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My 13 y/o got her second round this weekend. No issues. Now 3/4 in my house are double vaxxed. Just waiting for CDC to clear the under 12 y/o group.
I was hoping the trials could move along a bit faster, but it seems like Pfizer won't have data on younger children until September at the earliest. Moderna has been painfully slow, possibly demonstrating their relative inexperience and limited infrastructure for clinical studies, but some of the study sites are only now opening up and starting enrollment of children. Pfizer is probably going to beat them to the punch and most kids will probably end up receiving their vaccine in the fall.My 13 y/o got her second round this weekend. No issues. Now 3/4 in my house are double vaxxed. Just waiting for CDC to clear the under 12 y/o group.
While anti-vaxxing is generally presented as conspiracy theories and rebelling against "Big Pharma," the truth is that it's really a fairly straightforward and extremely cynical calculus of risk externalization.Didn't he get covid already?
I would add to your statement that the other pathway to defeating covid is natural immunity though widespread infection... But that's the dumb way to do it that kills a lot of people.
That seems to be his preferred choice, for whatever strange reasoning.
Yeah, I've talked to a number of people who don't/won't get vaccinated and it does run the gamut you describe.While anti-vaxxing is generally presented as conspiracy theories and rebelling against "Big Pharma," the truth is that it's really a fairly straightforward and extremely cynical calculus of risk externalization.
Take, for example, any well-vaccinated disease and compare the odds of getting the disease within a herd immunized environment vs the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction. If both are comparable (regardless of how minute), then what the anti-vaxxer is really doing is externalizing the risks of a vaccine reaction onto the vaccinated while enjoying the benefits of herd immunity that the vaccinated provide them.
And while most anti-vaxxers are probably as batshit as they appear to be, there is no doubt IMO that a great many of them know exactly what they're doing. Which is why you see many of them complain about being guilted or shamed for not vaxxing. That's their conscience speaking.
Lets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.Yeah, I've talked to a number of people who don't/won't get vaccinated and it does run the gamut you describe.
I feel bad for those that can't because of some other health condition. I wouldn't want that hanging over me.
I don't necessarily get tyo excited about women thinking about children wanting to proceed cautiously. Don't think the science supports a serious concern.. but it's sensitive, so whatever.
Then there are those that won't just because.
These are the ones I think are a bit mad. I don't see how you weigh the risks of getting covid vs and adverse reaction and logically decide the vaccine is riskier.
Part of the calc has to assume that the virus disappears, but I don't think that's happening soon. So they would rather roll the dice on getting covid and not getting seriously ill. Fine, but I'm not doing anything to protect your dumb ass then. I'm vaccinated, I'm returning to normal life. If I get some asymptomatic infection then spread it to you and you get seriously ill... Well that was your choice.
People want to ignore inconvenient facts for their worldview. Look a polio. The 70% of pediatric infections are asymptomatic and the risk of developing polio induced paralysis was <1%. And some of those who did develop paralysis could recover. This is a virus that has been nearly eradicated and hasn't circulated in the US for 20 years. And yet there's a group of people who claim they are ok vaccinate against polio and not SARS-CoV-2. Hmmm. Facts that suddenly become inconvenient.While anti-vaxxing is generally presented as conspiracy theories and rebelling against "Big Pharma," the truth is that it's really a fairly straightforward and extremely cynical calculus of risk externalization.
Take, for example, any well-vaccinated disease and compare the odds of getting the disease within a herd immunized environment vs the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction. If both are comparable (regardless of how minute), then what the anti-vaxxer is really doing is externalizing the risks of a vaccine reaction onto the vaccinated while enjoying the benefits of herd immunity that the vaccinated provide them.
And while most anti-vaxxers are probably as batshit as they appear to be, there is no doubt IMO that a great many of them know exactly what they're doing. Which is why you see many of them complain about being guilted or shamed for not vaxxing. That's their conscience speaking.
Just outside that age bracket, but one of my closest friends of 30 years died from COVID a month and a half ago at 42 years old. Was kind of soul crushing at his wake hearing his 3 year-old daughter telling us to be quiet because daddy is sleeping. I hope she remembers him because he was an awesome person and an amazing father.Lets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.
I was 42 at the time I got it. 15 months later I still can't smell a thing and my ability to taste is still very jacked up. It's more than death. I've been border line depressed for the last year losing 2/5 senses. It's impacted my marriage. My ability to enjoy food or drinks. I was a very high performing half marathon runner going into my battle with Covid and it took me close to 9 months for my heart/lungs to not panic at the slightest effort. I know at least three other people in their mid 30's that were also half/full marathon athletes that have basically had their lives turn upside down with long haul cardiac issues. One spent 6 months in an ICU.Lets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.
Sorry to hear about your experience. How did you get Covid? Right before the lockdown?I was 42 at the time I got it. 15 months later I still can't smell a thing and my ability to taste is still very jacked up. It's more than death. I've been border line depressed for the last year losing 2/5 senses. It's impacted my marriage. My ability to enjoy food or drinks. I was a very high performing half marathon runner going into my battle with Covid and it took me close to 9 months for my heart/lungs to not panic at the slightest effort. I know at least three other people in their mid 30's that were also half/full marathon athletes that have basically had their lives turn upside down with long haul cardiac issues. One spent 6 months in an ICU.
