HD58xx already out

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
@ happy medium: some people say that filtering is useless at 19x12, others say it makes all the diff in the world. I know that it makes a big difference to me at 16x10. Of course, my old 3870 was probably fine for the games that I play, anyway...then the 4850 was better of course..<<.ok, ok, I'm a video card upgrade addict, where is my 12 step program???[/ Q]


@bryan
:beer:,:beer:, :beer:, pair of gtx 385's?

A couple of these you'll be fine. I'm such an enabler.:thumbsup:

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: faxon
that's under NDA. normally NDA is lifted a week before launch at the earliest, to a day or 2 before at the latest. publishing when the NDA lifts would tell everyone not under NDA (and thus not privy to pre launch info and benches) when the product was going to launch, which would defeat the purpose of an NDA

Exactly. That's why I find it cute when someone says "I'm under NDA".

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: uclaLabrat

Originally posted by: Janooo
ATI Eyefinity - 12 megapixels anyone?

That's over 12 megapixels at 2560 x 1600 resolution for the ultimate gaming experience.

AMD, launch it already
Interesting enough they don't call it AMD Eyefinity.

How does that work? 2560x1600 is only 4.1 megapixel.

Great and all, but what % of people game with 3 monitors?

Do they all have to be the same? I have 2 1680X1050, and a 1920X1080. Maybe I can mix and match?

Very interesting.

I am sure you can mix them. I use 2 monitors with a different resolution in my office.
The driver knows the size. When you take a window and click on maximize the window fills the monitor. When you do it on the other monitor then it fills the second monitor properly.
Though, I am not sure how the gaming would go on them.

Yeah it doesn't really matter what the monitor is, as long as you can connect it. I've got a CRT and an LCD hooked up my card.

 

[Janooo]

Some speculations from Fuad.
He claims RV870 will be 1.6 times faster than RV770.

Actually, that's like saying something without saying anything. He does not say if it's 5850 or 5870. So pick what you want.

Edit:
He claims a possibility for GT300 to come out at the end of November.
These guys say 'shipping in December at the earliest'.

 

[Janooo]

Anybody interested?

AMD's been cooking up some very cool stuff ... if you were at QuakeCon you might have already seen a sneak peek.

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but here goes ...

On the evening of September 10th in San Francisco , AMD would like to invite fans to join us for the unveiling of a new visual PC experience. Basically, I can't say exactly what you're going to see there, but I can tell you that we?ll be holding a big party with food, drink and tunes, very cool demos of unreleased games, incredible hardware set-ups you have to see to believe and a lot more.

Interested in joining us?? Send me an e-mail at MonicaAMD@gmail.com with the following details:
Name:
Forum name:
Age:
City:
Blog/website (if you have one):

 

[Janooo]

ATI?s Hemlock Due Late in Q4 2009

ATI, graphics business unit of Advanced Micro Devices, plans to release its new flagship dual-chip graphics board sometime in Q4 2009, according to sources with knowledge of the matter. The new board is code-named Hemlock and it will replace the Radeon HD 4870 X2, which has been the top-of-the-range offering from ATI for over a year now.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Janooo
Some speculations from Fuad.
He claims RV870 will be 1.6 times faster than RV770.

Actually, that's like saying something without saying anything. He does not say if it's 5850 or 5870. So pick what you want.

Edit:
He claims a possibility for GT300 to come out at the end of November.
These guys say 'shipping in December at the earliest'.

Arent most people on here hoping that it is twice as fast? Would 1.6 times as fast be a let down?

 

[scooterlibby]

The math is confusing, because 1.6 times the performance cane be interpreted as 160% better or 60% depending on whether you say "as fast" or "faster." I'm a graduate student in econometrics and I still get tripped up by the simple stuff.

 

[dflynchimp]

Originally posted by: scooterlibby
The math is confusing, because 1.6 times the performance cane be interpreted as 160% better or 60% depending on whether you say "as fast" or "faster." I'm a graduate student in econometrics and I still get tripped up by the simple stuff.

yeah it's like the difference between A being 100% as fast as B or A being 0% faster than B.

Seriously if R8XX is 1.6 times faster than R7XX (or 2.6 times as fast) rest assured the hole in my wallet will be well burned. But realistically a 60% improvement or 160% the performance of R700 seems more likely.

