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UNCjigga

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There is a real lot for me to unpack so I am going the simple route.
Just get vaccinated, stop being dramatic.
I typically like your post, I would like it if you stay healthy.
Just. Get. Vaccinated. Stop overthinking this.
Oh and if you can keep up with the constantly evolving scientific data without your brain turning to mush...I'd get the Moderna vaccine. Sure, you might have more short-term side effects (which is why I got Pfizer back in March/April) but that just means its working!

 
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Where do you get ur info from? I get mine from word of mouth, reading webpages, and videos from many different sources off the internet.

As for them being full, as I said, there was NO ONE there when the "news" was saying they were full of sick dying people, for there was no one, just me and my wife with broken bones.

Did you know you can die of the flu of which has the same symptoms? Not say this is the flu, but its pretty much the same symptoms, and people and mostly elderly die from it.

You can get the vax for the flu, but look at the good that does, people have to get that shot all the time, and never stops it from spreading, and if it is the fault of not everyone is getting the shot so it changes, then?

As for taking the shot n all, how is it you know its is safe for sure? Is it because you watched a video with a guy telling you, trust me, Im a scientist, and you must take this, and not worry!?

If a billion people jumped off a bridge because they were told, and you that it would be safe, and you will land on the bottom in Jello, does that mean you will do it, and force other to do it as well, just because you was told to, and that you would be safe, without waiting to see if those who did jump walk away?

And again, I love the people who bitch, how dare you, and we are here sticking up for the little person that cannot, then call out the "little" guy for being dumb shit, and call them names just to feel good about themselves.

Its not even been a year as far as these shot, and have seen actual videos and reads where people who have had a different opinion have had that stuff taken down. Is that really misinformation when you question science, or see videos of people getting sick and all. Should you be just the little worried and want to know why is it a group would do that? I need information from the both sides to see what is going on and find the truth.

You people jumping in to make fun, call me a dumb ass, laugh n all, what makes you soo much better then me? A video says trust the science as if it has NEVER been wrong in the past, or our government has never done anything towards their own people, so if someone else wants to just inform you to think before the jump, you have the right then because my way of asking/thoughts are different then yours, they are dumb fuckers that deserve to die?

Are you the ones I see in the car or outside by yourself wearing a mask/face shield scared as a mofo? If you are scared, they are doing their job just right to determine which of you will just follow them like good little sheep :p

Follow the science?
Masks do nothing
Masks stop you from getting it and giving to others
One mask is not enough, you should wear 3
3 is not effective anymore just wear one, but made of....
Wearing a mask does not stop you from getting it but spreading it to others
Virus was not made in China by Wuhan lab
Virus WAS made at the Wuhan lab
Get the shot with no clinical trial but trust us, and science you need to get it anyway, and you scared? Good, now tell all and force them to get it too for if they do not they will kill you
Got the shot? Good now you cannot get it or spread it
Got the shot? Well you can still get it and spread it, and it can still mutate but force others to get it anyway though it does not work as science has told you before that made you scared to go get it.
People have died taking the shot others (doctors/scientists) say, well we need to shut them the f up, and remove all posts/anything from them in the name of misinformation for they all need to get the sucker no matter what. Damn thinking sheep, they all need to die.
The Flu virus kills more people? Well that straight up is not true, and these symtoms are not like the flu virus, its different and you will die if you do not take it, and force others to take as well.
Ton of people have died more of this then the flu
Kids cannot really get it of spread it
Kids can get it, but only get the shot if they are over 16
Kids can now spread it
Kids over the age of 2 now needs to get it
Kids do not need to wear a mask
Kids need to wear a mask
Kids need to wear a mask at school
Kids need large shields at their desks while wearing a mask
Kids are getting more sick because of the shields keeping them in the "dirty" air and mask gets nasty and full of germs
You can no longer eat out, the science says so
You can no longer go to work, science says so
You can go out to eat, and no longer wear a mask as you do so, but your kids if you have any must go to school all day wearing a mask, and having a shield at their desk, but the science now says you cannot spread it as you eat/shop out
You do not need to wear a mask while you eat out in a crowded place
You now need to wear a mask, and pull it down to put food in, but put it right back up over when you chew
You do not need to wear a mask while outside by yourself
You now need to wear a mask while outside by yourself or in your car
You need to wear a mask while at home by yourself
Yeah, trust the science, and I'm a politician/president/Mayor/Governor/State official and do what I say to do or pay fines/Jail
You saw a video or picture of me at a party/restaurant not wearing a mask or staying far away, or limited group to be around as we told you NOT to do, um, well, your a dumb fuck, you did not see/watch what you thought because, you are a dumb fuck.

As a small side note for those who think that just because there is a shot you can take it is 100%ish safe because science says so..

Metformin for people who have diabetes was supposed to be safe and I am on it, but.....
Metformin ER is being recalled because testing found levels of nitrosamine impurity, called N-Nitrosodimethylamine (NDMA), that are above the intake limit designated safe by the FDA. The agency has been aware of trace impurities since late 2019, but further examination only recently revealed more significant amounts.

Oxy, Oxycodone, hydros are great for pain, and not addictive, but now......
EPIDEMIC!

Gabapentin 100% safe and non habit forming, but......
Being misused more then ever

Trust the science? They have all said in the past, that it is good, and nothing going to happen, and now people have died, or become addicted to it. I asked my doctor that if the metformin is not supposed to be good anymore, why is it I am still taking it and not something else? My answer? On it I will live longer then if I did not.

