death, is that fucking clear to you or do you still want to go with "it's the same for police and soldiers"?

The wise and beautiful woman fired his gun into an unarmed opponents back while he was lying on his stomach.

Accident? ... ? I don't give a fuck if it was or wasn't, he did it and as a trained professional he should be sentenced harder than others because he should fucking know better.

And i don't believe for a fucking second that it was an accident if the guy was sober.

From what i'm told you don't usually carry them close enough to mistake them at all nor are the grips even close nor could you miss the difference in barrel size.

But let's forgive and forget, right? After all, when he does that to your son who happened to be walking down the street as a dangerous perp, your son had it coming...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It just adds to the whole theme in USA today govt is above the law, bankers, cops, politicians but regular people are doing life for stealing a Pizza. Yeah.

That is fucking good on ya!

Get pissed and stay pissed on real injusticies committed, we all fucking deserve better, not just in your nation but in mine too.

I'm so sick and fucking tired of hearing about "we the people" when those saying it sit at home, jerk off and hope for better times and none of them are REALLY pissed off.

It's good to see someone getting pissed off at injustice, makes it a hell of a lot easier to last another day.

 

[tcsenter]

The punishment for disobeying an order in a war zone is death, the punishment for doing it elsewhere is immediate discharge, do you think cops follow orders like soldiers do?

HAHAHAHA! The standards of professional conduct and protocol are categorically LOWER for the military than for civilian police officers in any modern country. You seriously expect me to believe that some 19 year-old moron who was allowed to escape jail time for a drug conviction by entering the military, and then is allowed to tote a gun after a measly 15 weeks of training (most of which is just indoctrination, physical conditioning, learning rank and insignia, chain of command, etc) is held to higher professional standards of training and conduct than an officer who completed a ONE YEAR police academy or TWO YEAR criminal justice program?

Do you want to know what a Special Forces Medic, one of THE MOST rigorous and time-consuming training requirements in the entire military, is qualified to do in the civilian world? He's qualified to be a freaking entry-level EMT who makes about $10/hr in a city where McDonald's would pay $15 for flipping burgers, not even a paramedic. He would actually need to take about six more months of training to work as a paramedic in the civilian world.

The idea that military training is more extensive or held to higher professional standards of conduct than equivalent/comparable civilian jobs is laughable and provably false.

 

[Zebo]

HAHAHAHA! The standards of professional conduct and protocol are categorically LOWER for the military than for civilian police officers in any modern country. You seriously expect me to believe that some 19 year-old moron who was allowed to escape jail time for a drug conviction by entering the military, and then is allowed to tote a gun after a measly 15 weeks of training (most of which is just indoctrination, physical conditioning, learning rank and insignia, chain of command, etc) is held to higher professional standards of training and conduct than an officer who completed a ONE YEAR police academy or TWO YEAR criminal justice program?

Do you want to know what a Special Forces Medic, one of THE MOST rigorous and time-consuming training requirements in the entire military, is qualified to do in the civilian world? He's qualified to be a freaking entry-level EMT who makes about $10/hr in a city where McDonald's would pay $15 for flipping burgers, not even a paramedic. He would actually need to take about six more months of training to work as a paramedic in the civilian world.

The idea that military training is more extensive or held to higher professional standards of conduct than equivalent/comparable civilian jobs is laughable and provably false.

Truly clueless. Any SF NCO is guaranteed a leadership position in a fortune 500 if he does not want to work for Xe for $300,000 a year.

 

[tcsenter]

Truly clueless. Any SF NCO is guaranteed a leadership position in a fortune 500 if he does not want to work for Xe for $300,000 a year.

Not without an undergraduate degree in related business field, from a good school, graduate degree is more likely. Which is the same chances for anyone who has a similar degree from a good school. Show me a Fortune 500 exec whose only qualifications are ex-SF. Ain't gonna happen, unless they're working corporate security or executive protection.

