Healthcare

[Forsythe]

"13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care."

When you take the lvl of healthcare white people in the states recieve, and compare it too what black people get, you get this statistic.
This is in the united states.

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

Too bad that most European governments' solution is to eradicate the minorities in Europe, and thus prevent ghettos and such.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
"13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care."

When you take the lvl of healthcare white people in the states recieve, and compare it too what black people get, you get this statistic.
This is in the united states.

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

*sigh*

One thing you can actually grab out of this rambling is the majority of "Black" people in this country are probably on govt assisted health care programs while Whites who make enough arent.

Really makes the case against govt funded healthcare for all.

 

[Train]

I'm beginning to think Forsythe is about 18 or 19, and has never stepped foot in the USA.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Forsythe

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

Too bad that most European governments' solution is to eradicate the minorities in Europe, and thus prevent ghettos and such.

I've stated it before and i'll state it again. You're insane.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Forsythe
"13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care."

When you take the lvl of healthcare white people in the states recieve, and compare it too what black people get, you get this statistic.
This is in the united states.

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

*sigh*

One thing you can actually grab out of this rambling is the majority of "Black" people in this country are probably on govt assisted health care programs while Whites who make enough arent.

Really makes the case against govt funded healthcare for all.

Does that change the fact that they get worse healthcare?

Train: Nice guess, i'm 20, and never been there
We could measure iq's just for the fun of it

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Forsythe

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

Too bad that most European governments' solution is to eradicate the minorities in Europe, and thus prevent ghettos and such.

Come on. I'd be interested to see how you address race issues on another continent for once.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Forsythe
"13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care."

When you take the lvl of healthcare white people in the states recieve, and compare it too what black people get, you get this statistic.
This is in the united states.

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

*sigh*

One thing you can actually grab out of this rambling is the majority of "Black" people in this country are probably on govt assisted health care programs while Whites who make enough arent.

Really makes the case against govt funded healthcare for all.

Does that change the fact that they get worse healthcare?

Not at all but it highlights the reasons why.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

I've stated it before and i'll state it again. You're insane.

Interesting. I think you're the insane one.

 

[Train]

Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Train
Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

Train,

I think he means whites have better access to good medical care and more options when they are sick. They are also treated better by white doctors (There was a study done on this).

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Forsythe

I've stated it before and i'll state it again. You're insane.

Interesting. I think you're the insane one.

Do you have a rule against talking about race issues outside of Europe? It really makes it seem like your concerns are only about bashing Europe when you ignore race and justice problems in other parts of the world. If someone were really interested in race and justice, I doubt they'd limit it to European racial injustice.

(And since you just like repeating questions: no I don't have a rule about talking about race issues only in one location).

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Train
Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

I'd also like to know what the F you are talking about Forsythe, I'm in nursing school and while there is a clear problem with more black women having complications with birth this is usually attributed(at least we learned) to a lack of access to care, lack of knowledge on prenatal care, and a lack of knowledge in general about pregnancy, (the complications arise from lack of proper vitamins, minerals and diet, plus use of street drugs, alcohol, cigarettes etc)

I remember in one of our lectures discussing how white women are more likely to seek prenatal care compared to other minorities(specifically blacks and hispanics) However I dont believe or pretend to believe in this "white health care" and "black health care"

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train
Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

Train,

I think he means whites have better access to good medical care and more options when they are sick. They are also treated better by white doctors (There was a study done on this).

Well then link to the study. And youd also have to define what "treated better" by white doctors means. And if someone is insured, why would they have less options? Medicare has better options than most HMO's, I dont see the argument unfolding here. I could easily dig up statistics that Blacks have more options when it comes to FREE healthcare, so your argument, if founded on anything realistic, is moot anyways.

For emergencies, theres not a hospital in america that wouldnt turn you down for treatment, wether you have insurance or not. (actually I think thats a law)

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train
Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

Train,

I think he means whites have better access to good medical care and more options when they are sick. They are also treated better by white doctors (There was a study done on this).