Doctors used to promote smoking, and would even get paid for endorsing a particular brand.....
Cancer, and science was wrong. There are a TON more out there the science and big pharm has told us its safe, only to find out people died later, and in some case much later, so sticking me something made differently by 3 big pharms, because they and "science" says it is say, with not too great of a track record, I do not think so. Should I die because I did not get a shot, not worried about my other families problems they may get should they get the virus, and I die (I have extremely bad health, could really just kick over getting the flu)

If what I am/have posted, I have asked several times to show me what you know, and where you got your information it for I would LOVE to read it so I can be much more well informed, but instead, I get nothing but trust the science, and I feel bad if they have kids, and you are a dumb fucker, I have hit the ignore button on you for HOW DARE YOU QUESTION IT! You want information on how I know is right, and you are wrong, well, um, its, ahhhhhh, your a dumb fucker. I want to be informed, and I do question the "science" as not being correct when the science has flip flopped and said all I have written above and more, and I ask if you know more then me, and are smarter then me, then instead of calling a retard a Dumb shit when you are supposed to be a nice person, just go get the shot. How is it you know for a 100% fact yourself that it is, and need to push on others? I really would like to know, for I'm not really sure anyone really knows hence why all the flipping by the Fauchi WHO healthcare, how does one know what is for sure right or not. And please come on, your argument in getting the shot with no questions is, people have died, so get it, when people have died getting it as well, can still get it and pass it when told in the beginning if you got it it wouldn't, but now you have it, and cam, and will for the rest of your life have to get it for the "new" strain, and boosters, and since no real tests on its effectiveness (of which is no longer as good as the "science" has said it would be, for now you can still get it and pass it, they say today) have turned you that get it into their white rats to see what will happen to you when you do take it, and should more die later from taking it, then the covid would of anyway, all they can says is "Damn, my bad, still cannot sue us for the mislead and death that happened".

And I am mentally and physically not sound, but yet, your compassion shows in that regard calling a dumb shit/fuck, and in not pulling me aside asking whats up, get to know me perhaps, but rather you are smarter and to prove it give me no information to read on as far as why you are smarter and know for a fact it is safe, other then for me to believe in Science. I wish to read upon ur science please so I can be as smart as you, and not be called names, or become you, better then all, self centered, and then I can go call people dumb shits for I got the shot and smarter then most then with the card to prove it and the right to call others names that do not think like me or the "science" that is ALWAYS CORRECT, never has been wrong in the past :p




I feel a lot of people are not making the smart choice, and question why is it this doctor/scientist has said it causes this if you get the shot, and feels different, vanishes and anything said is lost in time. So please, I want to be as smart as you. I wish to make people feel like shit with disabilities that is not smarter then the norm, but because they are retarded I know for a fact, SCIENCE, I am then smarter and can call them a dumb fuck! Please please please show me something that does not say in it,
We think it does this
We think it has a different variation
We estimate.....
We feel
Not really sure, more tests need to be done, OMG YOU WILL DIE, we think

Science:

  • Both illnesses can cause fever, cough, body aches, and sometimes vomiting and diarrhea (especially in children). Learn more about COVID-19 symptoms.
  • Both can result in pneumonia.
  • Both flu and COVID-19 can be mild or severe, or even fatal in rare cases.
  • Both the flu and COVID-19 spread in similar ways. Droplets or smaller virus particles from a sick person can transmit the virus to other people nearby. The smallest particles may (they are not sure) linger in the air, and another person can inhale them and become infected.
  • Or, people can touch a surface with viruses on it, and then transfer the germs to themselves by touching their face.
  • People infected with the coronavirus or the flu may (they are not sure) not realize they are sick for several days, and during that time can unknowingly spread the disease to others before they even feel sick.
  • Neither the flu nor COVID-19 is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
  • Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may (they are not sure) require hospitalization and very ill patients may (they are not sure) need a ventilator — a machine that helps them breathe.
  • Antiviral medications may (they are not sure) shorten the duration of both illnesses.
  • COVID-19: Antiviral medications and other therapies are being tested (yup, they sure are, on you!) to see if they can effectively address symptoms and shorten the duration of the illness. Currently, effective treatments are only available in an intravenous form, so they are not prescribed to patients outside of a hospital setting. Admitted they are being test, does NOT say tested and effective, but rather, being tested. SCIENCE! If it is said they are being tested, why does it not say that shot you took and being pushed actually works from the tests they have conducted over the many many years? Damn test moneys :O :p
  • Saying that it "MAY" is a way for them to say, "hey, we said it MAY, did not say it would for we were not sure, hence why we said it MAY"

  • Flu: Oral antiviral medications can address symptoms and sometimes shorten the duration of the illness. Because they are given by mouth, these antiviral therapies can be prescribed for patients who are not hospitalized as well as for those in the hospital.

    COVID-19: Caused by the 2019 coronavirus, also known as SARS-CoV-2. There are several variants of the coronavirus.
  • Flu: Caused by any of several different types and strains of influenza viruses. Different strains circulate each year.
  • Wording that makes it really different how?


  • COVID-19: Several COVID-19 vaccines have been authorized for emergency use among specific age groups by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Johns Hopkins Medicine views all authorized COVID-19 vaccines as highly effective at preventing serious disease, hospitalization, and death from COVID-19.
  • Emergency use only among a age group! they are also saying one place, ONE PLACE, "views" (NOT MAY, OR EFFECTIVE, they VIEW) as effective. NOT saying it works or nothing the "SCIENCE" you are telling me you been told it was to do!
    Learn more about coronavirus vaccine safety and what you need to know about the COVID vaccines.

    Flu: A vaccine is available and effective in preventing some of the most dangerous types or to reduce the severity or duration of the flu. It is very important to get vaccinated for the flu this year.
  • I know of people that took the vax for the flu only to get the flu shortly after getting the shot for it.