Hell, an ex-SF is required to put in a minimum of one full year at Quantico to become an FBI Special Agent (although they will fast track you). And the bachelors degree is still required.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

HAHAHAHA! The standards of professional conduct and protocol are categorically LOWER for the military than for civilian police officers in any modern country. You seriously expect me to believe that some 19 year-old moron who was allowed to escape jail time for a drug conviction by entering the military, and then is allowed to tote a gun after a measly 15 weeks of training (most of which is just indoctrination, physical conditioning, learning rank and insignia, chain of command, etc) is held to higher professional standards of training and conduct than an officer who completed a ONE YEAR police academy or TWO YEAR criminal justice program?

There is no discussion to be had on this matter. I'd discuss it with you but you are a squeling little shit, i should have known you were when you couldn't even stand by the words you said yourself, gave you the benefit of the doubt, be thankful that you are not part of my team.

Do you want to know what a Special Forces Medic, one of THE MOST rigorous and time-consuming training requirements in the entire military, is qualified to do in the civilian world? He's qualified to be a freaking entry-level EMT who makes about $10/hr in a city where McDonald's would pay $15 for flipping burgers, not even a paramedic. He would actually need to take about six more months of training to work as a paramedic in the civilian world.

The idea that military training is more extensive or held to higher professional standards of conduct than equivalent/comparable civilian jobs is laughable and provably false.

Ok, a medic is trained in medicinal skills, their specop skills are non-existant, there are no medics following spec-op teams, none what so ever, whoever told you this shit was lying.

I don't make all that much but i make enough, it's not up for discussion either.

I've dealt with the same men since Bosnia in 1989, but i'm sure that we are all laughable to you, i'm sure that you are as retarded and dishonest as you have proven yourself to be and not man enough to stand behind your own words either...

But most of all, i'm sure that IF you ever met me, you'd shit your pants if i looked at you and you knew who i was...

Pathetic.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Not without an undergraduate degree in related business field, from a good school, graduate degree is more likely. Which is the same chances for anyone who has a similar degree from a good school. Show me a Fortune 500 exec whose only qualifications are ex-SF. Ain't gonna happen, unless they're working corporate security or executive protection.

Hell, an ex-SF is required to put in a minimum of one full year at Quantico to become an FBI Special Agent (although they will fast track you). And the bachelors degree is still required.

I could work security in Kuwait for 800K a year leading a security team, but i'm who i am and you don't do what i do for the money, nor do you do it for pride or loyalty, no one except those in the same situation will EVER get it.

I do it becuase for almost 30 years now, that's what i do.

 

[Zebo]

Not without an undergraduate degree in related business field, from a good school, graduate degree is more likely. Which is the same chances for anyone who has a similar degree from a good school. Show me a Fortune 500 exec whose only qualifications are ex-SF. Ain't gonna happen, unless they're working corporate security or executive protection.

Hell, an ex-SF is required to put in a minimum of one full year at Quantico to become an FBI Special Agent (although they will fast track you). And the bachelors degree is still required.

You'd be surprised what they are worth. My BIL was a Ranger not even SF which has more people skills, and after bosina went to work for Hughes as manager of a small IT communications division. I'm not sure exactly what he did but he made good money. Then when this latest Iraq war started he went to work for dyncorp making about $12,000 a month. I know this for a fact because my sister and him bought a 34 acre ranch cash in killen tx and I'm like HTF you afford that and they told me.

BTW I'm a big dude about 6'4" 240 and would not fuck with his little 5'9" hard solid as steel ass. LOL. That's worth somthing.

 

[tcsenter]

Ok, a medic is trained in medicinal skills, their specop skills are non-existant, there are no medics following spec-op teams, none what so ever, whoever told you this shit was lying.

