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Headlight restore kits

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My line of thought on why some headlight restoration kits work and others do not, is about so many variables in sanding methods and chemicals combinations that most in-experienced or first timers DIY are not aware of,


I suggest it only logical that the in-experienced DIY, has little knowledge of how to see “exactly” what and where oxidization actually looks like on a polished surface, to be able to remove it, ?.
As well as cheap poor quality clear coating products,


Variable in sanding methods,


One Sanding method instructions, which are miss leading to the in-experienced, they instruct to just rub evenly until the surface is uniformly evenly sanded with p600 and spray with a Urethane coating, but, if there is heavier small areas of oxidization then thought, (because oxidization is not visible to the human eye under a p600 scratches), you are just clear coating a crystal clear coating over un-removed oxidization, which does not look right, from a few angles, in different light sources, other angles it looks ok,


Another sanding method is to work through many grads of sand paper, working the whole surface of the lens, hoping that the oxidization is only minimal, then buffing with a liquid that is first abrasive, and a cleaner, with a scratch filler wax, ? That looks ok for different periods,
Please note, clear coating over scratches is as “light and colour confusing and defusing “ as clear coating on top of mild oxidization , they just do not look right,


Most sanding /buffing methods do not concentrate on “finding existing oxidization and removing all oxidation and pitting” before applying any clear coating,


So, I suggest Option 1, remove all oxidization by sanding and buffing, before and without applying any scratch filling cleaning wax or polymer, supplied in any kit, and only use sand paper and water soluble abrasive buffing compounds to polish the lens to first make the oxidization visible,


Following pic, one, is a Subaru,





showing med surface oxidization , I was asked to clear the lenses, in a few minutes, so I just spent 60 secs heavy buffing with a regular buff compound paste, by doing this first and quickly, all oxidization on the surface is made visible, “ if “ the surface is polished first,

All pitting and scratches are quickly located, and accessed for depth, and general area where sanding will be required for removal, even marked with a pen,


Second pic shows a clear, but greasy slightly diffused visual affect in the picture, but closer inspection shows small areas of med and light oxidization pitting, “not visible in the picture”,




Third picture shows Ford Fiesta, this lens looks fairly clear from the front,




Fourth picture shows another angle of same lens, also appearing to be fairly clear,




Fifth picture shows lower section of the lens looking through the lens shows a frosted appearance, this is a combination of slight oxidization and unfinished sanding and no buffing, ,





I suggest these pictures show that the lens must be examined from as many angles as possible; to ensure all oxidization or over sanding is visually located, for removal by more sanding, , then rebuffing, for the best result, “crystal or new clear”,


back soon,
 
These 2 pics show the difference in visual oxidization seen as yellowing, when the angle of light is changed, suggesting a poor quality clear coating, which fades or yellows quickly,






please note the red reflection does not change colour in both pictures, showing I used the same light source for both pictures,







Please also note the passenger side headlight lens is rarely oxidized as badly as the driver’s side, so requires less sanding, driver side can and is usually be more heavily stone pitted,
It is my line of thought that modern headlight lens should be lightly buffed to remove minor oxidization approximately every 18 months from the car being purchased new, this would remove minor oxidization which is the source of increasing the rate of oxidization, meaning slight oxidization to a surface allows more pollutions to collect to accelerate the rate of oxidization, , to where in 6-8 years the average lens are pretty faded, however on the other hand, if they had been buffed every 18 months, they would have been buffed 4-5 times, and still crystal clear, 6-8 years old,
Which raises the question of how many times a lens can actually be buffed?
Here my line of thought is focused on regular ( 18 months ) “ light” buffing to crystal clear lenses, and remove virtually invisible oxidation, most 2mm thick headlight lenses would easily take 20 x 18 month, light buffs, giving a lens a possible life span 30 years, ???.
As opposed to major sanding to remove major oxidization every 6-8 years at a much greater depth of sanding and buffing,
Sorry got to run, back asap,
 
Ok , here we have a 08 Outback, pretty oxidized paint all over, constantly on beach,


Front view shows left and right headlight lens , left hand in picture is drivers side, please note the right hand headlight lens is damaged and will be changed out for good lens, Kanga damage.






