Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I've got some news for all of y'all... See that hurricane (Felicia) headed to Hawaii? Obama started it with his weather machine with the sole purpose of slamming it into Oahu and destroying the vital records office building in Honolulu thus making birther demands to see his so-called 'birth certificate' moot. His minions have, of course, been working for months to weaken the structural members of the building and installing open gas lines that will be turned on upon the buildings collapse to ensure it's complete distruction.

We must move NOW to stop the hurricane and show Obama and his ilk that we can not be silenced! He can not destroy the truth with his weather machine!!!

OMG, I bet you're right! :Q

You have no idea what I know. I truly moved here from Alaska to live in my idea of paradise... what I've stumbled into is a vast conspiracy that goes back for decades... a conspiracy to elect someone from an illegally annexed sovereign nation. The goal of this conspiracy is to elect someone to the highest level of power in the US government specifically to cause catastrauphic harm to the United States of America. BHO was the perfect person. From grade school he demonstrated an amazing charisma capable of making others bend to his will. It was this that made him the 'golden child' if you will.

Great effort was made to cover up his true origins but the cabal always knew it would come to this. This plan to destroy Oahu is nothing more than a final solution... a last option, scorched earth policy to destroy the United States for their brazen and completely illegal take-over of Hawaii during the Spanish American War.

Barak's work is not done yet. The group is prepared to suffer the hardships necessary to see this through to the end. This effort requires sacrifice but they are ready and willing to suffer the hardships until justice is served. Barak is a good soldier. He will not waiver in his duty to destroy america.

America will know Hawaii's wrath. Muahahaha....

:Q:Q:Q

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: alchemize

Yes, it's true. A new poll shows high numbers of Republicans doubting whether Obama was, in fact, born in the U.S. But a 2007 poll found a third of Democrats convinced that the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, occurred with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. The pervasiveness of such conspiracies about the government's complicity in the deadliest assault on American soil is far more worrying than groundless doubts about the legitimacy of the President's birth certificate.

/thread

IMO this is a total non sequitur and has no bearing whatsoever on the topic at hand. It's blatant misdirection by the Republicans trying to detract attention from the significant lunatic fringe of their own party.

No it's not, it's drawing moral equivalencies. It doesn't excuse the idiotic behavior, it puts it into historical perspective, you know kinda like precedent.

The lunatic fringe of the democrat party accused GWB, his administration, the CIA, NSA, FBI, US Millitary, NYPD, NYFD...did I miss anyone? Of brutally murdering 3,000 US citizens.

The lunatic fringe of the republican party accused Obama of being born in Kenya and therefore can't be president.

To be fair, they really haven't had a chance to warm up yet. The America-hating liberals really didn't get going until after Bush's sensible and very well planned liberation of Iraq and his thoroughly justified detention of farmers, goat herders and other associated terrorist scum.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa

Were the "birthers" right all along?

Nope. It's a forgery based on an old South Australian birth certificate.

And you'd think the forgers would be smart enough to pick a city that was actually part of Kenya back when Obama was born, and not part of the British Protectorate of the Omani Sultanate of Zanzibar. Mombasa was ceded to Kenya three years after Obama was born. Then again I suppose we shouldn't give them too much credit seeing as they are birthers after all. . .

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: dualsmp
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa

Were the "birthers" right all along?

Nope. It's a forgery based on an old South Australian birth certificate.

And you'd think the forgers would be smart enough to pick a city that was actually part of Kenya back when Obama was born, and not part of the British Protectorate of the Omani Sultanate of Zanzibar. Mombasa was ceded to Kenya three years after Obama was born. Then again I suppose we shouldn't give them too much credit seeing as they are birthers after all. . .

LOL... epic!

 

[jonks]

BUMP cuz we don't need another birther thread, but another poll shows this is not a far right minority conspiracy. This is the base of the republican party. Observe:

http://www.newmajority.com/bir...ignorance-is-no-excuse

According to Public Policy Polling (PPP), a North Carolina polling firm, only 24% of self-identified Republican voters in the state believe Barack Obama was born in the United States. 47% do not believe that Obama is American born, and 29% of Republicans aren?t sure.

You following? SEVENTY SIX PERCENT of NC Republicans deny or don't know if Obama is American born. But it gets better.

7% of those who voted for John McCain do not believe Hawaii to be a part of the United States.

facepalm.