US Army Special Forces MOS 18 Delta:

http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/special/18d.html

They have all the same mandatory SF training as any other SF MOS, plus they must cross-train in one other MOS (like any other member). Its true that SF Medics often operate independently from their A-Team, but they are trained to fight as a US Green Beret. Its the most extensive and time-consuming MOS in the USSF, and also in the highest demand due to these requirements. They operate as independent duty medical professionals. i.e. they are the "doctor" in the field and remote villages, authorized to diagnose conditions, set fractures, and dispense medications. In the civilian world, this will get you $10/hr.

US Navy (or Marines) Independent Duty/Hospital Corpsman:

Be they assigned to hospital ships, reservist installations, recruiter offices, or Marine Corps combat units, the rating of Hospital Corpsman is the most decorated in the United States Navy with 22 Medals of Honor, 174 Navy Crosses, 31 Distinguished Service Medals, 946 Silver Stars, and 1,582 Bronze Stars. [2] There have been 20 naval ships that have been named after hospital corpsmen. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Hospital_Corpsman

In the civilian world, being an ex-IDC will get you $10 an hour as an EMT in a city where McDonalds pays $15 for flipping burgers.

 

[Zebo]

US Army Special Forces MOS 18 Delta:

http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/special/18d.html

They have all the same mandatory SF training as any other SF MOS, plus they must cross-train in one other MOS (like any other member). Its true that SF Medics often operate independently from their A-Team, but they are trained to fight as a US Green Beret. Its the most extensive and time-consuming MOS in the USSF, and also in the highest demand due to these requirements. They operate as independent duty medical professionals. i.e. they are the "doctor" in the field and remote villages, authorized to diagnose conditions, set fractures, and dispense medications. In the civilian world, this will get you $10/hr.

US Navy (or Marines) Independent Duty/Hospital Corpsman:

Be they assigned to hospital ships, reservist installations, recruiter offices, or Marine Corps combat units, the rating of Hospital Corpsman is the most decorated in the United States Navy with 22 Medals of Honor, 174 Navy Crosses, 31 Distinguished Service Medals, 946 Silver Stars, and 1,582 Bronze Stars. [2] There have been 20 naval ships that have been named after hospital corpsmen. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Hospital_Corpsman

In the civilian world, being an ex-IDC will get you $10 an hour as an EMT in a city where McDonalds pays $15 for flipping burgers.

Why would they work for $10 an an EMT when their other skills make them worth so much more? That's like saying the SF armorer can work in a gun shop part time when he gets out. It's just not true. Their leadership, clearance and proven work ethic open them up for many jobs in a out of defense. At least you concede the security aspect such as corporate security secret service and what not. But to act like they are brain dead morons lucky to get $10 an hour is ignorant.

 

[Zebo]

Facts no $10 EMT http://specialoperationsrecruiting.com/resource1.html
SPECIAL FORCES RECRUITING, INC. SEARCHES, LOCATES, AND RECRUITS TRANSITIONING AND DISCHARGED SPECIAL FORCES FOR THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF EMPLOYMENT:

1. Employment with private military corporations worldwide in private military operations relating to military, counter-terrorism or protective security operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries;

2. Employment with private military or security corporations in the conduct of private military or security operations relating to military operations, counter-terrorism or protective security operations within the United States;
3. Employment with private military corporations internationally in private military operations related to nation stabilization and maintaining the security of emerging nations or newly formed governments;
4. Employment with private military corporations in military operations worldwide when a sovereign country employs such corporations to conduct private military protective security or combat operations within its borders, or those of another country, rather than using its own armed forces because of political considerations or due to the lack of sufficient trained or experienced active military forces of the sponsoring government in the target country;
5. Employment with military defense contractors internationally in protective security operations deemed too critical or dangerous for civilian forces to protect and defend, such as the protection and military defense of oil or natural production and oil and gas refinery facilities in Saudi Arabia, Iraq and the United States;
6. Employment with private security organizations internationally in corporate security and private protective security operations.
7. Employment with governmental employers worldwide in law enforcement, counter-terrorism, counter-insurgency, intelligence, counter-intelligence, disaster assistance and recovery, civilian relations or protective security operations;
8. Employment with military units of sovereign countries in military security, military intelligence, military counter-terrorism, civilian relations and military combat operations.
9. Employment with non-governmental agencies to provide private military protective security and defensive combat operations to protect humanitarian relief workers and agency staff in high risk areas; and,
10. Employment by international governmental agencies to provide private military protective security and private military combat forces to protect agency employees, protect local civilian population and to secure and defend a specific geographical area against terrorists or hostile governmental military forces.