 

[Tempered81]

You already have the rumored 3dmark vantage scores to go by (if true). If the rv770 hd48701gb at P10,200 and rv870 hd58701gb at P16,000-P18,000, then it's pretty obvious its closer to 60% than 160%, actually ~80%. Also the rv670 hd3870 scores about P5,300.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2istno4.jpg

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
You already have the rumored 3dmark vantage scores to go by (if true). If the rv770 hd48701gb at P10,200 and rv870 hd58701gb at P16,000-P18,000, then it's pretty obvious its closer to 60% than 160%, actually ~80%. Also the rv670 hd3870 scores about P5,300.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2istno4.jpg

The number will depend on the clock as well. It can move the performance in any direction ~10%.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: Janooo
Anybody interested?

AMD's been cooking up some very cool stuff ... if you were at QuakeCon you might have already seen a sneak peek.

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but here goes ...

On the evening of September 10th in San Francisco , AMD would like to invite fans to join us for the unveiling of a new visual PC experience. Basically, I can't say exactly what you're going to see there, but I can tell you that we?ll be holding a big party with food, drink and tunes, very cool demos of unreleased games, incredible hardware set-ups you have to see to believe and a lot more.

Interested in joining us?? Send me an e-mail at MonicaAMD@gmail.com with the following details:
  Name:
  Forum name:
  Age:
  City:
  Blog/website (if you have one):

An AMD employee with a gmail account? Are they cutting back on expenses that much that they have to use a free email account?

 

[Janooo]

... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

 

[crisium]

If that is true, then maybe the 5850 will be 4870X2 performance (as the 4850 is to 3870X2). Buying 2 4870s in XFire would cost the same. Then the 5870 might equal or even exceed the GTX 295. Here's hoping. I still doubt that ATi can get the same performance leap from 4000-5000 as they did from the 3000-4000, but I hope they do.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Crisium
If that is true, then maybe the 5850 will be 4870X2 performance (as the 4850 is to 3870X2). Buying 2 4870s in XFire would cost the same. Then the 5870 might equal or even exceed the GTX 295. Here's hoping. I still doubt that ATi can get the same performance leap from 4000-5000 as they did from the 3000-4000, but I hope they do.

How would a 5850 be 4870X2 performance, when one of the rumors is 1.6X performance for the 5870?

I would be extremely impressed if the low end card of this gen beats the X2 card from the previous gen.

Hell, I will be impressed if the 5870 competes with the 4870X2.

Last gen, the 9800GX2 beat both the 4870 and the 280 @ launch before driver improvements.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

Some people here were mad when they thought it would be $299. I wonder what the reaction will be for a $379/99 5870?

If that pricing is true, it looks like ATi is going to try and make some money with that "mindshare" they took with 4XXX.

 

[crisium]

Even if it's only equal to the GTX 295 people should be happy because it costs less and is a single GPU card. If it barely beats the GTX 285 on the otherhand... then we got problems.

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

Some people here were mad when they thought it would be $299. I wonder what the reaction will be for a $379/99 5870?

If that pricing is true, it looks like ATi is going to try and make some money with that "mindshare" they took with 4XXX.

Yep, when i said a month ago that ATI will price a 315-350mm2 (on a new process like 40nm) DX11 part at 400$ at launch (highest single GPU offering) some guys didn't like it!

But based on the history of ATI's pricing policy the last 2 years and because AMD need cash, this is the logic thing! (also in Q4 2009 they will be the only company with good DX11 avaliability probably, the logic thing is to capitalise this)

Now BSN says that RV870 chip will be rotated like R600 but bigger in die size?
I don't get this!
R600 was 420mm2 and it was a complete disaster for ATI (i am not talking about perf. sinse this doesn't affect RV870 perf., but die size related problems like power consumption, heat problems and PCB/fan design solutions based on these problems)
I would be very surprised if this is the case (larger than 420mm2)

I am not sure about the BSN report (a safer bet would be a 290-300mm2 part at 300-350$, i mean since ATI said before two years that their strategy for single GPU boards is bellow 300$)

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

Some people here were mad when they thought it would be $299. I wonder what the reaction will be for a $379/99 5870?

If that pricing is true, it looks like ATi is going to try and make some money with that "mindshare" they took with 4XXX.

One wonders if ATI adjusted the pricing because there could be some merit to this.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: MODEL3

But based on the history of ATI's pricing policy the last 2 years and because AMD need cash, this is the logic thing! (also in Q4 2009 they will be the only company with good DX11 avaliability probably, the logic thing is to capitalise this)

This is still up in the air, nobody really knows except nV. Signs are pointing to Q4 availability for GT300 though.

