Havoc in Kiev: Snipers fire on protesters/opposition (NSFW)

[HTFOff]

There is some pretty raw footage here so be cautious. Basically, you can see what I believe is pro-western opposition advancing towards a government position with not much more than wooden and sheet metal shields. Marksmen open up on the group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8

 

[k3n]

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[Doppel]

No idea what happened before this...

I was thinking that the fatalities for this so far are low. I think protests of this nature in the US would get into a shooting war very fast, so I looked up gun ownership rates in Ukraine and they are very low. US has 89 guns per person and the Ukraine has 6.6.

 

[theeedude]

For the giggles, try advancing on the US police with a shield, helmet an stick.
These are also cops who've been ordered to stand outside and get shot, stoned, and set on fire with Molotov cocktails by the protesters for weeks. They have been incredibly patient, but I wouldn't test that patience by advancing towards them with anything.

 

[Genx87]

For the giggles, try advancing on the US police with a shield, helmet an stick.
These are also cops who've been ordered to stand outside and get shot, stoned, and set on fire with Molotov cocktails by the protesters for weeks. They have been incredibly patient, but I wouldn't test that patience by advancing towards them with anything.

Gives us a glimpse into what we are becoming. When an authoritarian regime in Ukraine handles an unruly crowd more gentle than we would in the land of the "free".

Im curious to see if this ignites more protests and uprising or breaks their back.
Been a bad run for the big govt authoritarians over the last few years and especially in the last week.

 

[Gunslinger08]

US has 89 guns per person and the Ukraine has 6.6.

Wat? You mean per hundred people or something? There are not 27 billion guns in the US.

I think it's hard for people who don't live in these revolting countries to understand. From an outsider's perspective, it's easy to say "who cares if you align with the EU or Russia." As a resident, this could be an enormous issue that seems like your life depends on. This is why I have a hard time judging a revolution as just or unjust. For example, a lot of Europeans probably would think Americans were crazy for finally revolting over a tax hike (American Revolution) or confiscation of privately owned guns (common future gunpocalypse concern).

 

[theeedude]

Gives us a glimpse into what we are becoming. When an authoritarian regime in Ukraine handles an unruly crowd more gentle than we would in the land of the "free".

Im curious to see if this ignites more protests and uprising or breaks their back.
Been a bad run for the big govt authoritarians over the last few years and especially in the last week.

This guy, this guy, and this guywould probably be shot in seconds if they pointed a gun or threw stones at a cop like that in America. And rightly so.
I think Yanukovich is a corrupt thug, and it would be better if they got someone else, BTW. But the cure has gotten to the point where it's much worse than the disease.

 

[Doppel]

Wat? You mean per hundred people or something? There are not 27 billion guns in the US.

I think it's hard for people who don't live in these revolting countries to understand. From an outsider's perspective, it's easy to say "who cares if you align with the EU or Russia." As a resident, this could be an enormous issue that seems like your life depends on. This is why I have a hard time judging a revolution as just or unjust. For example, a lot of Europeans probably would think Americans were crazy for finally revolting over a tax hike (American Revolution) or confiscation of privately owned guns (common future gunpocalypse concern).

Yep per 100

I know nothing about this revolution personally but in many revolutions I see hope. I believe in my core a government must be accountable to its people and few things are more right than for in it out when it abdicates that duty.

 

[AViking]

I'm gonna come right out and say it. What the fuck is going on? The pictures look like something straight out of a WWII movie.

 

[Northern Lawn]

Yeah, the Ukraine is a real country not like one of those garbage muslim states, it's scary in a way. First pussy riot and now this. Shit gets real.

Goodness - you managed to go an entire week without incident. Now it will be another week without posting.
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[norseamd]

hopefully this will turn out right for the citizens

 

[Northern Lawn]

It could spread to Russia, Revenge of the Pussy Riot!

 

[PingviN]

I'm gonna come right out and say it. What the fuck is going on? The pictures look like something straight out of a WWII movie.

It's been coming for years now. Ukraine is a clusterfuck of corruption and a broken down democratic system and then violence breeds violence.

 

[davmat787]

This guy, this guy, and this guywould probably be shot in seconds if they pointed a gun or threw stones at a cop like that in America. And rightly so.
I think Yanukovich is a corrupt thug, and it would be better if they got someone else, BTW. But the cure has gotten to the point where it's much worse than the disease.

The first guy you linked to is using a Daisy air rifle.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The first guy you linked to is using a Daisy air rifle.

Didn't your Momma warn you that you may put someone's eye out with a Daisy air rifle or BB gun????

 

[k3n]

I'm gonna come right out and say it. What the fuck is going on? The pictures look like something straight out of a WWII movie.

Ukraine's parliament/congress, rejected joining the European Union. By doing so, Ukraine will most likely (continue to establish) close relations with Russia, & could eventually form its own "Eastern European Union".