RECRUITING OF MILITARY PERSONNEL WHO HAVE NOT SERVED IN SPECIAL FORCES OCCURS WHEN REQUESTED BY AN EMPLOYER FOR A SPECIFIC UNIQUE POSITION

Recruited personnel include commissioned officers, non-commissioned officers and enlisted personnel discharging from active military service or honorably discharged. We Recruit some former military personnel who have not served in the Special Forces if we receive a special request from an employer client. Such personnel include military police, military intelligence specialists, pilots, aircraft crews, military engineers, anti-terrorist specialists, equipment maintenance specialists, foreign national who can fluently speak a specific foreign language, and military linguists trained to speak and translate Farsi, Arabic and other languages. All recruiting efforts are discreet and confidential.

RECRUITING SPECIAL FORCES MILITARY PERSONNEL FOR THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYERS

Our database, search, location and recruiting services are available on a confidential contractual basis to the following types of employers:

* Private Military Corporations Headquartered in the United Kingom, United States, or Other Countries Aligned with U.S. Security Interests
* Defense Contractors Headquartered in the U.K., U.S., or Other Countries Aligned with U.S. Security Interests
* Security Organizations Headquartered in the U.K., U.S., or Other Countries Aligned with U.S. Security Interests
* Public Corporations Headquartered in the U.K., U.S., or Other Countries Aligned with U.S. Security Interests
* Private Corporations Headquartered in the U.K., U.S., or Other Countries Aligned with U.S. Security Interests
* Governments Not Presenting a Threat To U.S. National Security Interests
* Cities, Municipalities, and Provinces Located in the U.K. or Other Countries Aligned with U.S. Security Interests
* International Non-Governmental Organizations
* International Governmental Organizations
* U.S. Disaster Relief Organizations
* International Disaster Relief Organizations
* International Humanitarian Aid Organizations
* U.S. Cities, Municipalities, Counties and States
* U.S. Department of Defense
* Pentagon
* U.S. Department of State
* U.S. Department of Homeland Security
* Other U.S. Government Agencies
* U.S. Executive Branch
* U.S. Congress
* Central Intelligence Agency
* U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies
* Law Enforcement Agencies of Other Countries
* Counter-Terrorism Organizations
* Federal Bureau of Investigation
* National Security Agency
* Other Intelligence Agencies

 

[tcsenter]

You're not talking about civilian jobs, but mercenary-esque and para-military jobs in clusterfuck or unstable foreign countries, often only under the auspices of or in conjunction with the US military. IOW, BlackWater type private contractors operating in countries with no established mature civilian authority. The standards for professional conduct and accountability are even worse, almost so as to be non-existent. e.g. extraordinary renditions by the CIA probably utilizes many of these "civilian" contractors

 

[0roo0roo]

He was not resiting. Don't believe that shit for a second. He was not some hard hittin 260 lb thug, Dude was like 145 lbs soakin wet and woman could have controlled him but this boy shit his pants and panicked. Everyone knows this.

grant had a record of doing exactly what the cops were afraid of.
so more subtle movements could be lost on such video, in any case it was a bad situation, and grant was shady to begin with. the folks screaming and rioting were just looking for an excuse. the situation is just not a good one to campaign over.

 

[CZroe]

This thread has be wanting to reach through my screen and choke JohnOfSheffield and QueBert for being bigger blind retards than I could ever have imagined. It's almost not even worth arguing except that they are being so vocal and think that they are making good points despite everything they say being tainted with assumptions and the wrong conclusions as the basis or their arguments.