COVID-19: Complications, including long-term damage to the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain and other organs, is possible (again not sure) after a severe case of COVID-19.

Flu: Influenza complications can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscles (myositis, rhabdomyolysis), and multi-organ failure. Secondary bacterial infections sometimes occur following a bout of influenza infection.
HOLY SHIT GIVE ME COVID! Nothing there says after a severe case if the flu for this to happen to me

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates (Not sure again, just now instead of "may" its worded with Estimates) that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate (Not sure again, just now instead of "may" its worded with Estimates) the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

I am NOT at all saying I think it is fake, or not believe in it, I do, its just hard to jump off the cliff with everyone else just because they say to do it, and "SCIENCE" tells them to go do it, and not give proof as to why to do it, or test done over a period of time, or if read from the CDC website I collected the above from between the 2, saying this like may, estimates, feels, views, not sure but COULD be as high as XXXX, tests are being done not test have completed and found to be effective.

If you do not question what you are taking or being jabbed with, then I really must ask who is the stupid one? If you cannot give me something that says it is effective (now lol) and I need to take it, no longer in its emergency stage for people of only certain age, I must ask who is stupid? I am asking for more then one side of information, and when you question the answer given, instead of showing stuff to read or watch that proves without a reasonable doubt what you had a concern for is not a problem, look this test xxx was done, this many people before rolling it out to the masses across the world has proven xxx, is told your a dumb fucker, science says so thats all you need to know, you are now banned and posted removed with your questions and concerns, and you are now labeled as a kkk all people hating, not science trusting dumb fuck. I love all people, but you should die for not believing in science and getting the shot that science this month says if you do not take it will kill me.

the science between the Flu and Covid from the CDC

if I have grammar errors, or you did not feel like reading it, thats fine, for I am not here to please and make your life better, and if going to call me names when I have disabilities that cause me to have problems when typing and getting points across, I sure do not wish to fix any of it just to please you, and need you as a friend, or anything of the sort, and want nothing to do with mean cold hearted two faced butt munches such as yourselves. Want to believe your science, thats great, you have every right to do so, and I will not say not to, or force you not to, Im just bringing up things said in the past to QUESTION SCIENCE you seem to know more without giving me examples to read about that is FACT, rather then putting me down, my family down, calling a person with disabilities down calling them a dumb shit/fuck ;)

What really is wrong with questions rather be feed stuff that has changed over and over and over as to the SCIENCE being correct only to be contradicted or told something totally different then what was told to me before hand.

The way you can see how those people jumping off a bridge have ‘landed’ is all around you. Like a billion people have been vaccinated and they are fine, all while our hospitals and morgues fill up with the unvaccinated. Every person here relying to you is vaccinated - it’s not a big deal.

For your own sake and the sake of people you care about, stop this nonsense. The vaccine is safe and effective as proven by the experience of a billion people.
 
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I'm really sorry to see your anti-vaccine turn in this thread, as you consistently saw through Turmp and his supporters bs and lies, but somehow have not been able to on this (which, would it help to say that Turmp supporters are pretty rabidly anti-vaccine with many of the same arguments you're using?).

The Internet really has fucked with people's minds. I guess your brain either adapts to keep up with the constant flow of new information, or turns to mush. I have to wonder if similar things happened to contemporary homo sapiens when written language was first introduced, or the wheel, or when algebra and zero spread through Europe. Did some people go batshit??

I mean they went so batshit that their behavior was written in history and passed down for centuries, or even in some instances, millenia. Salem witch trials, the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, among many many many others. So yeah, people went batshit quite a lot through history often when confronted with advancements that would benefit them.
 

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I'm not so certain that it's as much the people (yes they have a role) as it is their leaders manipulating them. If there's any one overwhelming historical trend, it's that the right people in the right positions with enough audience can froth up some pretty horrible outcomes.
 

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I'm not so certain that it's as much the people (yes they have a role) as it is their leaders manipulating them. If there's any one overwhelming historical trend, it's that the right people in the right positions with enough audience can froth up some pretty horrible outcomes.
I agree. Before COVID anti-vaxx attitudes were relatively evenly split between republicans and democrats. Sort of a weird alliance between evangelicals, libertarian nutjobs, Goop yuppies, and holistic medicine hippies. Now those attitudes are collected far more strongly on the right. Why? Hard to think of any reason other than politics.
 

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Tell me why I must get it, with NO proof that it works, for it was said to get it, and you'll never get it again or spread it to anyone, to now get it not to get it, but you will still get it and pass it on, so why get it if it will not stop me from getting it or passing it on?

Not trying to be dramatic in the least, but the country, people, WHO, doctors, you, say go get it, but if Im getting it to stop something it no longer is said/SCIENCE to stop me from still getting it and passing it on, why are we getting it at all? There really is not much to think too much about it, for told one thing, then told another, and another, and another, and then it turns out I am told to get it though it will not stop me from getting it or spreading it, so why in hell take it in the first place? Just because science and others say to get it? That does not make any sense to me.

It would be,
Jay, you have cancer, but the type you have can spread it to others

Me: OH DAMN

Them: Great news however, there is a new shot that may stop you from getting a different variation of the cancer and pass it to others but its never really been tested on mass living things, but no one will ever get your cancer, nor you getting a different one.

Me: Ok shoot me up doc

Them months later: Hey got the shot, good, but you now have a different more aggressive cancer. OH btw you gave ur wife cancer too....

Me: You told me getting the shot, and believing in you/science, it would not happen...

Them: Yeah, see we did not do enough or any real tests on it before giving it to you and others, and we said it "MAY" fix that and not spread, but we were wrong, but trust us, you now need a 2nd and 3rd round and a booster shot for the rest of your life.