Well then link to the study. And youd also have to define what "treated better" by white doctors means. And if someone is insured, why would they have less options? Medicare has better options than most HMO's, I dont see the argument unfolding here. I could easily dig up statistics that Blacks have more options when it comes to FREE healthcare, so your argument, if founded on anything realistic, is moot anyways.

For emergencies, theres not a hospital in america that wouldnt turn you down for treatment, wether you have insurance or not. (actually I think thats a law)

For now this is all I can give you. I will look more into it later tonight and try to find the study.

http://www.eraseracismny.org/strategies/healthcare/

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train
Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

Train,

I think he means whites have better access to good medical care and more options when they are sick. They are also treated better by white doctors (There was a study done on this).

Well then link to the study. And youd also have to define what "treated better" by white doctors means. And if someone is insured, why would they have less options? Medicare has better options than most HMO's, I dont see the argument unfolding here. I could easily dig up statistics that Blacks have more options when it comes to FREE healthcare, so your argument, if founded on anything realistic, is moot anyways.

For emergencies, theres not a hospital in america that wouldnt turn you down for treatment, wether you have insurance or not. (actually I think thats a law)

For now this is all I can give you. I will look more into it later tonight and try to find the study.

http://www.eraseracismny.org/strategies/healthcare/

That study only states statistics of conditions between blacks whites and hispanics. (most only vary by 5% or less) And how many have recieved treatment for it.

Convieniently It does not mention the percentages of each race who SOUGHT medical attention. It then goes on to say that the system is inherently racist.

How can the system be called racist on the percentages of each race that show up to be treated? Thats like saying NASCAR is racist because it sells a disproportionate amount of its tickets to whites. Should the health care system do like colleges these days, and go out into the neighborhoods and actively RECRUIT sick blacks and hispanics to meet some quota? Because thats the only way you'll fix the current problem.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train
Please define "white health care" and how blacks are somehow denied access to it. I have several family members who work in major hospitals here in the US and are very interested in knowing what the F you are talking about.

Train,

I think he means whites have better access to good medical care and more options when they are sick. They are also treated better by white doctors (There was a study done on this).

Well then link to the study. And youd also have to define what "treated better" by white doctors means. And if someone is insured, why would they have less options? Medicare has better options than most HMO's, I dont see the argument unfolding here. I could easily dig up statistics that Blacks have more options when it comes to FREE healthcare, so your argument, if founded on anything realistic, is moot anyways.

For emergencies, theres not a hospital in america that wouldnt turn you down for treatment, wether you have insurance or not. (actually I think thats a law)

For now this is all I can give you. I will look more into it later tonight and try to find the study.

http://www.eraseracismny.org/strategies/healthcare/

That study only states statistics of conditions between blacks whites and hispanics. (most only vary by 5% or less) And how many have recieved treatment for it.

Convieniently It does not mention the percentages of each race who SOUGHT medical attention. It then goes on to say that the system is inherently racist.

How can the system be called racist on the percentages of each race that show up to be treated? Thats like saying NASCAR is racist because it sells a disproportionate amount of its tickets to whites. Should the health care system do like colleges these days, and go out into the neighborhoods and actively RECRUIT sick blacks and hispanics to meet some quota? Because thats the only way you'll fix the current problem.

There needs to be programs in place to educated minorities - not necessarily Asians and Indians who have a high level of education already but mainly Black and Hispanic women. Cheaper healthcare would be nice, and easier access to doctors.

But again these are all socialist policies which I'm sure you would disagree with.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
...
There needs to be programs in place to educated minorities - not necessarily Asians and Indians who have a high level of education already but mainly Black and Hispanic women. Cheaper healthcare would be nice, and easier access to doctors.

But again these are all socialist policies which I'm sure you would disagree with.

Education is fine, just dont go singling out races like you just did (Educate blacks, but dont worry about indians or asians) If its racism your fighting, you cant solve it with more racism.