They ain't dead. But some days they probably wish they were. They lost something they won't get back.
I'm not exactly sure. I worked downtown Portland and had a lot of office mates/cube mates near me that came down from Washington. Washington was really the first hotspot in the US. I got sick (and the rest of my family) the first week of March 2020. When I was first symptomatic there hadn't been a positive case in the state yet. Washington had a couple hundred. They are still doing studies but they are pretty sure that there was a super early community spread event along the I5 corridor that I was part of.Sorry to hear about your experience. How did you get Covid? Right before the lockdown?
Your anecdote and conclusion is useless. I know one dude who is 50 that was a symptomatic, I know more people under 40 who were hospitalized. You remain willfully ignorant on this topic to rationalize your selfishness. Good jobLets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.
Exactly. I hate how they say the non senior crowd has such a low risk of dying. Long haulers have such an unknown future. And even if one were asymptomatic, still don't know the long term effects. I'm betting life expectancy going to be dropping for next few generations as a result of CovidI was 42 at the time I got it. 15 months later I still can't smell a thing and my ability to taste is still very jacked up. It's more than death. I've been border line depressed for the last year losing 2/5 senses. It's impacted my marriage. My ability to enjoy food or drinks. I was a very high performing half marathon runner going into my battle with Covid and it took me close to 9 months for my heart/lungs to not panic at the slightest effort. I know at least three other people in their mid 30's that were also half/full marathon athletes that have basically had their lives turn upside down with long haul cardiac issues. One spent 6 months in an ICU.
They ain't dead. But some days they probably wish they were. They lost something they won't get back.
If you actually cared about risk you'd get the vaccine since the risk is far less than that of covid.Lets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.
Yes lets talk honestly...and the truth is fucking knuckle dragging asshats like you hurt our society with your malicious willful stupidity! Fuck off asshole!Lets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.
That kind of assessment demands rational thinking, and you are clearly are asking someone incapable of rational thought to do so.If you actually cared about risk you'd get the vaccine since the risk is far less than that of covid.
I'm very sorry to hear this happened to you.I was 42 at the time I got it. 15 months later I still can't smell a thing and my ability to taste is still very jacked up. It's more than death. I've been border line depressed for the last year losing 2/5 senses. It's impacted my marriage. My ability to enjoy food or drinks. I was a very high performing half marathon runner going into my battle with Covid and it took me close to 9 months for my heart/lungs to not panic at the slightest effort. I know at least three other people in their mid 30's that were also half/full marathon athletes that have basically had their lives turn upside down with long haul cardiac issues. One spent 6 months in an ICU.
They ain't dead. But some days they probably wish they were. They lost something they won't get back.
Me too! Vi is one of the reasons I’m still here.I'm very sorry to hear this happened to you.
I've known a number of people who got it.I was 42 at the time I got it. 15 months later I still can't smell a thing and my ability to taste is still very jacked up. It's more than death. I've been border line depressed for the last year losing 2/5 senses. It's impacted my marriage. My ability to enjoy food or drinks. I was a very high performing half marathon runner going into my battle with Covid and it took me close to 9 months for my heart/lungs to not panic at the slightest effort. I know at least three other people in their mid 30's that were also half/full marathon athletes that have basically had their lives turn upside down with long haul cardiac issues. One spent 6 months in an ICU.
They ain't dead. But some days they probably wish they were. They lost something they won't get back.
When? Now? Peak of third wave? A retired person living a lonely life, or someone working on a medical setting?Lets talk honestly, what is the risk for individuals from age 12-40 if they do not get vaccinated against Covid? From what i can tell, it's very low. The reality is, most will be asymptomatic, i learned that i was. I can't even take a guess when i was sick as at no time did i feel sick, tired etc.
Not to mention that promoting anti-vax sentiment actually weakens a target society, creating another point of schism. Putin's boys wouldn't do that, would they?While anti-vaxxing is generally presented as conspiracy theories and rebelling against "Big Pharma," the truth is that it's really a fairly straightforward and extremely cynical calculus of risk externalization.
Take, for example, any well-vaccinated disease and compare the odds of getting the disease within a herd immunized environment vs the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction. If both are comparable (regardless of how minute), then what the anti-vaxxer is really doing is externalizing the risks of a vaccine reaction onto the vaccinated while enjoying the benefits of herd immunity that the vaccinated provide them.
And while most anti-vaxxers are probably as batshit as they appear to be, there is no doubt IMO that a great many of them know exactly what they're doing. Which is why you see many of them complain about being guilted or shamed for not vaxxing. That's their conscience speaking.
“I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they’re magnetized,” Tenpenny, of Middleburg Heights in Cuyahoga County, said. “You can put a key on their forehead, it sticks. You can put spoons and forks all over and they can stick because now we think there is a metal piece to that.”Later, there was some show-and-tell. Joanna Overholt, a registered nurse from Strongsville, defended Tenpenny’s testimony and placed a key and a hairpin against her chest and neck. “Explain to me why the key sticks to me. It sticks to my neck too. So, yeah, if somebody could explain this, that would be great,” she said as the key failed to stick to her neck.