hd3870 vs 9600gt

[big4x4]

If I can get the 3870 for $10 cheaper and I am on a 19" monitor, what is a better option?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: big4x4
If I can get the 3870 for $10 cheaper and I am on a 19" monitor, what is a better option?

I like cheap!!!

Does the 3870 have the two slot cooler? Regardless, I would still be tempted to take it over the 9600GT (after trying the HD3850 and 8800GT and having more issues driver related with the 8800GT). All in my opinion though.


Good luck!

 

[AzN]

3870 is little more powerful than 9600gt. Especially in raw performance.

 

[big4x4]

The resolution will be no more than 1280 x 1024. How much performance increase should I see over a 7950 gt 512?

 

[AzN]

You get to turn on all the eye candy and add 4x or even 8x AA into the mix. If you are talking about raw frame rates it would double your performance.

 

[IL2SturmovikPilot]

http://www.techpowerup.com/rev...rce_9600_GT_SSC/7.html

I'd get the 9600GT since it performs better than HD 3870 in Crysis,and either card can max out almost every game out now anyways,so if you're not playing Crysis,you can get away with a HD 3870 or even a HD 3850 512MB if its even cheaper than both

 

[AzN]

Don't be too sure. Yes 9600gt is a little faster in crysis but in 8 out of 10 games it's slower.

Depending what settings you play with crysis a 3870 can be faster than 9600gt.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page13.html

IF Crysis was your game a 8800gs is faster than 9600gt too. Actually it's faster than 9600gt in 8 out of 10 games without AA.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...ards-round-up/?page=10

 

[bryanW1995]

for $10 less I'd definitely take a 3870 as long as it's a reference design (ie, dual slot cooler that exhausts air out of the case).

btw, what prices do you have?

 

[IL2SturmovikPilot]

Originally posted by: Azn
Don't be too sure. Yes 9600gt is a little faster in crysis but in 8 out of 10 games it's slower.

Depending what settings you play with crysis a 3870 can be faster than 9600gt.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page13.html

IF Crysis was your game a 8800gs is faster than 9600gt too. Actually it's faster than 9600gt in 8 out of 10 games without AA.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...ards-round-up/?page=10

Alright you win,i accept defeat.

 

[Sylvanas]

3870, performs better than a 9600GT in majority of games- better drivers.

 

[nemesismk2]

I would go with the HD 3870, it's a very good video card and I've always found ATI drivers to be very reliable.

 

[funboy6942]

Dont forget that all the reviewers were duped into thinking the 9600 was some bad ass card, until they found out it was secretly overclocking itself without them even knowing it, and nvidia has yet to say why they pulled such a ass hat move like that. In fact they were growing such huge balls about it they went and had the 9800 do the same damn thing, and overclock without your wanting, doing, or knowledge of it even doing it.

Baaaad nvidia

super bad

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Azn
Don't be too sure. Yes 9600gt is a little faster in crysis but in 8 out of 10 games it's slower.

Depending what settings you play with crysis a 3870 can be faster than 9600gt.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page13.html

IF Crysis was your game a 8800gs is faster than 9600gt too. Actually it's faster than 9600gt in 8 out of 10 games without AA.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...ards-round-up/?page=10

lmao Azn you really dont like the 9600GT and even chose an 8800GS over it which is slower ( Stick your raw performance this and raw performance that) people want to turn AA and AF on and not have the performance die on them.

a 9600GT would be the better choice if you want to turn on quality settings.

Originally posted by: funboy42
Dont forget that all the reviewers were duped into thinking the 9600 was some bad ass card, until they found out it was secretly overclocking itself without them even knowing it, and nvidia has yet to say why they pulled such a ass hat move like that. In fact they were growing such huge balls about it they went and had the 9800 do the same damn thing, and overclock without your wanting, doing, or knowledge of it even doing it.

Baaaad nvidia

super bad

Mine doesnt secretly overclock itself and niether does anyone elses.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
Don't be too sure. Yes 9600gt is a little faster in crysis but in 8 out of 10 games it's slower.

Depending what settings you play with crysis a 3870 can be faster than 9600gt.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page13.html

IF Crysis was your game a 8800gs is faster than 9600gt too. Actually it's faster than 9600gt in 8 out of 10 games without AA.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...ards-round-up/?page=10

lmao Azn you really dont like the 9600GT and even chose an 8800GS over it which is slower ( Stick your raw performance this and raw performance that) people want to turn AA and AF on and not have the performance die on them.

a 9600GT would be the better choice if you want to turn on quality settings.

LMAO back at you Sniper and I wish you knew a little bit more about 3D instead of making blanket statements...

