Hell is freezing over! A cop is actually doing time for a screwup!

[JohnOfSheffield]

You're responsible for your weapon, weapons don't kill people, people kill people, or does that only apply sometimes?

I know i'm responsible for every fired bullet, but of course, i'm a war zone, not nearly as dangerous as having a guy down anywhere in the US...

You don't keep it cocked, someone tell everyone that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

And you know this how? Might as well pull the winning lottery numbers out of your ass while you're at it. I'll be waiting.

It doesn't even matter, you've held both kinds, how the FUCK could you not tell a difference between them? Was he blind? It's not like there was a rush either.

jlee, you're a professional, you would know...

SO spill it, you don't know what you are doing when you are out in the field?

No one fires unless you want to fire, don't bullshit ME.

 

[Zebo]

How the fuck can't you tell a difference between gun a tazer? Tazer is 7-14 oz hand guns weight TWICE THAT or more. Compete BS.

Not to mention different feel and balance.

Then should accidents, assuming he's a complete retard, be treated so lightly? Someone died here.

No father for child, no son for mother and father, what could have been, what was all lost to some dipshit, assuming he really was just an idiot. I'll give him benefit of doubt - still 10 years minimum should be paid for killing someone through negligence.

 

[Ichinisan]

where was the overwhelming evidence that he was trying to pull out his stungun?

What part of "innocent until proven guilty" do you not understand? We've discussed the compelling facts that provide reasonable doubt that cold-blooded murder was the intention.

Also, you REALLY DO BELIEVE it was intentional when he was surrounded by dozens of riled-up cop-haters in an area known for violent race riots? Seriously? (why do I have to repeat this?)

If so, you're delusional.

You're responsible for your weapon, weapons don't kill people, people kill people, or does that only apply sometimes?

I know i'm responsible for every fired bullet, but of course, i'm a war zone, not nearly as dangerous as having a guy down anywhere in the US...

You don't keep it cocked, someone tell everyone that.

Yep. Accidentally, intentionlly...people kill people. He deserves punishment. He got it.

It doesn't even matter, you've held both kinds, how the FUCK could you not tell a difference between them? Was he blind? It's not like there was a rush either.

jlee, you're a professional, you would know...

SO spill it, you don't know what you are doing when you are out in the field?

No one fires unless you want to fire, don't bullshit ME.

So it's impossible to make this mistake? This same mistake that he made during training with the taser?

Do you know if he was exhausted or if he had enough sleep? Taking medications? You don't know. All signs say it wasn't intentional, but still deserving of punishment.

How the fuck can't you tell a difference between gun a tazer? Tazer is 7-14 oz hand guns weight TWICE THAT or more. Compete BS.

Not to mention different feel and balance.

Then should accidents, assuming he's a complete retard, be treated so lightly? Someone died here.

He probably trains with his gun regularly (as most police officers do). He probably trained with the taser only once...ever. When he makes a decision to draw and fire, his body unconsciously performed the same action he does thousands of times on the firing range.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

How the fuck can't you tell a difference between gun a tazer? Tazer is 7-14 oz hand guns weight TWICE THAT or more. Compete BS.

Not to mention different feel and balance.

Then should accidents, assuming he's a complete retard, be treated so lightly? Someone died here.

I've never even held a tazer and i don't know what is standard issue for these officers but knowing how well i know the grip that would tell me something, weight, not so much.

Pumped with adrenalin everything up to "i can't lift it" feels about the same but the grip is imprinted in my mind, i know exactly what it feels like.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What part of "innocent until proven guilty" do you not understand?

Also, you REALLY DO BELIEVE it was intentional when he was surrounded by dozens of riled-up cop-haters in an area known for violent race riots? Seriously?

If so, you're delusional.



Yep. Accidentally, intentionlly...people kill people. He deserves punishment. He got it.



So it's impossible to make this mistake? This same mistake that he made during training with the stun gun?

Do you know if he was exhausted or if he had enough sleep? Taking medications? You don't know. All signs say it wasn't intentional, but still deserving of punishment.

Proper punishment for volountary manslaughter is?

YOU are responsible for your own gun and the use thereof. If you can't do that, don't be a cop, if you still do that and kill a man by accident... you are going to jail for a LONG time, longer than others would since you are trained and supposed to be a professional.

 

[Zebo]

But at what point does using excessive force stop being classified as an accident. Did the guy face down really need to be tasered? Sure grabbing the wrong weapon can be called an accident... but the guy was killed needlessly because the cop felt the need to inflict uneccessary pain.

Nothing wrong with a little pain and attitude adjustment, but something really wrong with killing someone. You can't take it back, they won't heal, it's over. So you better make damn sure you need to do it.