Me: Damn, you told me I could not spread it to anyone else and my wife has it, why should I believe you this time...

Them: Science, and others have been doing it and they have not died in the under a year we been giving it to people all around the world, and besides that, I'm "SCIENCE" educated and Science is never wrong.....

Me: But you were wrong, I got the shot, now its more aggressive then ever, and I gave cancer to my wife.....

Them: no

Me: yes, you told me that....

Them: No I said it "MAY" work, did not say it would for we only rolled it out as a emergency trial, and tests need to be conducted to see if it is effective....

Me: WTF, why did I and still am taking it....

Them: SCIENCE, and if you do not, you will die because you are a dumbass, and......SCIENCE BITCHES!

Me:
Do not need to wear a mask they do not work. Wear a mask for they do. Oh not only wear a mask but has to be a N64 one no other will work. Ok that does not matter anymore but now wear 3 cloth masks. Poof here is a shot that if I take can no longer for the rest of my life get or spread covid. Got the shot now I can get it still and pass it on. Do not go to work. Do not go out to eat. Do not gather with other people even friends or family. Did I not see you say not to do that but watched a video of you at a party with friends not doing what you are saying I MUST do or people will die? Did I not see you on a cramped plane with others sitting next to one another NOT wearing masks or at safe distances? Why do I still have Cancer and spreading it, you said I couldn't? Why am I seeing you do almost everything I am told am not allowed to do anymore doing it?

Them:
Science.

Me: can I get more information to this "science" you claim to have you tell me I must follow the guidelines you clearly do not, for its all one sided on the internet and once I see something pop up I can read or watch showing me the total opposite of what you say, its is removed and people are banned for life, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can I get that information so I can see if I really feel it is my best interest.....

Them: No. Science. You do not need to read anything for I am telling you, SCIENCE, we are never wrong, and your are questioning, SCIENCE, sooooooo you dumbass. SCIENCE!

Me, MAYBE years later: Doc why are you and others dying.....

Them: Took the shot thinking Science was right with out trials or anything really, I was told SCIENCE, so I told you SCIENCE, but SCIECE let me down, now I have grown a 3rd nut, and dying of cancer.

Me: hmmmm, science?

I am not trying to over think all this, but have have been told this that and the other in the name of science since this first came out in China back in 19, and now told even getting the shot I can still get it and pass it on, so why take it? What do others know I do not that would take something to prevent you from getting and passing it on to others, that after getting the shot that MAY do this, can still get it the shot was to stop me from getting?

Is it too much to ask that if you are smarter, and that it is safe, though out for less then a years time to determine that, to give me the information you are watching and reading, so I may, rather then calling me a dumbass and to respect the science you yourself do not know about, for if you did I would be reading about it, and editing my fucked up posts? But instead I'm called names a dumbass, and I am the cause of spreading it, not the ones who got it, and can still get it and spread it. I WANT TO BE INFORMED, NOT INSULTED ASKING FOR WHAT YOU READ FOR YOU TO MAKE THE CHOICE(S) YOU DID ;)

How am I a dumb fuck for asking questions, of which you need to ask or be taught in order to learn, when you just read a short thing that says, take the shot, is safe, SCIENCE, but look no further into it, only because someone/place/official just says it is, only for months later to retract what they said and say something else?
 
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Tell me why I must get it, with NO proof that it works, for it was said to get it, and you'll never get it again or spread it to anyone, to now get it not to get it, but you will still get it and pass it on, so why get it if it will not stop me from getting it or passing it on?

Not trying to be dramatic in the least, but the country, people, WHO, doctors, you, say go get it, but if Im getting it to stop something it no longer is said/SCIENCE to stop me from still getting it and passing it on, why are we getting it at all? There really is not much to think too much about it, for told one thing, then told another, and another, and another, and then it turns out I am told to get it though it will not stop me from getting it or spreading it, so why in hell take it in the first place? Just because science and others say to get it? That does not make any sense to me.

It would be,
Jay, you have cancer, but the type you have can spread it to others

Me: OH DAMN

Them: Great news however, there is a new shot that may stop you from getting a different variation of the cancer and pass it to others but its never really been tested on mass living things, but no one will ever get your cancer, nor you getting a different one.

Me: Ok shoot me up doc

Them months later: Hey got the shot, good, but you now have a different more aggressive cancer. OH btw you gave ur wife cancer too....

Me: You told me getting the shot, and believing in you/science, it would not happen...

Them: Yeah, see we did not do enough or any real tests on it before giving it to you and others, and we said it "MAY" fix that and not spread, but we were wrong, but trust us, you now need a 2nd and 3rd round and a booster shot for the rest of your life.

Me: Damn, you told me I could not spread it to anyone else and my wife has it, why should I believe you this time...

Them: Science, and others have been doing it and they have not died in the under a year we been giving it to people all around the world, and besides that, I'm "SCIENCE" educated and Science is never wrong.....

Me: But you were wrong, I got the shot, now its more aggressive then ever, and I gave cancer to my wife.....

Them: no

Me: yes, you told me that....

Them: No I said it "MAY" work, did not say it would for we only rolled it out as a emergency trial, and tests need to be conducted to see if it is effective....

Me: WTF, why did I and still am taking it....

Them: SCIENCE, and if you do not, you will die because you are a dumbass, and......SCIENCE BITCHES!

Me:
Do not need to wear a mask they do not work. Wear a mask for they do. Oh not only wear a mask but has to be a N64 one no other will work. Ok that does not matter anymore but now wear 3 cloth masks. Poof here is a shot that if I take can no longer for the rest of my life get or spread covid. Got the shot now I can get it still and pass it on. Do not go to work. Do not go out to eat. Do not gather with other people even friends or family. Did I not see you say not to do that but watched a video of you at a party with friends not doing what you are saying I MUST do or people will die? Did I not see you on a cramped plane with others sitting next to one another NOT wearing masks or at safe distances? Why do I still have Cancer and spreading it, you said I couldn't? Why am I seeing you do almost everything I am told am not allowed to do anymore doing it?

