Health insurance - A right or a privilege

[s0me0nesmind1]

Let's not pretend you know anything about research. Reading fake news doesn't really count.

This whole topic is frankly superfluous. It's the basic fucking point of a cohesive social group to ensure general welfare of members, and the point of its governing body to act towards that end. Of course we can count on degenerates to try at higher social status by ensuring an underclass beneath them.

Holy crap, your retardation knows no bounds does it?

What the fuck does research for pharmaceuticals and health procedures have to do with fake news? What do you think they just read a book, make some guesses, throw chemicals into a pot and out pops a cure for cancer? There is a reason people specifically will travel here internationally for health related treatment.

I knew you were stupid, but you sure know how to take things to a new level.

 

[agent00f]

Holy crap, your retardation knows no bounds does it?

What the fuck does research for pharmaceuticals and health procedures have to do with fake news? What do you think they just read a book, make some guesses, throw chemicals into a pot and out pops a cure for cancer? There is a reason people specifically will travel here internationally for health related treatment.

I knew you were stupid, but you sure know how to take things to a new level.

LOL @ dumbshit bragging he can't understand the prior post:

Most basic medical (or pretty much any other) research is gov/school funded. The "impression" you get is paid for by the private HC industry.

 

[woolfe9998]

Holy crap, your retardation knows no bounds does it?

What the fuck does research for pharmaceuticals and health procedures have to do with fake news? What do you think they just read a book, make some guesses, throw chemicals into a pot and out pops a cure for cancer? There is a reason people specifically will travel here internationally for health related treatment.

I knew you were stupid, but you sure know how to take things to a new level.

People who travel here for healthcare are almost by definition wealthy. They don't have insurance here and our fee for service rates are through the roof. No one not wealthy could afford it.

I don't doubt our healthcare is better than anywhere else in the world...if you're rich.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

People who travel here for healthcare are almost by definition wealthy. They don't have insurance here and our fee for service rates are through the roof. No one not wealthy could afford it.

I don't doubt our healthcare is better than anywhere else in the world...if you're rich.

I would definitely never argue that, nor was I trying to.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

LOL @ dumbshit bragging he can't understand the prior post:

LOL @ an industry that you clearly have no idea what they have to do in order to bring a new drug (or procedure) to market.

You think it's all just fun studies paid for by the almighty government.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. It's useless talking to a complete fool who thinks everything is magically paid for by the government with no facts to back anything up.

 

[brycejones]

You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. You can't compare apples to oranges and say that because a = b, then b must equal c.

How much of that is based on access to healthcare, and how much of that is diet related? We probably have a fast food restaurant within walking distance for everyone, does the same hold true in other countries? The same goes for soda, candy, etc... and I'm not declaring those as the culprit - I'm just saying that access to shit food could very well be a factor.

Evidence or its FUD. The UK has been complaining of an obesity crisis for awhile now but by the measure I posted they are doing better than we are.

 

[brycejones]

LOL @ an industry that you clearly have no idea what they have to do in order to bring a new drug (or procedure) to market.

You think it's all just fun studies paid for by the almighty government.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. It's useless talking to a complete fool who thinks everything is magically paid for by the government with no facts to back anything up.

Frankly you're as informative as he is. Making assertions with no evidence to support them.

 

[agent00f]

LOL @ an industry that you clearly have no idea what they have to do in order to bring a new drug (or procedure) to market.

You think it's all just fun studies paid for by the almighty government.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. It's useless talking to a complete fool who thinks everything is magically paid for by the government with no facts to back anything up.

Eg. typical course of major breakthroughs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#History, people capable of basic reading can discern the source of studies here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_research

The issue here is you're just as aware as everyone else that you have zero knowledge of anything technically complex, but we have to go through these motions to demonstrate the well known dishonesty of degenerates.

Frankly you're as informative as he is. Making assertions with no evidence to support them.

Not smart to admit you can't even google for how research is done should that be necessary.

 

[highland145]

30 euros.../month

Plus what in tax costs from your gross pay?

i'm from Slovenia....

Spain is looking good.

 

[theeedude]

Since Reagan signed EMTALA, health care is a right. The only question is how extensive and who pays for it.

 

[highland145]

Since Reagan signed EMTALA, health care is a right. The only question is how extensive and who pays for it.

But I've only been fucked since ACA.


Are you still self employed doing software?

 

[Jaskalas]

The "impression" I get is that socialized medicine in other countries is mediocre and that specialized care/research/advancements are not the norm. IDK if that's true or not so I'm curious.

Take our current system, apply medicare subsidy to everyone. It's still multi payer, still for profit, but consumer costs are heavily reduced. I know a person with 3x heart surgeries, more than half a million dollars last year... only had to pay $1,200. Quite a deal. Where as I'd pay more than that to get 3 moles removed.

Our system desperately needs to pool and soak costs on the highest level, or people simply remain without healthcare.

 

[PlanetJosh]

I'd say it's a right. Not sure how that effects how much the government must pay for individuals' doctor bills.

