Hell is freezing over! A cop is actually doing time for a screwup!

[SSSnail]

You see what I mean? "It was an open and shut case" of negligent homicide and he got the sentence that kind of case deserves. You seem to think that "open and shut" makes your point that he didn't get what he deserved, which is "the wrong conclusion."

At some point in life, we all going to have to realize that a lot of people are stupid. They have a set view on certain things in the world, refuse to open up their closed mind and see things how they choose to see it. When that point come, you'd just let it go, and say to yourself "I'm wasting my time with stupid people", and move on.

 

[QueBert]

You see what I mean? "It was an open and shut case" of negligent homicide and he got the sentence that kind of case deserves. You seem to think that "open and shut" makes your point that he didn't get what he deserved, which is "the wrong conclusion."

If they didn't think he did anything wrong he wouldn't have gotten jail time. The sentence didn't fit the crime, but when you're a police officer you don't live by the normal rules everyone else does. He didn't get what he deserved, but considering 95/100 cops would have walked in a similar situation. I guess a minimum sentence is better than none at all.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Just seeing that video was just wow.. I dont blame Oakland for going crazy over that..

 

[OBLAMA2009]

just think how this would have turned out if it hadnt been taped. we would have heard the usual police bs--that the victim tried to assault the cops, that he tried to take the cops gun, that he resisted arrest, that he fondled the female cops, how the cops were heroes etc... and there would be 20 cops all corroborating that story

 

[Ichinisan]

just think how this would have turned out if it hadnt been taped. we would have heard the usual police bs--that the victim tried to assault the cops, that he tried to take the cops gun, that he resisted arrest, that he fondled the female cops, how the cops were heroes etc... and there would be 20 cops all corroborating that story

So you believe that:
-Cops never have gun accidents.
-Alll "accidents" are staged, even ones that ruin the cop's life.
-Cops derive some kind of satisfaction by killing people and making it look like an accident.
-Cops are all evil villains from Saturday morning cartoons.
-Cops don't need motive (they do it because they're evil).
-Cops are born evil so they aren't human beings like you and me.
-They commit evil acts even when it puts their own lives in extreme danger.
-Usually the cop's life isn't disrupted at all by these incidents...so they are comfortable doing it for fun and profit.

 

[HeavyD]

Just seeing that video was just wow.. I dont blame Oakland for going crazy over that..

Doesn't look like an accident at all.

It's all about perspective and different people perceive different things from the same video. No amount of intellectualizing, rationalizing or demonizing will change that. The only person who knows if it was an accident or intentional is the shooter.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

So you believe that:
-Cops never have gun accidents.
-Alll "accidents" are staged, even ones that ruin the cop's life.
-Cops derive some kind of satisfaction by killing people and making it look like an accident.
-Cops are all evil villains from Saturday morning cartoons.
-Cops don't need motive (they do it because they're evil).
-Cops are born evil so they aren't human beings like you and me.
-They commit evil acts even when it puts their own lives in extreme danger.
-Usually the cop's life isn't disrupted at all by these incidents...so they are comfortable doing it for fun and profit.

no i think SOME cops do violent things for the heck of it, not to "ruin their own lives", thinking they think they can get away with it but in this particular case the consequence was great enough that he didnt (totally).it didnt look like he accidentally shot him to me, although actually killing him may have been

 

[CZroe]

If they didn't think he did anything wrong he wouldn't have gotten jail time. The sentence didn't fit the crime, but when you're a police officer you don't live by the normal rules everyone else does. He didn't get what he deserved, but considering 95/100 cops would have walked in a similar situation. I guess a minimum sentence is better than none at all.

Says you because you are retardedly hung up on believing that he did it on purpose despite witness, a camera, and it being almost suicidal. It DID fit the crime. Saying otherwise only proves your idiocy and your complete refusal to recognize the actual crime.

I might just follow SSSnail's advice for dealing with you.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Doesn't look like an accident at all.

It's all about perspective and different people perceive different things from the same video. No amount of intellectualizing, rationalizing or demonizing will change that. The only person who knows if it was an accident or intentional is the shooter.