Them:
Science.

Me: can I get more information to this "science" you claim to have you tell me I must follow the guidelines you clearly do not, for its all one sided on the internet and once I see something pop up I can read or watch showing me the total opposite of what you say, its is removed and people are banned for life, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can I get that information so I can see if I really feel it is my best interest.....

Them: No. Science. You do not need to read anything for I am telling you, SCIENCE, we are never wrong, and your are questioning, SCIENCE, sooooooo you dumbass. SCIENCE!

Me, MAYBE years later: Doc why are you and others dying.....

Them: Took the shot thinking Science was right with out trials or anything really, I was told SCIENCE, so I told you SCIENCE, but SCIECE let me down, now I have grown a 3rd nut, and dying of cancer.

Me: hmmmm, science?

I am not trying to over think all this, but have have been told this that and the other in the name of science since this first came out in China back in 19, and now told even getting the shot I can still get it and pass it on, so why take it? What do others know I do not that would take something to prevent you from getting and passing it on to others, that after getting the shot that MAY do this, can still get it the shot was to stop me from getting?

Is it too much to ask that if you are smarter, and that it is safe, though out for less then a years time to determine that, to give me the information you are watching and reading, so I may, rather then calling me a dumbass and to respect the science you yourself do not know about, for if you did I would be reading about it, and editing my fucked up posts? But instead I'm called names a dumbass, and I am the cause of spreading it, not the ones who got it, and can still get it and spread it. I WANT TO BE INFORMED, NOT INSULTED ASKING FOR WHAT YOU READ FOR YOU TO MAKE THE CHOICE(S) YOU DID ;)

How am I a dumb fuck for asking questions, of which you need to ask or be taught in order to learn, when you just read a short thing that says, take the shot, is safe, SCIENCE, but look no further into it, only because someone/place/official just says it is, only for months later to retract what they said and say something else?
Because if you really wanted to learn, you'd be reviewing lots of medical journals and other published data, understanding the different types of medical experiments one can conduct and what they mean at a practical level, and you'd ultimately arrive at the exact same conclusions that all the experts in the world have arrived at: the vaccines are safe, effective, and our best defense against covid.

At this point the vaccines have hundreds of millions (billions?) of data points. It's nearly impossible to build a better data set than that.

You may say you want to learn, but in reality you want to stay ignorant
 

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Tell me why I must get it, with NO proof that it works, for it was said to get it, and you'll never get it again or spread it to anyone, to now get it not to get it, but you will still get it and pass it on, so why get it if it will not stop me from getting it or passing it on?

Not trying to be dramatic in the least, but the country, people, WHO, doctors, you, say go get it, but if Im getting it to stop something it no longer is said/SCIENCE to stop me from still getting it and passing it on, why are we getting it at all? There really is not much to think too much about it, for told one thing, then told another, and another, and another, and then it turns out I am told to get it though it will not stop me from getting it or spreading it, so why in hell take it in the first place? Just because science and others say to get it? That does not make any sense to me.

It would be,
Jay, you have cancer, but the type you have can spread it to others

Me: OH DAMN

Them: Great news however, there is a new shot that may stop you from getting a different variation of the cancer and pass it to others but its never really been tested on mass living things, but no one will ever get your cancer, nor you getting a different one.

Me: Ok shoot me up doc

Them months later: Hey got the shot, good, but you now have a different more aggressive cancer. OH btw you gave ur wife cancer too....

Me: You told me getting the shot, and believing in you/science, it would not happen...

Them: Yeah, see we did not do enough or any real tests on it before giving it to you and others, and we said it "MAY" fix that and not spread, but we were wrong, but trust us, you now need a 2nd and 3rd round and a booster shot for the rest of your life.

Me: Damn, you told me I could not spread it to anyone else and my wife has it, why should I believe you this time...

Them: Science, and others have been doing it and they have not died in the under a year we been giving it to people all around the world, and besides that, I'm "SCIENCE" educated and Science is never wrong.....

Me: But you were wrong, I got the shot, now its more aggressive then ever, and I gave cancer to my wife.....

Them: no

Me: yes, you told me that....

Them: No I said it "MAY" work, did not say it would for we only rolled it out as a emergency trial, and tests need to be conducted to see if it is effective....

Me: WTF, why did I and still am taking it....

Them: SCIENCE, and if you do not, you will die because you are a dumbass, and......SCIENCE BITCHES!

Me:
Do not need to wear a mask they do not work. Wear a mask for they do. Oh not only wear a mask but has to be a N64 one no other will work. Ok that does not matter anymore but now wear 3 cloth masks. Poof here is a shot that if I take can no longer for the rest of my life get or spread covid. Got the shot now I can get it still and pass it on. Do not go to work. Do not go out to eat. Do not gather with other people even friends or family. Did I not see you say not to do that but watched a video of you at a party with friends not doing what you are saying I MUST do or people will die? Did I not see you on a cramped plane with others sitting next to one another NOT wearing masks or at safe distances? Why do I still have Cancer and spreading it, you said I couldn't? Why am I seeing you do almost everything I am told am not allowed to do anymore doing it?

Them:
Science.

Me: can I get more information to this "science" you claim to have you tell me I must follow the guidelines you clearly do not, for its all one sided on the internet and once I see something pop up I can read or watch showing me the total opposite of what you say, its is removed and people are banned for life, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can I get that information so I can see if I really feel it is my best interest.....

