HDCP DRM finally really cracked wide open

[rcpratt]

I guess I don't really understand what this is doing for us. I already make backup copies of all of my blurays using AnyDVD, what's the difference here?

 

[Bateluer]

I guess I don't really understand what this is doing for us. I already make backup copies of all of my blurays using AnyDVD, what's the difference here?

I have to make encodes of the BDs I've purchased. Its too much of a pain in the but to watch them otherwise.

 

[rcpratt]

I have to make encodes of the BDs I've purchased. Its too much of a pain in the but to watch them otherwise.

Sure, I do that too, but I would continue to do it anyways...because I'm still not going to have the router bandwidth to stream full bitrate blurays from my computer to my PS3...right?

 

[irishScott]

Am I the only one on this forum who actually buys the physical discs and has no problem walking 10 feet to pick them out and put them in a drive slot? Besides a few shelves full of movies is something you can show off.

I understand if you don't want to needlessly upgrade this could be of use, but beyond that what's the point?

 

[Cogman]

Am I the only one on this forum who actually buys the physical discs and has no problem walking 10 feet to pick them out and put them in a drive slot? Besides a few shelves full of movies is something you can show off.

I understand if you don't want to needlessly upgrade this could be of use, but beyond that what's the point?

Do you have children? Do you have children that have destroyed 1 of said discs?


How about music? Do you have a song you would like to be able to play not just on your ipod and computer? Maybe you want to play it on a zune device.

 

[Juddog]

Do you have children? Do you have children that have destroyed 1 of said discs?


How about music? Do you have a song you would like to be able to play not just on your ipod and computer? Maybe you want to play it on a zune device.

^^ This. I have lost several movies / discs while moving, I have had others destroyed, and also I don't like carrying around a CD-player so I enjoy ripping CD to MP3 so I can listen on my cellphone and also plug into my car.

 

[JoeBleed]

However, this is where the analogy falls apart: Vehicles need regular maintenance and repairs. Toyota dealerships make a lot of money doing maintenance and repairs both on cars they sell, and on used Toyotas originally sold at other dealerships. Vehicles require work throughout their entire useful life.

In contrast, DVDs, Blu-Rays and digital files do not require maintenance. Media companies would never conceive of selling you cheap replacement copies if you lose or break your original copy; they would make more money selling you a another brand new copy.

Car dealer repair shops make money for that dealer, not toyota.

As for the media companies not selling cheap replacement disks for broken or damaged disks, they really need to consider it as an option. especially the way they are forcing so much crap in their protected products and pushing for it to be that you didn't buy the disk and content, just the right to watch it. By doing this, what they are saying is that despite that you already bought the right to watch the content, you are SOL when the disk breaks and you have to buy more permission to watch the content.

 

[irishScott]

Do you have children? Do you have children that have destroyed 1 of said discs?


How about music? Do you have a song you would like to be able to play not just on your ipod and computer? Maybe you want to play it on a zune device.

No, but if I did I imagine I'd make up some appropriate punishment if necessary and make a lesson out of it.

Music is a different issue. I rip to mp3 and slap it on my Zen because I have no desire to lug around 100 CDs. Aside from moving, I have no reason to move around mass amounts of movies. If I'm doing some extended traveling I'll temporarily rip them to my laptop as ISOs, but that's it.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Am I the only one on this forum who actually buys the physical discs and has no problem walking 10 feet to pick them out and put them in a drive slot? Besides a few shelves full of movies is something you can show off.

I understand if you don't want to needlessly upgrade this could be of use, but beyond that what's the point?

Haha, I still buy and rent physical discs and insert them in the player . Then again I don't watch a lot of movies these days.

I suppose I could buy a HTPC and rip a bunch of movies and music to it so I can play stuff without the discs...but then I'd have to fork out for a HTPC, router for my main PC so I can network them, etc. It's cool but unnecessary and I'd prefer to spend my cash elsewhere.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Car dealer repair shops make money for that dealer, not toyota.

As for the media companies not selling cheap replacement disks for broken or damaged disks, they really need to consider it as an option. especially the way they are forcing so much crap in their protected products and pushing for it to be that you didn't buy the disk and content, just the right to watch it. By doing this, what they are saying is that despite that you already bought the right to watch the content, you are SOL when the disk breaks and you have to buy more permission to watch the content.