 

[CZroe]

White people act up in the subway also. Here in NY, ride ANY subway train out of lower/Midtown Manhattan and you'll see what I mean. Take your thug bullshit somewhere else.

But...but...when is the last time you've heard of one of these White guys shot? In the back? ... With multiple officers around?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3wWVQZaq0

 

[Eli]

I don't care what any of you say, this is a crock of shit. It doesn't matter if it was an accident.

Our justice system is fucked. Why not make an example out of this douchebag and give him the maximum sentence?

Like others have said, if it was the other way around, the black dude would be facing life.

Where are all the gun advocates? I thought it was common knowledge that you do not pull the trigger unless you intend to kill.

"Oops, I thought it was my taser!" is the lamest, most bullshit excuse I've ever heard for killing a human being - it doesn't matter if it was truly an accident or not. They should have charged him with criminally negligent homicide or something.

Two years, when as pointed out, Vick got four, is a huge injustice no matter how you spin it.

 

[CZroe]

I don't care what any of you say, this is a crock of shit. It doesn't matter if it was an accident.

You seriously don't think that intention matters? I sure hope you never accidentally hit someone in your car.

Our justice system is fucked. Why not make an example out of this douchebag and give him the maximum sentence?

"You better not have accidents!" [see example] I think you need to look up the definition of "accident."

Like others have said, if it was the other way around, the black dude would be facing life.

And it's true because you said it! *rolls eyes*

Where are all the gun advocates? I thought it was common knowledge that you do not pull the trigger unless you intend to kill.

Guns aren't the only things with triggers. Just what are you expecting them to say, anyway?

"Oops, I thought it was my taser!" is the lamest, most bullshit excuse I've ever heard for killing a human being - it doesn't matter if it was truly an accident or not. They should have charged him with criminally negligent homicide or something.

They charged him and CONVICTED him of EXACTLY what you charge and convict someone with who accidentally kills someone with a firearm. What more do you want? 10 years for the little 5yo who accidentally kills his brother with the gun he found under his uncle's bed while visiting? The laws are appropriate.

Two years, when as pointed out, Vick got four, is a huge injustice no matter how you spin it.

Vick's offense was no accident. You, like all the others, are only saying this because it was a cop, which is a double-standard when you are complaining that they get different treatment for being a cop and yet you are guilty of doing the same thing.

This 92yo lady got a $20 fine for hitting and killing a motorcyclist:

Woman, 92, given $20 ticket in wreck that killed newlywed
By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune
June 16, 2010

A $20 traffic ticket has been issued to a 92-year-old woman who drove across the center line in northeastern North Dakota and hit two of four motorcycles heading the other way, killing a newlywed riding with her husband, authorities said.

"It was the charge that was fitting," said State Highway Patrol Capt. Kyle Ternes of the May 19 crash that also injured the woman's husband and required another motorcyclist to have a foot amputated. "We took our time ... and did a thorough investigation."

The ticket, for driving over the center line on May 19 near Fort Totten, was hand-delivered Monday by the Highway Patrol to Faith Mitzel, of Oberon, N.D., Ternes said.

The captain said there was no evidence that Mitzel was speeding or under the influence of drugs or alcohol. So, "absent negligence ... there was nothing of that nature that would make it appropriate for charges that are more serious," he said, adding that the Benson County attorney's office was involved and agreed with the decision.

Mitzel, who was unhurt, was returning home by herself after a visit to Spirit Lake Casino in Devils Lake, the Highway Patrol said.

Killed in the crash was Sheri Leidholt, 30, of Devils Lake, N.D. The driver of her motorcycle and her husband, James Leidholt, 37, was hospitalized and has since been discharged. They were married four days before the crash.

The other motorcyclist, Jason Hunter, 33, of Devils Lake, is now recovering at St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester, Minn. According to his CaringBridge web page, Hunter has had 10 surgeries, including having a foot amputated.