Them: No. Science. You do not need to read anything for I am telling you, SCIENCE, we are never wrong, and your are questioning, SCIENCE, sooooooo you dumbass. SCIENCE!

Me, MAYBE years later: Doc why are you and others dying.....

Them: Took the shot thinking Science was right with out trials or anything really, I was told SCIENCE, so I told you SCIENCE, but SCIECE let me down, now I have grown a 3rd nut, and dying of cancer.

Me: hmmmm, science?

I am not trying to over think all this, but have have been told this that and the other in the name of science since this first came out in China back in 19, and now told even getting the shot I can still get it and pass it on, so why take it? What do others know I do not that would take something to prevent you from getting and passing it on to others, that after getting the shot that MAY do this, can still get it the shot was to stop me from getting?

Is it too much to ask that if you are smarter, and that it is safe, though out for less then a years time to determine that, to give me the information you are watching and reading, so I may, rather then calling me a dumbass and to respect the science you yourself do not know about, for if you did I would be reading about it, and editing my fucked up posts? But instead I'm called names a dumbass, and I am the cause of spreading it, not the ones who got it, and can still get it and spread it. I WANT TO BE INFORMED, NOT INSULTED ASKING FOR WHAT YOU READ FOR YOU TO MAKE THE CHOICE(S) YOU DID ;)

How am I a dumb fuck for asking questions, of which you need to ask or be taught in order to learn, when you just read a short thing that says, take the shot, is safe, SCIENCE, but look no further into it, only because someone/place/official just says it is, only for months later to retract what they said and say something else?

You should stop drinking.
 

UNCjigga

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Tell me why I must get it, with NO proof that it works, for it was said to get it, and you'll never get it again or spread it to anyone, to now get it not to get it, but you will still get it and pass it on, so why get it if it will not stop me from getting it or passing it on?

Not trying to be dramatic in the least, but the country, people, WHO, doctors, you, say go get it, but if Im getting it to stop something it no longer is said/SCIENCE to stop me from still getting it and passing it on, why are we getting it at all? There really is not much to think too much about it, for told one thing, then told another, and another, and another, and then it turns out I am told to get it though it will not stop me from getting it or spreading it, so why in hell take it in the first place? Just because science and others say to get it? That does not make any sense to me.

It would be,
Jay, you have cancer, but the type you have can spread it to others

Me: OH DAMN

Them: Great news however, there is a new shot that may stop you from getting a different variation of the cancer and pass it to others but its never really been tested on mass living things, but no one will ever get your cancer, nor you getting a different one.

Me: Ok shoot me up doc

Them months later: Hey got the shot, good, but you now have a different more aggressive cancer. OH btw you gave ur wife cancer too....

Me: You told me getting the shot, and believing in you/science, it would not happen...

Them: Yeah, see we did not do enough or any real tests on it before giving it to you and others, and we said it "MAY" fix that and not spread, but we were wrong, but trust us, you now need a 2nd and 3rd round and a booster shot for the rest of your life.

Me: Damn, you told me I could not spread it to anyone else and my wife has it, why should I believe you this time...

Them: Science, and others have been doing it and they have not died in the under a year we been giving it to people all around the world, and besides that, I'm "SCIENCE" educated and Science is never wrong.....

Me: But you were wrong, I got the shot, now its more aggressive then ever, and I gave cancer to my wife.....

Them: no

Me: yes, you told me that....

Them: No I said it "MAY" work, did not say it would for we only rolled it out as a emergency trial, and tests need to be conducted to see if it is effective....

Me: WTF, why did I and still am taking it....

Them: SCIENCE, and if you do not, you will die because you are a dumbass, and......SCIENCE BITCHES!

Me:
Do not need to wear a mask they do not work. Wear a mask for they do. Oh not only wear a mask but has to be a N64 one no other will work. Ok that does not matter anymore but now wear 3 cloth masks. Poof here is a shot that if I take can no longer for the rest of my life get or spread covid. Got the shot now I can get it still and pass it on. Do not go to work. Do not go out to eat. Do not gather with other people even friends or family. Did I not see you say not to do that but watched a video of you at a party with friends not doing what you are saying I MUST do or people will die? Did I not see you on a cramped plane with others sitting next to one another NOT wearing masks or at safe distances? Why do I still have Cancer and spreading it, you said I couldn't? Why am I seeing you do almost everything I am told am not allowed to do anymore doing it?

Them:
Science.

Me: can I get more information to this "science" you claim to have you tell me I must follow the guidelines you clearly do not, for its all one sided on the internet and once I see something pop up I can read or watch showing me the total opposite of what you say, its is removed and people are banned for life, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can I get that information so I can see if I really feel it is my best interest.....

Them: No. Science. You do not need to read anything for I am telling you, SCIENCE, we are never wrong, and your are questioning, SCIENCE, sooooooo you dumbass. SCIENCE!

Me, MAYBE years later: Doc why are you and others dying.....

Them: Took the shot thinking Science was right with out trials or anything really, I was told SCIENCE, so I told you SCIENCE, but SCIECE let me down, now I have grown a 3rd nut, and dying of cancer.

Me: hmmmm, science?

I am not trying to over think all this, but have have been told this that and the other in the name of science since this first came out in China back in 19, and now told even getting the shot I can still get it and pass it on, so why take it? What do others know I do not that would take something to prevent you from getting and passing it on to others, that after getting the shot that MAY do this, can still get it the shot was to stop me from getting?