 

[Ichinisan]

YOU are responsible for your own gun and the use thereof. If you can't do that, don't be a cop, if you still do that and kill a man by accident... you are going to jail for a LONG time, longer than others would since you are trained and supposed to be a professional.

That's exactly why he's doing time.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's exactly why he's doing time.

Really? So someone not professional and knowledgable wouldn't be doing time?

10-15 years seem reasonable to me, anything less than 10 is a joke.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Nothing wrong with a little pain and attitude adjustment, but something really wrong with killing someone. You can't take it back, they won't heal, it's over. So you better make damn sure you need to do it.

Cops shouldn't be punishing anyone and inflicting pain when not needed IS punishing someone, civilised nations (not the Saudi Arabia that some long for) let the courts handle punishment.

Other than that you are right, for fucks sakes he KILLED HIM, he didn't break his arm during an arrest, he picked up his gun, cocked it and shot him dead while the suspect was on the ground...

 

[Zebo]

Here are some various tazers used by LE
http://shop.fortresstactical.com/TASER-Comparisons-s/159.htm

All less than half a gun weight. Check out dimension/balance too.

If you cant tell twice something in your hand you got issues. It's like a full glass vs. empty. You can tell in a drunk stuper on your night stand let alone on patrol.

 

[Zebo]

Cops shouldn't be punishing anyone and inflicting pain when not needed IS punishing someone, civilised nations (not the Saudi Arabia that some long for) let the courts handle punishment.

Other than that you are right, for fucks sakes he KILLED HIM, he didn't break his arm during an arrest, he picked up his gun, cocked it and shot him dead while the suspect was on the ground...

That's my point 10 yrs minimum. I bet if I walked up to a cop a thought I was pulling out my wallet to show him but accidentally pulled out a light 3lb trigger 1911 I'd be doing life, not 2 years. No justice here.

 

[Ichinisan]

Cops shouldn't be punishing anyone and inflicting pain when not needed IS punishing someone, civilised nations (not the Saudi Arabia that some long for) let the courts handle punishment.

How do you know that the tasing wasn't necessary? All indications say it was.

You honestly believe he's not a human being. He's just some evil cartoon villain. Evil for the sake of being evil. No real-life motivation is necessary.

 

[tcsenter]

Of course. All he did was "accidentally" shoot a Black in the back. It's nothing more than a misdemeanor these days.

A black guy with an extensive criminal history, who was there that day breaking the law yet again, resisting arrest, and voluntarily placed himself in a situation where a cop who was just trying to do his job (you know, protecting you and me from bona fide criminals like the supposed "victim") might make a mistake.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

How do you know that the tasing wasn't necessary? All indicatiins say it was.

You honestly believe he's not a human being. He's just some evil cartoon villain. Evil for the sake of being evil. No real-life motivation is necessary.

No, i know his kind very well, he's like you, he disregards all procedure and acts like a 13 year old until he shits his pants and shoots somone in the back because he's so scared that he has lost all control even though the suspect is laying on the ground with his back turned.

I don't know which is worst, if it was a mistake or intentional, either way he's unfit for society for 10 years.

You don't shoot someone under control in the back, fuck, not even the Pakis do that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's my point 10 yrs minimum. I bet if I walked up to a cop a thought I was pulling out my wallet to show him but accidentally pulled out a light 3lb trigger 1911 I'd be doing life, not 2 years. No justice here.

No sane human being would carry a 1911, a psyche eval would be appropriate.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

A black guy with an extensive criminal history, who was there that day breaking the law yet again, resisting arrest, and voluntarily placed himself in a situation where a cop who was just trying to do his job (you know, protecting you and me from bona fide criminals like the supposed "victim") might make a mistake.

NONE of it matters in the least, he was on the ground, under control and he shot and killed him.

Who the perp was or whatever he had done is entirely irrelevant, he's not guilty of ANYTHING at that point.

 

[Zebo]

A black guy with an extensive criminal history, who was there that day breaking the law yet again, resisting arrest, and voluntarily placed himself in a situation where a cop who was just trying to do his job (you know, protecting you and me from bona fide criminals like the supposed "victim") might make a mistake.

Color irrelevant.

Criminal history was u/k by cops at scene.

Duty is to protect and serve. Which means arrest thugs. Beat the shit out of them/taze them I don't care. Not kill and find shit out to exonerate yourself after the fact.

Not by accident either.

I don't believe in accidents short of having a stroke rolling down the HWY. It's either negligent homicide or homicide. Both need more than 2 years.

 

[tcsenter]

NONE of it matters in the least, he was on the ground, under control and he shot and killed him.

The prosecution doesn't not agree with you. The entire basis of the prosecution's case was that Mehserle intentionally shot Grant BECAUSE HE BECAME ANGRY THAT GRANT WAS RESISTING ARREST.