Bring it home:

So McCain got almost all of that 31% of the vote that was self-identified Republican. That comes to about 1.275 million of his 2.128 million total (obviously independents and some Democrats comprised the rest of his vote). So charitably subtract those 74,000 North Carolina McCain voters who claim not to know that Hawaii is an American state (charitably, because let?s assume their view is a sign of ignorance, not malice towards Obama). Now McCain?s GOP voting base is down to 1.2 million GOP voters?of which, according to thePPP poll, 76%, or just over 900,000 Republicans in the state, don?t think the president of the United States is legitimate, or aren?t sure about the matter, needing more proof than the two birth announcements that were placed in Hawaiian newspapers at the time of his birth.

Birthers are not the radical wing of the republican party. Moderates are apparently the radical wing, since the majority of the base has reached a consensus on the issue.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Unless they polled everyRepublican in the state, I would not trust the numbers.

Also, they can be plenty of idiots as given by thefact that they do not know their geography.

One should question why the polling is being done - whatis the purpose and will the polling groups actaully release the polling questions.

Pollsters know how to setup the questioning to bias the answers if desired

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Unless they polled everyRepublican in the state, I would not trust the numbers.

Also, they can be plenty of idiots as given by thefact that they do not know their geography.

One should question why the polling is being done - whatis the purpose and will the polling groups actaully release the polling questions.

Pollsters know how to setup the questioning to bias the answers if desired

The poll was linked in the link:
http://www.publicpolicypolling..._Release_NC_811424.pdf

 

[Thump553]

Can you imagine how much these people would have had their panties in a knot if The Manchurian Candidate had been elected President in 2008?

 

[EagleKeeper]

After looking at the verbage, I can envision the question on Hawaii and birth being some what leading.

By asking such a question; it it putting doubt in the peson's mind that challengeswhat they may have learned.

From a person's perspective, they will wonder why one would ask such a question - what isthe purpose?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
After looking at the verbage, I can envision the question on Hawaii and birth being some what leading.

By asking such a question; it it putting doubt in the peson's mind that challengeswhat they may have learned.

From a person's perspective, they will wonder why one would ask such a question - what isthe purpose?

"Do you consider Hawaii to be part of the United States? If yes press 1, if no press 2, if not sure press 3."

Yes - 92%
No - 5%
Not Sure - 3%


CC, you are more forgiving of idiocy than I

 

[L00PY]

I found the crosstabs to be pretty funny.

Percent answering no or not sure for Hawaii being part of the US: Liberal 5%, Moderate 6%, Conservative 12%.
Percent answering no or not sure for Hawaii being part of the US: Democrats 6%, Independents 4%, Republicans 11%.

Apparently being Conservative or a Republican makes you twice as likely to be stupid than if you were Liberal or a Democrat (said half jokingly).

 

[jonks]

WorldNetDaily has cracked the case....using Myspace:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107163

 

[Analogsoul]

Originally posted by: jonks
WorldNetDaily has cracked the case....using Myspace:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107163

Uhoh, I guess the birthers are right, case closed. This is indeed ironclad proof that Obama isn't American. :roll:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
After looking at the verbage, I can envision the question on Hawaii and birth being some what leading.

By asking such a question; it it putting doubt in the peson's mind that challengeswhat they may have learned.

From a person's perspective, they will wonder why one would ask such a question - what isthe purpose?

"Do you consider Hawaii to be part of the United States? If yes press 1, if no press 2, if not sure press 3."

Yes - 92%
No - 5%
Not Sure - 3%


CC, you are more forgiving of idiocy than I

Only when not Modding P&N or OT

 

[piasabird]

O'Bamma is a clone grown in a petri dish.

 

[bob4432]

why doesn't the admin put this to rest by releasing the school records of the pres, the passport info, etc? all of this could go away so quickly and easily, but they choose to spend millions on hiding something or they just love wasting money, either is a valid case w/ this current admin and the previous few.

 

[umbrella39]

:roll:

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: bob4432
why doesn't the admin put this to rest by releasing the school records of the pres, the passport info, etc? all of this could go away so quickly and easily, but they choose to spend millions on hiding something or they just love wasting money, either is a valid case w/ this current admin and the previous few.

Are you questioning the most transparent administration this country has ever seen?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: bob4432
why doesn't the admin put this to rest by releasing the school records of the pres, the passport info, etc? all of this could go away so quickly and easily, but they choose to spend millions on hiding something or they just love wasting money, either is a valid case w/ this current admin and the previous few.

There is nothing that can be released that will satisfy the "birthers".