Is it too much to ask that if you are smarter, and that it is safe, though out for less then a years time to determine that, to give me the information you are watching and reading, so I may, rather then calling me a dumbass and to respect the science you yourself do not know about, for if you did I would be reading about it, and editing my fucked up posts? But instead I'm called names a dumbass, and I am the cause of spreading it, not the ones who got it, and can still get it and spread it. I WANT TO BE INFORMED, NOT INSULTED ASKING FOR WHAT YOU READ FOR YOU TO MAKE THE CHOICE(S) YOU DID ;)

How am I a dumb fuck for asking questions, of which you need to ask or be taught in order to learn, when you just read a short thing that says, take the shot, is safe, SCIENCE, but look no further into it, only because someone/place/official just says it is, only for months later to retract what they said and say something else?

You don't take the shot to be immune to the virus (we know it doesn't work that way now.)

You don't take the shot to prevent spreading it to others (sadly that may have worked with earlier variants, but not Delta, and not long term. Masks work better to prevent spread.

You get the shot to lower your chances of dying if you get the virus. Full stop. That's the only thing it's been proven to do. But that can be all the difference between treating COVID like a pandemic and shutting down vs. treating it like the flu and taking a shot every year and going on with your life.

Maybe herd immunity is a pipe dream at this point, but if enough people get vaccinated and do what's necessary to slow the spread, then maybe it helps with slowing the speed of mutation and gives big pharma more time to create more effective vaccines.

Just saw there's another extremely mutated variant in South Africa, C12, which may be more transmissive like Delta but also more immuno suppressive or immuno resistant. Not enough data to say just yet but I hope it doesn't come here.
 

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I am not trying to over think all this, but have have been told this that and the other in the name of science since this first came out in China back in 19, and now told even getting the shot I can still get it and pass it on, so why take it? What do others know I do not that would take something to prevent you from getting and passing it on to others, that after getting the shot that MAY do this, can still get it the shot was to stop me from getting?

Good science acts on available information, and adapts as new data becomes available. What you heard early in the pandemic was helpful based on what we knew — it's just that we didn't have the luxury of waiting until we knew more, which we now do. One of my biggest gripes is that many people (you included) treat science as if it's supposed to emerge with a perfect, unchanging explanation for everything, when the truth is that it's a constant process of discovery. It's just that many of the scientific theories and formulas we have now, like evolution and spacetime, are the product of decades or even centuries of endless revision and merely seem perfect.

Also, it sounds like you've fallen for common misinformation about vaccines. For starters, no vaccine in history has guaranteed immunity. Not a single one. A vaccine teaches your immune system to recognize a virus and better fight against it — there's always a chance that your particular immune system might not be up to the job, or the virus that reaches you is a mutated version that doesn't get caught. But even if you do get infected, you're much less likely to be hospitalized. It could be the difference between a bad cough and permanent lung damage.

More importantly, those talks of passing the virus on to others despite being vaccinated... the evidence so far shows that only really happens with breakthrough cases (i.e. where you're infected despite being fully vaccinated). And given that those cases are a very, very small minority, it's safe to say you're still much better off being vaccinated.

So... can you tell me when you have your shots scheduled?
 
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I agree. Before COVID anti-vaxx attitudes were relatively evenly split between republicans and democrats. Sort of a weird alliance between evangelicals, libertarian nutjobs, Goop yuppies, and holistic medicine hippies. Now those attitudes are collected far more strongly on the right. Why? Hard to think of any reason other than politics.

I reckon the holistic medicine crowd were always teetering on the brink of being on the hard-right. There's a lot of potential for victim-blaming in that "new age" way of thinking - if your cancer spreads it's because of your 'negative energy', etc. And victim-blamers are likely to end up on the hard-right.

The COVID affair seems to have driven many of those types over the edge completely. I think it's not so much all of the right turning to anti-vaxx and associated 'woo', as those who believe in 'woo' moving more overtly to the right.
 

skyking

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@SamirD , I get the gist of your message. it's absolutely true that vaccinated people are getting asymptomatic infections and spreading virus.
Not your uncle or anybody else knows to what extent, for the simple reason that asymptomatic people don't get tested, and they simply have no clue.
I do agree that letting down our guard at this time and doing less mask wearing is harmful.
However, I don't see any mask rule changes based on whether you're vaccinated or not around here.
I and everybody I know still masks up like day one when we started without a vaccine.
as to how many people who are vaccinated end up hospitalized here are two small data points from two weeks ago.
A hospital system in Western Washington had 197 covid patients across several hospitals. only one was vaccinated.
an affiliated hospital system in the eastern part of the state had less dramatic numbers, 76 and 4 were vaccinated.
I will try and get more recent data from that source.
 
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According to the most recent poll, vaccine hesitancy and refusal have declined.

  • Only one in five (20%) Americans say they are not likely to get the coronavirus vaccine, the lowest level since we started tracking. Hard opposition, those not at all likely, has dropped to 14% of adults.

This latest wave is just eviscerating rural communities. They are now seeing friends, relatives, local leaders die from it. Rural hospitals that they trust are sounding alarms. They are finally starting to "get it".
 
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This latest wave is just eviscerating rural communities. They are now seeing friends, relatives, local leaders die from it. Rural hospitals that they trust are sounding alarms. They are finally starting to "get it".

Little bit harder to pretend it's a hoax when the corpses of people you know and are related to are piling up all over the place. Still kind of impressed that people literally at deaths door in some cases keep their delusion going.
 

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Little bit harder to pretend it's a hoax when the corpses of people you know and are related to are piling up all over the place. Still kind of impressed that people literally at deaths door in some cases keep their delusion going.
To me the most impressive/disturbing part was how a guy even as he was hospitalized was asked if he had a chance to do it all over would he take the vaccine to avoid this and he was adamant that he would not.

Cultural solidarity is literally killing those people but they would rather die than admit to being wrong.
 