Originally posted by: Janooo

One wonders if ATI adjusted the pricing because there could be some merit to this.

Yes, I'm sure ATi adjusted the pricing due to a Charlie rant. The same Nostradamus who said the 295 was dead.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Spike

Originally posted by: Janooo
Anybody interested?

AMD's been cooking up some very cool stuff ... if you were at QuakeCon you might have already seen a sneak peek.

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but here goes ...

On the evening of September 10th in San Francisco , AMD would like to invite fans to join us for the unveiling of a new visual PC experience. Basically, I can't say exactly what you're going to see there, but I can tell you that we?ll be holding a big party with food, drink and tunes, very cool demos of unreleased games, incredible hardware set-ups you have to see to believe and a lot more.

Interested in joining us?? Send me an e-mail at MonicaAMD@gmail.com with the following details:
  Name:
  Forum name:
  Age:
  City:
  Blog/website (if you have one):

An AMD employee with a gmail account? Are they cutting back on expenses that much that they have to use a free email account?

More like an AMD employee who isn't stupid and doesn't want to clutter up her work email inbox with tons of fanboy emails for the next two years from every tom dick and harry that thinks she winked at them at Quakecon.

If she's smart her name isn't even Monica.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: OCguy
...

Yes, I'm sure ATi adjusted the pricing due to a Charlie rant. The same Nostradamus who said the 295 was dead.

Quote from Charlie:

The most interesting item is D12U or GT300. The U stands for Ultra, the highest end variant. Nvidia is claiming that will be out in Q1, but that forecast is really dependent on what it gets back from the fab later this week or early next. If its hot lots need a respin, this Q1/10 date is suddenly going to seem hopelessly optimistic.

I believe AMD knows what's happening at the fab. They don't need Charlie for that.

It also is quite emblematic of Nvidia's inability to deliver even a G92 class part on 40nm. To bang that drum once again, if Nvidia has huge problems yielding ~100mm^2 and smaller dies on TSMC 40nm, what chance does it have of producing a >500mm^2 part? For the math averse, the answer is less than 1/25th the chance.

How many 40nm NV cards you can buy right now? What is a chance that 40nm GT300 will come out in November (3 months)?

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: MODEL3

But based on the history of ATI's pricing policy the last 2 years and because AMD need cash, this is the logic thing! (also in Q4 2009 they will be the only company with good DX11 avaliability probably, the logic thing is to capitalise this)

This is still up in the air, nobody really knows except nV. Signs are pointing to Q4 availability for GT300 though.

Yep, i think the probabilities for NV to launch in Q4 are not that bad,
but with all the negative press the last few weeks (Q1 2010 launch...) i think that at least i have to take into consideration the possibility for NV not to have good avaliability if it tries a launch in October (or if NV launch in december the 2 previous Q4 months will have no avaliability at all)

That's why i used the word good avaliability (instead of: avaliability) and the word probably...

Originally posted by: MODEL3

also in Q4 2009 they will be the only company with good DX11 avaliability probably

Anyway for me it would be great if NV had good DX11 avaliability in Q4 2009, i think competition is good for the industry and for the consumers!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
@ happy medium: some people say that filtering is useless at 19x12, others say it makes all the diff in the world. I know that it makes a big difference to me at 16x10. Of course, my old 3870 was probably fine for the games that I play, anyway...then the 4850 was better of course..<<<.ok, ok, I'm a video card upgrade addict, where is my 12 step program???[/ Q]


@bryan
:beer:,:beer:, :beer:, pair of gtx 385's?

A couple of these you'll be fine. I'm such an enabler.:thumbsup:

you are a bad bad person.

Of course, I'd need a new mobo to run sli...hmmm, should I go X58...wait, no nvidia boards with qpi so I'd have to...

GET OUT OF MY HEAD HAPPY MEDIUM!!! of course, it would be nice to run civ 4 with 32xAA and 64xAF...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

wow, to price like this they would need 1. a VERY significant performance boost, and 2. the knowledge that nvidia is very far behind in release schedule. It also wouldn't hurt if they were extremely confident in an actual performance advantage this time instead of just the price/performance lead.

I don't see that perfect storm coming together, but if it does rip competition and hello profits for amd.