It wasnt a panic moment either. He was already on the ground. He slowly pulled the gun out and fired. even before that the guy had his hands up the entire time.

 

[CZroe]

Doesn't look like an accident at all.

It's all about perspective and different people perceive different things from the same video. No amount of intellectualizing, rationalizing or demonizing will change that. The only person who knows if it was an accident or intentional is the shooter.

Umm, except that he announced that he was going to taze the guy before he shot him. It's an obvious accident. Who would shoot to kill in front of a camera and witnesses with no motive if they weren't suicidal? No one sane. To imagine that it's even possibly intentional is a fantasy by authority-hating idiots.

 

[HeavyD]

Umm, except that he announced that he was going to taze the guy before he shot him. It's an obvious accident. Who would shoot to kill in front of a camera and witnesses with no motive if they weren't suicidal? No one sane. To imagine that it's even possibly intentional is a fantasy by authority-hating idiots.

That's your perspective some agree and some don't.

 

[CZroe]

That's your perspective some agree and some don't.

Because they, like you, refuse to even acknowledge those NECESSARY questions for the other "perspective" to even be possible... much less answer them in a way that allows you to continue with the opposite perspective.

If you form an opinion without considering such obvious questions, it isn't just "perspective," it's IGNORANCE.

 

[HeavyD]

Because they, like you, refuse to even acknowledge those NECESSARY questions for the other "perspective" to even be possible... much less answer them in a way that allows you to continue with the opposite perspective.

If you form an opinion without considering such obvious questions, it isn't just "perspective," it's IGNORANCE.

You make a good point, not considering all options is ignorance but most people don't do that when they become emotional.

You seem to think you know what my opinion is on this matter even though I have never given it.

 

[zoiks]

Yeh, I recall this story, glad he is getting time.

Quick, tell that to Iran, Venezuela and North Korea:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2117896

Or the US since we're on a power trip all the time.

 

[tcsenter]

Says you because you are retardedly hung up on believing that he did it on purpose despite witness, a camera, and it being almost suicidal. It DID fit the crime. Saying otherwise only proves your idiocy and your complete refusal to recognize the actual crime.

Correction: multiple civilian eye witnesses with no ties to law enforcement who, within hours of the shooting, were telling reporters that Mersehle's facial expression, body language, and the words he uttered immediately after the shot indicated to them that he was surprised or shocked by what happened. i.e. witnesses were telling reporters mere hours after the incident that it appeared to them to have been some type of accident.

NOBODY who witnessed the entire incident was claiming otherwise except for Grant's career criminal friends who - as criminals - obviously hate cops. As the judge wrote, the evidence in support of this being an unintentional shooting is positively overwhelming. It could only be denied by those with mental problems or biases against cops.

 

[Nik]

You got to be fucking kidding me. You really think he intentionally shot the guy in the back?

It doesn't matter whether it was intentional or not. Police officers are trained and have protocols in place to prevent stuff like this happening.

The officer completely ignored his training and protocol.

I think peace officers should be subjected to more severe punishment for breaking the law since they took an oath and received training. Significantly more severe.

 

[QueBert]

Says you because you are retardedly hung up on believing that he did it on purpose despite witness, a camera, and it being almost suicidal. It DID fit the crime. Saying otherwise only proves your idiocy and your complete refusal to recognize the actual crime.

I'm going to follow SSSnail's advice for dealing with you.

I don't know if he did it on purpose I wasn't there. What I said in my 1st post was a police offer who has training and more training didn't know the difference between his service pistol and a taser, even though the weight difference is about double and the size/feel's nothing alike. A person DIED, and honestly the cop should have gotten time had he actually tased him seeing how in the video Grant is on the ground on his back. You mistake your gun for a taser? Spend some time in jail thinking about the mistake that cost somebodies life.

If I accidently shot dude in the back I'm sure I'd get more than 2 year. A COP's trained for situations like this so there's no excuse. Cops need to be held to a lot higher expectations. That way shit like this won't happen again.