The chart says it all. It's not I chose a 8800gs or 3870 it just that these cards beats 9600gt in raw performance 8 out of 10x. It's not that I don't like 9600gt if anything, AA makes the GeForce 9600 GT look better than it actually is because, as has always been the case in the world of 3D graphics, the reliance on more complex shaders increases over time. It?s quite feasible, then, that the chip with more shader power will extend its performance lead over time.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
Don't be too sure. Yes 9600gt is a little faster in crysis but in 8 out of 10 games it's slower.

Depending what settings you play with crysis a 3870 can be faster than 9600gt.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page13.html

IF Crysis was your game a 8800gs is faster than 9600gt too. Actually it's faster than 9600gt in 8 out of 10 games without AA.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...ards-round-up/?page=10

lmao Azn you really dont like the 9600GT and even chose an 8800GS over it which is slower ( Stick your raw performance this and raw performance that) people want to turn AA and AF on and not have the performance die on them.

a 9600GT would be the better choice if you want to turn on quality settings.

Originally posted by: funboy42
Dont forget that all the reviewers were duped into thinking the 9600 was some bad ass card, until they found out it was secretly overclocking itself without them even knowing it, and nvidia has yet to say why they pulled such a ass hat move like that. In fact they were growing such huge balls about it they went and had the 9800 do the same damn thing, and overclock without your wanting, doing, or knowledge of it even doing it.

Baaaad nvidia

super bad

Mine doesnt secretly overclock itself and niether does anyone elses.

ORLY? So you know this how? You do know that when it does over clock itself it still shows up at normal speed right, or did you not bother to read either of the two links I put up?

 

[SniperDaws]

Yes Really, and no i didnt bother reading your links as its nothing new Funboy and its been argued extensively.

i can tell you now that my card isnt secretly overclocking because if you bothered to find out this FEATURE only works with Nvidia Chipsets and i have an Intel chipset.


And Azn how on earth can the 9600GT make itself look better than it actually is by turning on AA, please explain for me?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: funboy42


ORLY? So you know this how? You do know that when it does over clock itself it still shows up at normal speed right, or did you not bother to read either of the two links I put up?

Not to mention in many of the reviews 9600gt was using updated 174.xx drivers while G92 was using old 169.xx drivers which also made the 9600gt look really good compared to G92.

Just look at the results after G92 used 174.xx drivers.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...e-scaling-test/?page=5

Gained average of 6.43% on a single chip. SLI gained 10.93%

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws



And Azn how on earth can the 9600GT make itself look better than it actually is by turning on AA, please explain for me?

When you turn on AA all your looking at is memory bandwidth limitations. Not the power of the chip.

3870 is different though because it does AA through shader as per dx10.1 specifications.

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws



And Azn how on earth can the 9600GT make itself look better than it actually is by turning on AA, please explain for me?

When you turn on AA all your looking at is memory bandwidth limitations. Not the power of the chip.

3870 is different though because it does AA through shader as per dx10.1 specifications.

Absolute nonsense mate.

 

[idiotekniQues]

the reviews i have seen with the latest cat drivers put the 3870 much closer to the 8800gt on two sites, including toms latest review of the 9800 which includes the 3870 with cat 8.3

i cant figure out everybody's testing methodology cause i want to know the real deal

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SniperDaws



Mine doesnt secretly overclock itself and niether does anyone elses.

ORLY? So you know this how? You do know that when it does over clock itself it still shows up at normal speed right, or did you not bother to read either of the two links I put up?

I confirm what sniperdaws says. My palit 9600gt is 100% unaffected by change in pcie bus.



As for the rest of the thread... cards are pretty close, for $10 cheaper I'd get the 3870... even at = price It'd depend on what games I play. I went with 9600gt cause it was about $40 cheaper for me. Where ya seeing a 3870 for less than a 9600gt?

 

[golem]

OP if you can get the HD3870 for $10 cheaper, it's the better buy.

Funboy42- I think most reviews of 9600GT were on intel chipsets unless they were SLI reviews. So pretty much no one was duped.

 

[PingSpike]

Seems like ATI has stepped it up with their drivers in some respect, and Nvidia's have really gone to shit. With a similar price and that better reference cooler its a easy choice.

 

[error8]

Yes, I would also take the 3870. It just seems a bit more powerful then the GT, even if it is mostly on paper. Also it has directX 10,1 capabilities, whatever this will mean when games made for it will be launched.

 

[v8envy]

$10? That decides it right there. Not sarcasm -- $10 is a pretty big percentage of the total price on a 9600GT or 3870. The cards are otherwise so close you couldn't tell which one is in your machine just by playing games -- you'd have to run a benchmark to tell the difference.

The 3870 also has DX10.1, better high def playback support for future use in an HTPC. The only reason to go with the 9600GT would be if you ran Linux or played a lot of OpenGL games (e.g., City of Heroes).