In fact, the only party in all of this who denied that Grant was resisting arrest was Grant's family (who is going to get millions for the loss of their little criminal).

Who the perp was or whatever he had done is entirely irrelevant, he's not guilty of ANYTHING at that point.

It has every relevance. Any time you send cops, military, or anyone else out with weapons, accidents can happen. The jury agreed this was accidental.

The only person who had any control over the outcome was Grant. He chose to put himself there for his own antisocial and selfish reasons. Mehserle was just trying to do his job - protecting you and me from people like Grant.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Color irrelevant.

Criminal history was u/k by cops at scene.

Duty is to protect and serve. Which means arrest thugs. Beat the shit out of them/taze them I don't care. Not kill and find shit out to exonerate yourself after the fact.

Not by accident either.

I don't believe in accidents short of having a stroke rolling down the HWY. It's either negligent homicide or homicide. Both need more than 2 years.

This is really pissing you off, isn't it?

Good on ya, Zebo.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The prosecution doesn't not agree with you. The entire basis of the prosecution was that Mehserle intentionally shot Grant BECAUSE HE BECAME ANGRY THAT GRANT WAS RESISTING ARREST.

In fact, the only party in all of this who denied that Grant was resisting arrest was Grant's family (who is going to get millions for the loss of their little criminal).

It has every relevance. Any time you send cops, military, or anyone else out with weapons, accidents can happen. The jury agreed this was accidental.

The only person who had any control over the outcome was Grant. He chose to put himself there for his own antisocial and selfish reasons. Mehserle was just trying to do his job - protecting you and me from people like Grant.

One thing, don't involve the military in this, unlike the retarded piece of shit that shot an unarmed man in the back while he was laying down under control soldiers are under orders.

It has NO relevance when you have a man face down on the ground.

He killed him, an unarmed man facing down on the ground.

I don't give a shit how many excuses you come up with for that, that is WRONG.

I can promise you one thing, if one of my men had done something similar he'd be sitting in a cell waiting for a tribunal that would most probably sentence him to life in prison OR worse.

There is no excuse for shooting an unarmed man in the back, none what so ever.

 

[Zebo]

This is really pissing you off, isn't it?

Good on ya, Zebo.

It just adds to the whole theme in USA today govt is above the law, bankers, cops, politicians but regular people are doing life for stealing a Pizza. Yeah.

 

[lxskllr]

It just adds to the whole theme in USA today govt is above the law, bankers, cops, politicians but regular people are doing life for stealing a Pizza. Yeah.

Or fined 1.5 million for copyright infringement. It'll be interesting to see what that guys family gets. Do you think he's worth more than a handful of songs? I bet not....

 

[QueBert]

The prosecution doesn't not agree with you. The entire basis of the prosecution's case was that Mehserle intentionally shot Grant BECAUSE HE BECAME ANGRY THAT GRANT WAS RESISTING ARREST.

In fact, the only party in all of this who denied that Grant was resisting arrest was Grant's family (who is going to get millions for the loss of their little criminal).

It has every relevance. Any time you send cops, military, or anyone else out with weapons, accidents can happen. The jury agreed this was accidental.

The only person who had any control over the outcome was Grant. He chose to put himself there for his own antisocial and selfish reasons. Mehserle was just trying to do his job - protecting you and me from people like Grant.

The cop killed somebody, Grant never did, I'll tell you which one I'm more scare of, the cop. One's a criminal and the other's a killer, it's no contest who I'd rather not cross paths with. And honestly now that the cop killed somebody who wasn't even a threat I'd consider him a criminal. Regardless of it Grant was resisting arrest, the office had no idea who he was. So it wasn't like he had found a suspect the force was on a manhunt for and knew was dangerous. A civilian didn't comply and was killed. The cop is the only one in the wrong here, you can't kill somebody for resiting arrest. That's of course assuming he was resisting, nobody knows for sure. But I sure as fuck wouldn't believe the cops side of the story here. He'll say whatever he has to in order to make sure he spends as little time in jail as he has to.

 

[tcsenter]

One thing, don't involve the military in this, unlike the retarded piece of shit that shot an unarmed man in the back while he was laying down under control soldiers are under orders.

As are police officers, who are sworn and have a DUTY to respond and do their job.

He killed him, an unarmed man facing down on the ground.

By accident, yes he did.

There is no excuse for shooting an unarmed man in the back, none what so ever.

Unless, of course, it was unintentional ACCIDENT. Hell, members of the military skip away without punishment when they INTENTIONALLY fire their weapons and kill the wrong people. Split second judgements, simple negligence, reasonable human error, fog of war = hundreds of thousands of innocent or unintended persons killed in military action and nobody was punished. Why? A-C-C-I-D-E-N-T.