 

[holden j caufield]

Umm, except that he announced that he was going to taze the guy before he shot him. It's an obvious accident. Who would shoot to kill in front of a camera and witnesses with no motive if they weren't suicidal? No one sane. To imagine that it's even possibly intentional is a fantasy by authority-hating idiots.

This is a big assumption. I didn't watch except the short clip on the news, looks like he's down with 5 cops around him. Pepper spray would've worked better, no?

 

[Ichinisan]

This is a big assumption.

No. A "big assumption" is assuming he's insane without showing any prior instability. Assuming it was an accident is much less of an assumption than saying he's insane and did it without motive or regard for his own life.

I didn't watch except the short clip on the news, looks like he's down with 5 cops around him. Pepper spray would've worked better, no?

No. You answered your own question ("5 cops around him"). Pepper spray would not be better. There were people all around. If there was even slight wind, bystanders would also feel the sting. It's definitely not the place for pepper spray.

Quite a few people in this thread are going on my "idiot punk" list. You don't like being lumped together with the likes of AndroidVageta and Heller? Too bad. Of course, I expect the "OOOOH SEE IF I CARE" response. Don't bother.

 

[CZroe]

Doesn't look like an accident at all.

It's all about perspective and different people perceive different things from the same video. No amount of intellectualizing, rationalizing or demonizing will change that. The only person who knows if it was an accident or intentional is the shooter.

Umm, except that he announced that he was going to tase the guy before he shot him. It's an obvious accident. Who would shoot to kill in front of a camera and witnesses with no motive if they weren't suicidal? No one sane. To imagine that it's even possibly intentional is a fantasy by authority-hating idiots.

That's your perspective some agree and some don't.

Because they, like you, refuse to even acknowledge those NECESSARY questions for the other "perspective" to even be possible... much less answer them in a way that allows you to continue with the opposite perspective.

If you form an opinion without considering such obvious questions, it isn't just "perspective," it's IGNORANCE.

You make a good point, not considering all options is ignorance but most people don't do that when they become emotional.

You seem to think you know what my opinion is on this matter even though I have never given it.

Read again. I said that you refused to acknowledge the obvious question for that perspective to even be an option with your "That's your perspective some agree and some don't" post. When I say "If you form an opinion without considering such obvious questions, it isn't just "perspective," it's IGNORANCE," I'm referring to ANYONE. Not you specifically and I'm not saying that you formed that opinion.

I don't know if he did it on purpose I wasn't there. What I said in my 1st post was a police offer who has training and more training didn't know the difference between his service pistol and a taser, even though the weight difference is about double and the size/feel's nothing alike. A person DIED, and honestly the cop should have gotten time had he actually tased him seeing how in the video Grant is on the ground on his back. You mistake your gun for a taser? Spend some time in jail thinking about the mistake that cost somebodies life.

If I accidently shot dude in the back I'm sure I'd get more than 2 year. A COP's trained for situations like this so there's no excuse. Cops need to be held to a lot higher expectations. That way shit like this won't happen again.

"honestly the cop should have gotten time had he actually tased him seeing how in the video Grant is on the ground on his back."
The simple fact that they had to get him on the ground in the first place indicates that the situation may have called for a taser. You think he just laid there before they got there and begged them to arrest him on arrival? If he were 100% complicit he would have NEVER been on the ground and you know it.

"I don't know if he did it on purpose I wasn't there."
So use the appropriate level of outrage instead of the one that's only for a situation where you know it was on purpose.

"You mistake your gun for a taser? Spend some time in jail thinking about the mistake that cost somebodies life."
Uhh... he is and for that very reason. Do you just like hearing yourself talk? Considering all the other accidental homicide cases, 2 years is already MORE than nearly anyone else would have gotten, so stop with the whole "harsher sentences for law enforcement" BS.

"A COP's trained for situations like this so there's no excuse."
Isn't that precisely why he got 2 years? *rolls eyes*

Welcome to my "idiot list."

This is a big assumption. I didn't watch except the short clip on the news, looks like he's down with 5 cops around him. Pepper spray would've worked better, no?

Only if you want him to start flailing around and writhing in pain for an hour. One shot from a taser and, statistically, you stop resisting in seconds.