Also alot (if not, the most infuential) of EU member nations are in the NATO alliance, so Russia most certainly doesn't want a border nation to eventually join such an organization, considering the fact that United States wanted to plant a "missile shield" in Poland, which would enhance America/NATO's capability in a first strike/pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia. Alaska, rich in oil, really, only represents the main vulnerability of a ground invasion from Russian ground forces.

Also China, though relying on Russia, for its most advanced Arsenal such as "Flanker" jet fighter, is a potential hostile enemy for Russia (see: Treaty of Aigun).

Therefore, Russia could face a 2-front war alongs its borders, of course not now, but more like, 50-100 years from now.

Alot of ethnic Russians live in eastern-Ukraine.

A legitimate reason for the Ukrainians to hate the Russians, despite 2 Soviet leaders (Kruschev & Brezhnev) being born in Ukraine, is that around 2-8 million Ukrainians were killed in an engineered famine during Stalin's reign (holodomor), which Russia has yet to recognize (as a genocide) or apologize for, to the best of my knowledge.

The 2005 orange revolution saw a pro-NATO/EU president (Yushchenko) get elected for Ukraine, but he was eventually voted out and replaced with pro-Russia factions.

 

[norseamd]

The 2005 orange revolution saw a pro-NATO/EU president (Yushchenko) get elected for Ukraine, but he was eventually voted out and replaced with pro-Russia factions.

you realize that the old regime was also corrupt right. the promises of the orange revolution were not fulfilled and yushchenko and tymshenko had a falling out. yushchenko also apparantly has ties to mogulivich.

 

[k3n]

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[theeedude]

The first guy you linked to is using a Daisy air rifle.

And if you pointed it at a cop in the US, you'd be dead.
In case you missed it:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2369933

 

[norseamd]

https://www.google.com/search?q=yus...levich&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&spell=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RosUkrEnergo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Mogilevich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Firtash

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Luzhkov

the last link shows that mogulivich also has ties with russia. he also probably had to make a deal with putin to get out of jail. he is still in russia apparantly

 

[sportage]

This is one fight for democracy I'd like to see the US get involved in.
We were involved, to say the least, with Vietnam and Iraq which both were much different where Vietnam and Iraq and add in there North Korea, were not necessarily within out best interest nor their populations pro American. But this, I'd like to see the US take a stand against Russian brutality.
I would support drones and possible US boots on the ground with this situation.
This one is different.
These people were assumed and absorbed by Russian dictatorship in the area.
And at that time the world turned and looked the other way.
This one we should be involved with.
Besides, Putin needs a little pissing off from the US.

 

[5150Joker]

Alot of these "protesters" are mobs/mercenaries funded by pro-EU/anti-Russia factions. From what I've seen, the cops were attacked first in some cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots

And you're stupid enough to believe the bullshit you just wrote?

This is one fight for democracy I'd like to see the US get involved in.
We were involved, to say the least, with Vietnam and Iraq which both were much different where Vietnam and Iraq and add in there North Korea, were not necessarily within out best interest nor their populations pro American. But this, I'd like to see the US take a stand against Russian brutality.
I would support drones and possible US boots on the ground with this situation.
This one is different.
These people were assumed and absorbed by Russian dictatorship in the area.
And at that time the world turned and looked the other way.
This one we should be involved with.
Besides, Putin needs a little pissing off from the US.

US has no business getting involved in this or any other regional conflicts around the world. Sticking to the NA hemisphere and minding our own business is the best way to serve the US population.

 

[theeedude]

This is one fight for democracy I'd like to see the US get involved in.
We were involved, to say the least, with Vietnam and Iraq which both were much different where Vietnam and Iraq and add in there North Korea, were not necessarily within out best interest nor their populations pro American. But this, I'd like to see the US take a stand against Russian brutality.
I would support drones and possible US boots on the ground with this situation.
This one is different.
These people were assumed and absorbed by Russian dictatorship in the area.
And at that time the world turned and looked the other way.
This one we should be involved with.
Besides, Putin needs a little pissing off from the US.

That would cause WWIII. Not worth it, not even for Ukrainian hotties.

 

[davmat787]

And if you pointed it at a cop in the US, you'd be dead.
In case you missed it:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2369933

I know, which makes his choice of weapons all the more stupid. Of course, they have no problem shooting unarmed protestors so I guess it really doesn't matter.

 

[AViking]

Done a lot more reading on the subject. It's East vs West and corruption at its finest. Damn shame really.

US get involved? They didn't get involved with Georgia so I doubt they would get involved here. Besides to get involved would mean a World War and a complete collapse of pretty much any world order. You think it's bad now? Being stupid enough to think that the US military has any business interfering here would yield a huge loss to the US, Europe, the Ukraine, and only Russia if we chose to invade which would mean us going full retard like Hitler and Napoleon.