If you want to go on a public awareness mission, why not educate everyone? Maybe your a racist and dont really know it.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat
...
There needs to be programs in place to educated minorities - not necessarily Asians and Indians who have a high level of education already but mainly Black and Hispanic women. Cheaper healthcare would be nice, and easier access to doctors.

But again these are all socialist policies which I'm sure you would disagree with.

Education is fine, just dont go singling out races like you just did (Educate blacks, but dont worry about indians or asians) If its racism your fighting, you cant solve it with more racism.

If you want to go on a public awareness mission, why not educate everyone? Maybe your a racist and dont really know it.

*sigh* I'm not racist. I support India all the time on these boards...

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
*sigh* I'm not racist. I support India all the time on these boards...

So why are you suggesting singling out one race over another? (BTW, thats the very definition of racism)

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat
*sigh* I'm not racist. I support India all the time on these boards...

So why are you suggesting singling out one race over another? (BTW, thats the very definition of racism)

Well Train the way my nursing school looks at it, we should educate everyone, but only those who need it, example, if a woman is pregnant with her second child and she's already had good prenatal care with her first baby, then just remind her do this, this and this.

However if they are uneducated then teach them, thats a huge part of a nurse's and doctor's responsibility, patient teaching. And what it boils down to is lack of access to care and people just NOT going for care even if it's at a free clinic.

You can't force people to get prenatal care, you can encourage it but you cant force....that old saying, you can lead a horse to water...

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
"13,600 black women yearly die in childbirth. Only 3,481 would die if they had access to white health care and fewer than 2,000 if they had Scandinavian health care."

When you take the lvl of healthcare white people in the states recieve, and compare it too what black people get, you get this statistic.
This is in the united states.

2.
And what i said about trying to stop it in europe, is trying to stop what happened to black people in the US, being suppressed living in ghetto's and such, from happening to muslims in Europe.
Which is not a problem of the healthcare. But because people in general are stupid.

Today I took care of 3 blacks in a large inner city ER that stopped taking their medication...

One was a diabetic that quit taking her insulin 3 days ago & went into diabetic ketoacidosis.

Another was a diabetic that took her insulin & didn't bother to eat today & dropped her blood sugar into the 30's...

Another had a gastric bypass for morbid obesity & came in with gastric reflux.

I took care of 601 lb black woman last week who was freaking 18 years old. Her body is wrecked at 18. Her idiot family had to be bringing food to her, suz she sure as hell couldn't walk to the table to eat.

The issue with blacks & health care is that they ignore the advice given them & there's huge compliance issue.

BTW, they all got their health care free.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Forsythe

I've stated it before and i'll state it again. You're insane.

Interesting. I think you're the insane one.

Do you have a rule against talking about race issues outside of Europe? It really makes it seem like your concerns are only about bashing Europe when you ignore race and justice problems in other parts of the world. If someone were really interested in race and justice, I doubt they'd limit it to European racial injustice.

(And since you just like repeating questions: no I don't have a rule about talking about race issues only in one location).

No, of course I don't. However, I consider it more to be minority issues than race issues. I have posted about similar issues in regards to the US, but people like to forget about it to further their extremist thoughts.

However, the European problem is likely to be the most critical one, a powerkeg. Why wouldn't someone talk about it? If we're talking about unilateralism, you'd likely talk about the US and Iraq.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Proletariat
...
There needs to be programs in place to educated minorities - not necessarily Asians and Indians who have a high level of education already but mainly Black and Hispanic women. Cheaper healthcare would be nice, and easier access to doctors.

But again these are all socialist policies which I'm sure you would disagree with.

Education is fine, just dont go singling out races like you just did (Educate blacks, but dont worry about indians or asians) If its racism your fighting, you cant solve it with more racism.

If you want to go on a public awareness mission, why not educate everyone? Maybe your a racist and dont really know it.

*sigh* I'm not racist. I support India all the time on these boards...

 

[maluckey]

Is Forsythe related to Conjur??