Anything that can be released could be doctored.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: bob4432
why doesn't the admin put this to rest by releasing the school records of the pres, the passport info, etc? all of this could go away so quickly and easily, but they choose to spend millions on hiding something or they just love wasting money, either is a valid case w/ this current admin and the previous few.

There is nothing that can be released that will satisfy the "birthers".

Anything that can be released could be doctored.

i guess that is just the easy way out for both sides to keep this up then

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: bob4432
why doesn't the admin put this to rest by releasing the school records of the pres, the passport info, etc? all of this could go away so quickly and easily, but they choose to spend millions on hiding something or they just love wasting money, either is a valid case w/ this current admin and the previous few.

Are you questioning the most transparent administration this country has ever seen?

yep

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: bob4432
why doesn't the admin put this to rest by releasing the school records of the pres, the passport info, etc? all of this could go away so quickly and easily, but they choose to spend millions on hiding something or they just love wasting money, either is a valid case w/ this current admin and the previous few.

Here's what I wrote back after the election. Still holds true.

The problem is that wouldn't dispel all the conspiracy theories. You can never appease them, even when you meet their demands with facts.

Conspiracy theorists claimed he wasn't a citizen.
Obama had the copy of birth certificate the campaign obtained released.
Conspiracy theorists said it was PhotoShop and "proved it" with analysis of text halos, lack of creases, lack of a raised seal, etc. . .
Obama had third parties examine it and more images popped up showing clear text, creases, a raised seal, etc. . .
Conspiracy theorists said it was a forgery and had "proof" from their forensic analysts.
Obama had the staffers in the Hawaii Department of Health verify that the document number was that of a legitimate birth certificate.
Conspiracy theorists said wouldn't believe it unless someone from the state made a public and official statement.
Obama had the Health Department Director and the registrar of vital statistics issue a press release stating they personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

What's next? After releasing the original birth certificate, conspiracy theorists will want affidavits from the doctors and nurses. After releasing LSAT scores, conspiracy theorists will want every paper written while in law school. After releasing college transcripts, conspiracy theorists will want every exam taken in college. After releasing SAT scores, conspiracy theorists will want high school transcripts.

Conspiracy theorists claim cover up by the Governor, ignoring that she's Republican and has been anti-Obama. Conspiracy theorists claim special restrictions by the Hawaii government just for Obama's records, ignoring that the laws preventing the general release of everyone's records have been on the books for decades. Conspiracy theorists claim he wasn't born in Hawaii, ignoring the birth certificate and birth announcement in the paper. Conspiracy theorists claim he has a Kenyan birth certificate, ignoring the fact that they weren't required for foreigners back then, and foreigners had to find the right government office, wade through layers of bureaucracy, and pay a fee to get a Kenyan birth certificate issued.

The tinfoil hat brigade believes in a plot by both Republicans and Democrats, by a state governor and state officials, by the US government and the Kenyan government, by today's media and newspapers back in the 60s, and apparently in a white teenager's ability to mastermind a scheme to lay down a paper trail to make her Kenyan born son appear to be a natural born citizen because in the 1961 she thought her half black kid would someday become president, but also in a teenage mastermind that's somehow stupid enough to jump through hoops to pay for a Kenyan birth certificate before rushing back to the US.

Everyone else believes Obama was born in Hawaii.

[edit] On a side note, I'm happy Obama hasn't released his long form birth certificate or done more to dismiss the birthers. Being able to identify the tinfoil hat brigade easily is a very good thing in my book. Plus it keeps them distracted and possibly keeps them from doing any real harm. [/edit]

 

[bob4432]

i guess the indonesian issues are just that - issues. did obama not travel on an indonesian passport or was he not a indonesian citizen? or is that just "birthers" b.s.? i think the birthers want to see the school financial aid info and go along those lines, but those are not being put out. i do feel that when you are dealing w/ the pres of the US, any length could be gone to to make things happen and appear they have happend in the past. it does appear that i have to show more background info on myself to get electric or even a library card though than what is necessary to run for president.

i do feel that the birthers do have a legitimate issue and they can go for that, but i truely wonder what would happen if they indeed find out they were right? would we then be under the rule of biden and pelosi? maybe that is why he picked biden as the vp - for his own security in office.

 

[umbrella39]

Again, :roll:

 

[0marTheZealot]

I really can't believe that anyone believes Obama wasn't born in the USA.

Obama would not have been allowed to run if he wasn't born in the USA. Hundreds of eminently qualified people would have seen to that. You think the Democratic party would allow such an issue to potentially come up? His background has been checked by hundreds of people. You just can't get away with something that blatant.