"The 'phantom pain' is really freaky and annoying as all hell," he wrote on the web page over the weekend.

Paul Walsh • 612-673-4482

There was "no evidence that" the cop was "under the influence of drugs or alcohol." By Their logic, he should not have been charged with anything, so the argument that the judgment was "soft" are out of line. Where was the outrage against the 92yo woman negligently driving when she shouldn't have been?

 

[Eli]

Officers are held to a much higher standard than the rest of us.

I'm not saying nobody makes mistakes or has accidents. The girlfriend and I were just discussing this last night, because some idiot crossed the street in front of me(no crosswalk), when it was dark, wearing black, and I accelerated towards him to scare him. Like the old woman, I most likely wouldn't have been charged with anything had I hit him.

It's just inexcusable. An officer should be extremely aware of his surroundings, much less what he's holding. So he whipped his "taser" out and fired without even looking at it, feeling its weight? I don't buy that for a second.

IF its true, fine. The guy made a mistake. People make mistakes all the time, and are pounded into the ground for them. In my opinion, making an example out of this guy and giving him 14 years would have been worth it simply because you now have tens of thousands of people looking at this going, "WTF?". They don't trust the police, they don't trust the justice system. That's an injustice in and of itself.

 

[CZroe]

Officers are held to a much higher standard than the rest of us.

I'm not saying nobody makes mistakes or has accidents. The girlfriend and I were just discussing this last night, because some idiot crossed the street in front of me(no crosswalk), when it was dark, wearing black, and I accelerated towards him to scare him. Like the old woman, I most likely wouldn't have been charged with anything had I hit him.

It's just inexcusable. An officer should be extremely aware of his surroundings, much less what he's holding. So he whipped his "taser" out and fired without even looking at it, feeling its weight? I don't buy that for a second.

IF its true, fine. The guy made a mistake. People make mistakes all the time, and are pounded into the ground for them. In my opinion, making an example out of this guy and giving him 14 years would have been worth it simply because you now have tens of thousands of people looking at this going, "WTF?". They don't trust the police, they don't trust the justice system. That's an injustice in and of itself.

OK, so you and the woman would not get 2 years? Sounds like the police are held to a higher standard. You seem to be having trouble making your point without making mine.

 

[Eli]

OK, so you and the woman would not get 2 years? Sounds like the police are held to a higher standard. You seem to be having trouble making your point without making mine.

I completely understand your point.

I guess my point is that giving this man the maximum sentence would be like killing one man to save a thousand. "The greater good."?

FWIW, I wouldn't be saying this if it were a civilian. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if this were a regular person. So, circumstances obviously do matter. This was an officer of the law. We trust them with our lives. He accidentally took someones life. That's almost worse...

He needs to be punished maximally both to set an example to his peers, and to appease the citizens that he was supposed to protect and serve.

It's not like 14 years is life ending or anything. It is insignificant compared to all the pain, suffering, drama and distrust the 2 year sentence is causing.

 

[QueBert]

This thread has be wanting to reach through my screen and choke JohnOfSheffield and QueBert for being bigger blind retards than I could ever have imagined. It's almost not even worth arguing except that they are being so vocal and think that they are making good points despite everything they say being tainted with assumptions and the wrong conclusions as the basis or their arguments.

QFT, I mean a cop did shoot an unarmed man who was on the ground in his back. This is a open and shut case, I don't care if it was an "accident" or not, nothing's going to bring the guy back.

 

[SSSnail]

I present the best argument ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0.

 

[CZroe]

QFT, I mean a cop did shoot an unarmed man who was on the ground in his back. This is a open and shut case, I don't care if it was an "accident" or not, nothing's going to bring the guy back.

You see what I mean? "It was an open and shut case" of negligent homicide and he got the sentence that kind of case deserves. You seem to think that "open and shut" makes your point that he didn't get what he deserved, which is "the wrong conclusion."