 

[Ajay]

IMHO, healthcare is a privilege. In advanced civilization, that privilege should be promoted to a basic right. Countries with advanced manufacturing systems, financial strength and technological prowess should use such gifts to promote the general welfare. The U.S. is sort of laughing stock in that regard. Just holding onto the improvements made by the ACA is such a chore.

 

[bradly1101]

I'd say health care is a right but not insurance. However, the two have become inextricably linked in the USA to the point that there is little to no practical difference for the vast majority.

The insurance industry is a powerful lobby.

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[imported_tajmahal]

Conservatives don't have a Right to political speech in a public place without being attacked, assaulted and beaten, but lefties think they should be able to force doctors, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to give them free healthcare. Yep, sounds like the newest crop of entitled lefty assholes.

 

[brycejones]

Conservatives don't have a Right to political speech in a public place without being attacked, assaulted and beaten, but lefties think they should be able to force doctors, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to give them free healthcare. Yep, sounds like the newest crop of entitled lefty assholes.

Wear your victim hood with pride!

 

[ivwshane]

Conservatives don't have a Right to political speech in a public place without being attacked, assaulted and beaten, but lefties think they should be able to force doctors, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to give them free healthcare. Yep, sounds like the newest crop of entitled lefty assholes.

Can you show me any prominent Democrat politician who has advocated for free health care?

 

[Amused]

The only problem I have with this, and sorry for not reading the entire thread, is the concept of making the work product of one man, the right of another.

As for inalienable rights, those are the default rights that exist in the absence of any oppression. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, etc. This is why they are called "natural" or "inalienable" rights. They cannot be given, since they already exist as the default. Therefore they can only be taken.

Anyhow, I'm conflicted over this. In my opinion, insurance itself has destroyed healthcare. Doctors used to charge what the market would bear and scale fees based on what patients could afford. The only insurance that existed was catastrophic care or "major medical." And then Kaiser came along and screwed all that up.

The main stumbling block I have is considering something one man does being the "right" of another.

And before you tell me the work of government workers is the right of the citizens... they signed up for expressly that. But nationalizing an entire industry (the end result of making any industry work product a "right") gives me grave concerns.

Also, being a veteran, I can tell you the VA is a nightmare example of government healthcare. Even though it's available to me for free, I use my Tricare for life and pay the copay to go private.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Jaskalas]

The main stumbling block I have is considering something one man does being the "right" of another.

"Medicare for all" simply means we're using taxes to pay people's medical bills. An expansion of an existing system. Now there may be some effort to cut costs and stop abuse of the system ($300 for an $80 boot), but NO WHERE does the concept involve forcing anyone to work for another. That's simply a made up concept to slander the effort of providing healthcare to people.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Conservatives don't have a Right to political speech in a public place without being attacked, assaulted and beaten, but lefties think they should be able to force doctors, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to give them free healthcare. Yep, sounds like the newest crop of entitled lefty assholes.

Try harder.

 

[agent00f]

Conservatives don't have a Right to political speech in a public place without being attacked, assaulted and beaten, but lefties think they should be able to force doctors, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to give them free healthcare. Yep, sounds like the newest crop of entitled lefty assholes.

Seems pretty obvious that the world would be a better place with less of this sort of degeneracy.

 

[ivwshane]

"Medicare for all" simply means we're using taxes to pay people's medical bills. An expansion of an existing system. Now there may be some effort to cut costs and stop abuse of the system ($300 for an $80 boot), but NO WHERE does the concept involve forcing anyone to work for another. That's simply a made up concept to slander the effort of providing healthcare to people.

I think this is odd that this issue has been brought up at least twice. To me that tells me people are really misinformed on the issue and perhaps education on what exactly is universal, single payer health care and how it works, can potentially change and garner support for such a system.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You don't have a right to someone else's labor.

That is called socialism and is what the Soviet Union specialized in. Too many people try to paint it in a positive light when it really serves to demoralize the most productive members of society. If I bust my ass for what I have I alone am entitled to the fruits of my labor. Why should I work like that so some able bodied couch potato can have a share of what I've produced for myself?

Healthcare is a right.

In a socialist society that might be true but not in a capitalist society it certainly isn't true. From a human rights standpoint sure we all want to see people taken care of, however, in reality many people want something for nothing and are not making positive contributions to the greater good.

I have very little sympathy for an able bodied person who wants to live off public assistance rather than getting a job and working for what they have. Being productive is also a biblical principle and Paul states that if we don't work we don't eat so to see so many professing Christians living off the public coffers makes me want to puke.

The only way to make that a reality would be for all foreign assistance to immediately come to a halt and redirect all of those funds back into our health care system to pay for our medical care. We spend billions of dollars a year in places where the people don't give a rats ass about America and I am not opposed to cutting funding to them. We should also stop our global military expansion which is nothing short of a modern Rome as they sought to rule the known world.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That's gotta change. Capitalism wont take care of people, that much is clear.

In a first world nation, caring for the health of its citizens should be a priority.