Repair Shops order parts from parent companies

 

[KeithTalent]

Am I the only one on this forum who actually buys the physical discs and has no problem walking 10 feet to pick them out and put them in a drive slot? Besides a few shelves full of movies is something you can show off.

I understand if you don't want to needlessly upgrade this could be of use, but beyond that what's the point?

Yep, I'm the same as this. They'll pry the physical discs from my cold, dead hands.

KT

 

[JoeBleed]

Repair Shops order parts from parent companies

But not toyota directly. Parts suppliers. that may supply lots of other businesses.

You might could compare it to player manufactures.

 

[PokerGuy]

Wait, people still take actual round disks and put them in a player? Really? Why on earth would you do that? I have an HTPC in the living room hooked up to a big TV, and a storage server in the basement where I keep all the content. Works just fine, and it takes me all of 10 seconds to pull up just about any movie I want......

 

[irishScott]

Wait, people still take actual round disks and put them in a player? Really? Why on earth would you do that? I have an HTPC in the living room hooked up to a big TV, and a storage server in the basement where I keep all the content. Works just fine, and it takes me all of 10 seconds to pull up just about any movie I want......

Hmmm. Cost of a few cheap shelves for a nice display I can show off vs cost of storing 2+ terabytes of uncompressed movies with no impressive display and hundreds of hours to rip everything, all for the convenience of not having to walk *gasp* about 10 net feet.

Also my movies are meticulously alphabetized so if I want to find something it actually takes me less than 10 seconds to find it on the shelves.

 

[CZroe]

Hmmm. Cost of a few cheap shelves for a nice display I can show off vs cost of storing 2+ terabytes of uncompressed movies with no impressive display and hundreds of hours to rip everything, all for the convenience of not having to walk *gasp* about 10 net feet.

Also my movies are meticulously alphabetized so if I want to find something it actually takes me less than 10 seconds to find it on the shelves.

Most people don't own "anything" so I wouldn't doubt if he's a filthy pirate who streams everything he wants and is satisfied with sub-standard movie watching experiences.

 

[CZroe]

I guess I don't really understand what this is doing for us. I already make backup copies of all of my blurays using AnyDVD, what's the difference here?

I have to make encodes of the BDs I've purchased. Its too much of a pain in the but to watch them otherwise.

Uh, no you don't. Blu-ray discs are already compressed and encoded to MPEG2, AVC, or VC-1. With BD ripping tools, you can remove unneeded streams and maintain the original encode. You cannot do that with "this" (decoded video output accessible thanks to HDCP master key). ALL you can do with this IS make an encode unless you have a PC from the future.

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Sure, I do that too, but I would continue to do it anyways...because I'm still not going to have the router bandwidth to stream full bitrate blurays from my computer to my PS3...right?

While it would take an insane amount of bandwidth to stream the decompressed video, that's not what it's about either. All it really means is that we can now intercept the video and audio stream after it has been decoded and sent to the output devices so it doesn't matter what kind of DRM it has earlier in the process, you can still get a high-quality source. You're still expected to do a lossy encode.

And I know I said it didn't matter what kind of DRM there was earlier in the stream but, well, there's Cinavia (audio watermarks indicating how the video is intended to play). Cinavia survives even analog generational transitions, but it's still a form of DRM copy protection. They are forcing all players to be compliant with it by tying it in with AACS+ licensing requirements (players can't play those discs without the manufacturers agreeing to it). Basically, a cam rip will have an audio watermark that says to only allow the movie to play on theatrical equipment. A BD rip will have a watermark that says to only allow it to playback on protected commercially pressed discs with AACS (remove the AACS encyption and you got a video that will mute itself and display a nag screen on compliant playback devices). A DVD rip may have a watermark that says it cannot be played over a network stream or a video file.

While there probably is a "Theatrical and encrypted pressed commercial disc" flag, I'm pretty sure they are making different watermarks for the home versions. Perhaps someone should sue the content providers implementing it for advertising "lossless" audio if it has been reprocessed with this crap for a home version's watermark? Their website even says that a legitimate camcorder recording may inadvertantly trigger Cinavia protection. For example, if your neighbor cranked up his loud movie because the wedding in your yard was too loud for him, you may have a wedding video that mutes itself and displays a nag screen on compliant players.

Hackers: Get to work on detecting and removing Cinavia from audio streams... STAT!
It's too bad that most of the science for the imperceptible watermarks was private research (not published).