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UNCjigga

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Cultural solidarity is literally killing those people but they would rather die than admit to being wrong.
Admitting they're wrong? Might as well just subscribe to Liberal Hollywood's Gay Agenda at that point! They don't want to vaxx and mask up because then they'd be no different than queers and pedophiles. Don't you understand that???
 

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Admitting they're wrong? Might as well just subscribe to Liberal Hollywood's Gay Agenda at that point! They don't want to vaxx and mask up because then they'd be no different than queers and pedophiles. Don't you understand that???
I really think they are so tied up in the culture war that what you're saying isn't so far off. They would have to admit the liberals that they hate so much were entirely right, and that's hard to do.
 

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Fortunately, they don't have to admit they were wrong. They just have to go and quietly get vaccinated. And not tell their neighbors.

Deep down, there's still an admission of wrongness even to themselves that they have to reconcile there.
 
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Fortunately, they don't have to admit they were wrong. They just have to go and quietly get vaccinated. And not tell their neighbors.

I read about a doctors office in TX, I think it was Texas.
The Doctor is staying open late with a limited staff to vaccinate those who are afraid they will see a neighbor.
 

UNCjigga

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Deep down, there's still an admission of wrongness even to themselves that they have to reconcile there.

That assumes there's a conscience--another function missing in code.

I think a good analogy for conservatives' overall reaction to Covid rearing it's head and bearing down on them would be this:

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If they cannot adapt, we should let them die off.
 

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I am not trying to over think all this,
I would suggest the best place to start is to start over and think about it with a fresh blank slate. Forget every single thing you have read or heard and start over. Yes, early on there were some guesses that were made (for example, we guessed that hand sanitizer might help before we knew how the disease really transmitted). Yes, some ideas turned out to be incorrect (hand sanitizer does not really help with Covid). But that is the point of something new, we err on the side of caution, and make corrections as necessary. It is better to needlessly have clean hands than to die or make the disease worse. You do not need to worry, or panic, or avoid the vaccine, you need to learn to absorb the latest information and to let the old information and misinformation leave.
and now told even getting the shot I can still get it and pass it on, so why take it?
Take it for your safety. Take it for the safety of others around you. Yes, vaccinated people might in some cases pass it on but you are less likely to pass it on. Vaccines aren't an on/off switch. Vaccines are about probability. Just one dose of vaccine can cut your risk of transmitting the disease in half. You are correct that there is still the ability to transmit it. But don't you want to cut your friends and family risk in half? More doses cuts it even further. There are plenty of data sources to look at. Here is one: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112
What do others know I do not that would take something to prevent you from getting and passing it on to others, that after getting the shot that MAY do this, can still get it the shot was to stop me from getting?
There is no prevention. There never has been and never will be prevention. There is only reduction. You can greatly reduce your chance of being hospitalized, you can greatly reduce your chance of death, you can greatly reduce your chance of spreading the disease. Why is total prevention the only route you are interested in? It will not and can not happen. The choice isn't between (A) do nothing and (B) complete prevention. There are plenty of options between (A) and (B). Vaccines are one of the best of those options.
though out for less then a years time
Covid vaccines have been available since Feb 7, 2020. That is over 1.5 years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/victor...ronavirus-vaccine-in-seattle/?sh=2395b49b2583

What is more is that the mRNA has actually been studied for vaccine purposes for far longer than that. Moderna signed a deal to make mRNA vaccines with AstroZeneca 5.5 years ago. https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-c...uno-oncology-mRNA-therapeutics-11012016.html# Therapeutic mRNA was first published exactly 16 years ago: https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1074-7613(05)00211-6. mRNA studies in living creatures have been going on since 1990: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1690918/
I WANT TO BE INFORMED, NOT INSULTED ASKING FOR WHAT YOU READ FOR YOU TO MAKE THE CHOICE(S) YOU DID
mRNA is in you. mRNA is in every single one of your cells (https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/ribosomes-transcription-and-translation-14120660/) mRNA is in every single thing you have ever eaten. mRNA is in all plant cells, it is in all animal cells. If you want safety data on mRNA, just ask yourself is eating safe -- if not, should we all stop eating?

mRNA also is extremely short-lived. It is that way by nature. mRNA degrades within days and leaves no trace behind. This is how your body functions. It constantly makes and destroys mRNA. This should give you some confidence that it won't suddenly give you problems years from now as it simply will not and can not be in your body years from now. Same with the proteins made, they will be gone in days. The half-life of mRNA and proteins is in minutes or hours. http://book.bionumbers.org/how-fast-do-rnas-and-proteins-degrade/

Can you list one common problematic long term symptom of any vaccine ever? How does that compare to say the 5-year or 10-year long term problems that develop from having Covid? How do you know?
but look no further into it
Actually, please do look further into it. Ask away. Ask real doctors, ask real scientists. Just don't ask politicians. Ask me, I'll be here (just please quote me so I know to respond).

only because someone/place/official just says it is, only for months later to retract what they said and say something else?
That is why I ask you not to ask politicians. Ask people who do not have an incentive to mislead.
 
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Sorry funboy, not going to waste my time trying to convince you. Just hope at some point you'll see the similarities between your behavior and that of the Turmp supporters will wake you from the stupor of ignorance that you've become enshrouded in.

Little bit harder to pretend it's a hoax when the corpses of people you know and are related to are piling up all over the place. Still kind of impressed that people literally at deaths door in some cases keep their delusion going.

Oh, they're still pretending. Seeing lots of people talking about extended family that died with no explanation and the family close to the person refuses to admit it was COVID. You also see it with the families demanding that COVID isn't listed as cause of death, and other stuff to try and keep deluding themselves.