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Havoc in Kiev: Snipers fire on protesters/opposition (NSFW)

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davmat787 said:
I know, which makes his choice of weapons all the more stupid. Of course, they have no problem shooting unarmed protestors so I guess it really doesn't matter.
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Yeah, today was crazy, I was previously impressed by the patience of the cops, but it finally ran out and the whole thing exploded. They've been put out in the cold by Yanukovich for three months like a dog on a chain, just taking a ton of abuse from the protesters, having rocks thrown at them, being set on fire, armed with just a shield and a baton, under orders to not respond. There was a lot of pent up rage, and today it came to the surface in a pretty ugly way. It's bad, but it's human, everyone has a limit to their patience. BTW, many cops have quit and deserted at risk of criminal penalty and refused to fire at their own people. I think now, Yanukovich needs to step aside for the good of his country. He won't be able to govern. Not that the opposition will be able to govern either. These three stooges they have have failed to lead at every opportunity, which is why the radicals have taken over the action.
 
sportage said:
This is one fight for democracy I'd like to see the US get involved in. We were involved, to say the least, with Vietnam and Iraq which both were much different where Vietnam and Iraq and add in there North Korea, were not necessarily within out best interest nor their populations pro American. But this, I'd like to see the US take a stand against Russian brutality. I would support drones and possible US boots on the ground with this situation. This one is different. These people were assumed and absorbed by Russian dictatorship in the area. And at that time the world turned and looked the other way. This one we should be involved with. Besides, Putin needs a little pissing off from the US.
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horrible idea. we should stick to external support. to do that would cause russia to come right in to ukraine and this would possibly cause war
 
Genx87 said:
Gives us a glimpse into what we are becoming. When an authoritarian regime in Ukraine handles an unruly crowd more gentle than we would in the land of the "free".

Im curious to see if this ignites more protests and uprising or breaks their back.
Been a bad run for the big govt authoritarians over the last few years and especially in the last week.
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Well he has advocated doctors being locked up for saving patients if they do so and it violates a nonsense bureaucratic regulation, so take what he says in that context.
 
sportage said:
This is one fight for democracy I'd like to see the US get involved in.
We were involved, to say the least, with Vietnam and Iraq which both were much different where Vietnam and Iraq and add in there North Korea, were not necessarily within out best interest nor their populations pro American. But this, I'd like to see the US take a stand against Russian brutality.
I would support drones and possible US boots on the ground with this situation.
This one is different.
These people were assumed and absorbed by Russian dictatorship in the area.
And at that time the world turned and looked the other way.
This one we should be involved with.
Besides, Putin needs a little pissing off from the US.
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Stop drinking the kool-aid. "Democracy" as you know it looks a lot different from an outside perspective. Global imperialism at its finest.
 
sportage said:
This is one fight for democracy I'd like to see the US get involved in.
We were involved, to say the least, with Vietnam and Iraq which both were much different where Vietnam and Iraq and add in there North Korea, were not necessarily within out best interest nor their populations pro American. But this, I'd like to see the US take a stand against Russian brutality.
I would support drones and possible US boots on the ground with this situation.
This one is different.
These people were assumed and absorbed by Russian dictatorship in the area.
And at that time the world turned and looked the other way.
This one we should be involved with.
Besides, Putin needs a little pissing off from the US.
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The left is fucking insane.
 
The real winner is actually Russia. Not Putin and his ego, but the Russian taxpayers whose pension fund is now being raided to give Ukraine loans to buy its temporary allegiance. If EU and US want to bear the burden of Ukraine, Russia should just let them. There are very real problems in Russia that need fixing, and insane sums of money is being wasted on Olympics, Ukraine, to accommodate Putin's Napoleon complex.
 
senseamp said:
The real winner is actually Russia. Not Putin and his ego, but the Russian taxpayers whose pension fund is now being raided to give Ukraine loans to buy its temporary allegiance. If EU and US want to bear the burden of Ukraine, Russia should just let them. There are very real problems in Russia that need fixing, and insane sums of money is being wasted on Olympics, Ukraine, to accommodate Putin's Napoleon complex.
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Putin's plans are to rebuild the Soviet Union, so, yes, he wins.

Pension funds raided? Big deal, Putin has learned from our Dems that debt doesn't matter when you print your own currency. He'll just print more Rubles.

In any case, Russia just purchased some Ukrainian bonds (didn't actually give away the money) and cut them a deal on Russian gas prices.

Fern
 
Kiev falls. Protesters have taken over the city and the President has left. Interesting development.
 
k3n said:
I've read on ZeroHedge, that Russia will do whatever it takes to maintain its prescence on the Crimea peninsula of Ukraine, made up of predominantly ethnic Russians with a Russian military base on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War

I've also forgot to mention, that Ukraine serves as conduit for Russian Pipelines going into Germany (EU).

Also if the Ukraine joined the EU, alot of these young people would ditch the country and go work in 1st world countries, due to EU's right to "work immigration" within any EU member states, or something like that.
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That's why they aren't going to be allowed to join the EU any time soon. So they are going to be left without Russian money and cheap gas, and without EU membership. Another round of high hopes and disappointment coming to the Ukraine. We've seen this movie before. Also, if Ukrainian nationalists take power, which they are starting to do, and decide to target or marginalize Russian speaking regions, the country will fall apart. Then Russia will step in to "defend" the eastern regions like they did in Abkhazia and Ossetia.
 
who cares if they take the eastern regions. but they can stay out of the crimea as that belongs to the crimean tatars.

and kyiv is ukraine
 
norseamd said:
who cares if they take the eastern regions. but they can stay out of the crimea as that belongs to the crimean tatars.

and kyiv is ukraine
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
According to 2001 Ukrainian Census, the population of Crimea was 2,033,700. The ethnic makeup was comprised the following self-reported groups: Russians: 58.32%; Ukrainians: 24.32%; Crimean Tatars: 12.1%; Belarusians: 1.44%; Tatars: 0.54%; Armenians: 0.43%; Jews: 0.22%, Greeks: 0.15% and others.
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