Focus is on left headlight lens, preliminary buff to access oxidization and stone impacts / dents shows as follows,
Before,



Before, see the baked on bug guts,





After quick buff, looks clean,



Different angle still looks clean,





Really clean in the main light section,





But the fact is, 50,000miles leaves 50-70 tiny stone impacts, no big impacts, oxidization and general impact zones have left nearly invisible imperfections in the lens surface around the blinker area, all can be felt by lightly scraping with your finger nail,





Different


Iight and angle again show a milkyness,


So, next week I will wet and dry the hole lens surface with p1500, then p2000, concentrating more on the blinker area, as well as the tiny impact dents, / dots, then buff, I will expect a few small patches by searching thens “surface “ will need a little more sanding, then buff again, my focus is to only sand off as little as possible to mirror shine lens’s surface, once it buffs perfect, then buff again with 3M Perfect-it, Foam Polishing Pad Glaze as the final polish,
 
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[FONT=&quot]Got some time to sand and buff left headlight lens today, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This picture shows on left is the foam buffer pad, I am buffing right to left, please note, while buffing I concentrate and watch the reflection or how clear the reflection is of the buffing machine is, and the building behind me, as well as watching the surface of the lens, for stone pitting, and oxidization pitting, [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]This picture shows half buffed lens at which point I usually wipe off any compound residue, and check, and finish the buff, [/FONT]





This picture shows small areas where I sanded with p2000.


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[FONT=&quot]This pic shows good angle, fairly clear,[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]This angle shows suspect frosting.
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[FONT=&quot]Front on view shows right hand headlight is damaged but original for the car, right hand headlight is clean and clear,
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[FONT=&quot]So, Option 1, is sand and buff the lens crystal clear first, before applying any coatings or waxes, [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]More options coming, , [/FONT]
 
Wow. These are all great tips, ino! (Also that's a funny name)

My fiance's Pontiac Sunfire has horrible headlights. I'm not sure if they can be salvaged, or if it is cheaper to find some at a junkyard. I'll take a picture today and post later tonight.
 
Has anyone every tried using the 3M clear bra spray film over their headlights? I know there are peels, but it seems like the spray could be more convenient to use as you don't need to order custom sizes or cut yourself, plus you could control the thickness of the protection layer.
 
I just picked up some Wolfgang Lens Glaze and Plastik Sealant...both seem to work well on my pretty clear plastic....should keep it that way...
 
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dlock13Wow. These are all great tips, ino! (Also that's a funny name)

My fiance's Pontiac Sunfire has horrible headlights. I'm not sure if they can be salvaged, or if it is cheaper to find some at a junkyard. I'll take a picture today and post later tonight.


dlock,
Thanks for the kind words, I know I am a bit hard to follow sometimes, Ha, but I do not see on the forum, the sort of methods I do,

dlock13, I hear you, It is a funny about some names on forums, aye,? ha,

ino,uno,soweno.

When I joined, I was thinking "if” I Know, You know, so We know,"

ino,uno,soweno,

That’s what forums are all about, ?, just like minded people sharing,helping and learning, we all got the same sort of car problems, haha,
So, please inform your Fiancé, she will soon be amazed at how bright her lights will soon be,

And they may look horrible, but looking horrible and worse than horrible, in my experience, I have never buffed a headlight and had to actually throw it away, I not saying there is not a completely stuffed headlight in the world, I am just saying I have not found any or seen one,, I am looking forward to seeing your pictures,
Do you have a buff or drill, orbital sander, ??.

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[FONT=&quot]Has anyone every tried using the 3M clear bra spray film over their headlights? I know there are peels, but it seems like the spray could be more convenient to use as you don't need to order custom sizes or cut yourself, plus you could control the thickness of the protection layer.[/FONT]
Thanks, Sounds interesting, note to self. Check chemical comp=3m clear bra spray, ??>

Hey Kitatech.
I just picked up some Wolfgang Lens Glaze and Plastik Sealant...both seem to work well on my pretty clear plastic....should keep it that way...
Thanks for the up-date, I could not find much technical info in Wolfgang’s site, but I think it is a polymer, please let us know ,
Some new pictures would be great.
 
Sumner Labs Plus 210 Plastic Scratch Remover and 201 Plastic Cleanser and Polish (sealant)

Tried this a couple of months ago and the plastic still looks as clear as ever...
 
Sumner Labs Plus 210 Plastic Scratch Remover and 201 Plastic Cleanser and Polish (sealant)

Tried this a couple of months ago and the plastic still looks as clear as ever...


Found at a thrift for a few bucks.



Care to share which thrift store?
 
Sumner Labs Plus 210 Plastic Scratch Remover and 201 Plastic Cleanser and Polish (sealant)

Tried this a couple of months ago and the plastic still looks as clear as ever...

Found at a thrift for a few bucks.

Care to share which thrift store?

I hit so many, SallyAnn, Goodill, various religious centers, that I couldn't say, sorry...but it was just an odd lucky find, just like the Wolfgang and FW1 products (two other recommended products for headlights) I've found for $5 and under at thrifts...all more costly at retail than I would pay.
 
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I hit so many, SallyAnn, Goodill, various religious centers, that I couldn't say, sorry...but it was just an odd lucky find, just like the Wolfgang and FW1 products (two other recommended products for headlights) I've found for $5 and under at thrifts...all more costly at retail than I would pay.


Thanks. I didnt realize that thrift store sell this items. These are $80 bottles.
 
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