Have You Gotten Your Covid Vaccine? Thread.

[Moonbeam]

Hell no! Not once, not ever. Our entire lives would be consumed with mindless recalls, impeachments and elections.

I guess that could become an unpleasant issue, but it doesn’t seem all that different than what we already have. I believe the tenth attempt to reopen the government just failed. I guess the stress caused by people trying to resolve differences of opinion and the fear of being bent to majority will can easily be cured by voting in a dictator and doing away with elections altogether.

 

[Greenman]

What a telling statement. Seems you don't want the people to have a way to remove the criminals and such from office.. Because it's clear impeachment doesn't work when it's their own party who has to vote them out.

The very fact that impeachment doesn't work, is why we need an option for the people to remove them. If a recall option causes mindless recallls, impeachments and elections, why doesn't it happen in the states that have such option (not necessarily online)? If course if it really did cause mindles recalls, impeachments and elections, maybe that is a good thing until we get honest moral people back in to office..

It's the online part I disagree with.

 

[Greenman]

I guess that could become an unpleasant issue, but it doesn’t seem all that different than what we already have. I believe the tenth attempt to reopen the government just failed. I guess the stress caused by people trying to resolve differences of opinion and the fear of being bent to majority will can easily be cured by voting in a dictator and doing away with elections altogether.

Thankfully we have a frame work for doing the things we want, and preventing us from doing anything quickly.

 

[NWRMidnight]

It's the online part I disagree with.

Why? You don't like the poeple to have an easy accessible way to get enough "signatures" to start the process? You like it to be a time consuming long process to remove someone that needs to be removed? Sounds like the same song and dance your party does with voter supression, make it as difficult as possible as a deterrent to stop people from doing it.

 

[Muse]

I want to say that husband and I have received so many Covid shots that I swear when we sweat, several people near become immune. In every case, neither of us had any reaction to the shots other than a slight arm soreness for maybe 24 hours - until this shot. Both of us developed sore, swollen, red areas about 4" by 6" with all of these things persisting for about 4 days. Annoying but not incapacitating. The only difference I could find is that all of our previous Covid shots were Moderna and this last one was Pfizer. Just thought it might be worth mentioning.

All my covid shots but the last (9 in all) were Moderna except the last (Dec. 2024), which was Pfizer. All reactions were mild, the 1st the most intense, which was just sore arm, really hurt to elevate arm above head level but that went away in a day or two. Usually only mild soreness or practically none. Will wait a couple weeks to get my next shot because was positive 69 days ago. I figure to get my flu shot in 2 weeks too. Meantime I'm N95 masked in public.

 

[PowerEngineer]

All my covid shots but the last (9 in all) were Moderna except the last (Dec. 2024), which was Pfizer. All reactions were mild, the 1st the most intense, which was just sore arm, really hurt to elevate arm above head level but that went away in a day or two. Usually only mild soreness or practically none. Will wait a couple weeks to get my next shot because was positive 69 days ago. I figure to get my flu shot in 2 weeks too. Meantime I'm N95 masked in public.

I must be one of the lucky ones as I never seem to have noticeable reactions to vaccines, Had both the newest COVID (Moderna) and senior flu vaccines two weeks ago. Nothing aside from some slight swelling near injections sites (same shoulder) only noticeable when I pressed down on the area.

Why? You don't like the poeple to have an easy accessible way to get enough "signatures" to start the process? You like it to be a time consuming long process to remove someone that needs to be removed? Sounds like the same song and dance your party does with voter supression, make it as difficult as possible as a deterrent to stop people from doing it.

I know this is off the topic, however I strongly dislike all processes that are initiated through signature gathering. I never sign any such petitions for ballot measures regardless of which side of the political spectrum they originate from. The reason is that almost every one of them is narrowly focused on a single issue and doesn't take into account the impact that their measure would have on the overall situation. I think that anything making this kind of single-issue voting easier is bad for our society. If it were up to me then I would make it illegal to pay signature gatherers. Hmmm... Maybe I will start a petition... 😄

 

[Muse]

I must be one of the lucky ones as I never seem to have noticeable reactions to vaccines, Had both the newest COVID (Moderna) and senior flu vaccines two weeks ago. Nothing aside from some slight swelling near injections sites (same shoulder) only noticeable when I pressed down on the area.



I know this is off the topic, however I strongly dislike all processes that are initiated through signature gathering. I never sign any such petitions for ballot measures regardless of which side of the political spectrum they originate from. The reason is that almost every one of them is narrowly focused on a single issue and doesn't take into account the impact that their measure would have on the overall situation. I think that anything making this kind of single-issue voting easier is bad for our society. If it were up to me then I would make it illegal to pay signature gatherers. Hmmm... Maybe I will start a petition... 😄

I'm usually with you on this but a recall effort of our county DA had me itching to sign it about a year ago. I bristled when I saw the one interview she allowed by local news organization. She WAS kicked OOO.

 

[Greenman]

Why? You don't like the poeple to have an easy accessible way to get enough "signatures" to start the process? You like it to be a time consuming long process to remove someone that needs to be removed? Sounds like the same song and dance your party does with voter supression, make it as difficult as possible as a deterrent to stop people from doing it.

If you won't get out of your chair to take action, the action isn't very important.
I absolutely don't want government by the low effort "give me what I want" crowd.

 

[brycejones]

If you won't get out of your chair to take action, the action isn't very important.
I absolutely don't want government by the low effort "give me what I want" crowd.

We can’t have nice things because boomers

 

[NWRMidnight]

If you won't get out of your chair to take action, the action isn't very important.
I absolutely don't want government by the low effort "give me what I want" crowd.

Talk about a full on disconnect from reality. First, making and effort, and taking action doesn't require physical action, like walking out of your house. People are not trying to move a physical object. You sound like a senial old man making such a stupid comment.

Second it has nothing to do with "give me what I want". It has everything to do with bringing back, honorable integrity to our government by giving the people the ability to remove those that violate the constitution, break laws, ignore the courts, and those that are not working for the betterment of the citizens, society, and country. Something that those in office refuse to do.

But of course, you are okay with such dishonorable, dishonest, criminals, because you support the criminals in the current administration that are currently violating the constitution, breaking laws, ignoring the courts, and not truly working for the citizens, society, and country as they destroy this country from the inside.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thankfully we have a frame work for doing the things we want, and preventing us from doing anything quickly.

I understand this sympathy completely. Unfortunately as I grew up with an odd habit of questioning everything, having been exposed to the notion that most people including myself had an arrogance issue that caused me to believe that my opinions as to what I thought I wanted anctuslly amounted to forcefully inculcated demands of others around the that I regard what the wanted me was what they told me I should believe was what I wanted but really wasn’t.

In short, I realized that what I was told to believe what was best for me was to accept being a go along get along sheep, because I would be beaten to death if I failed to conform.

Owing to such unconscious pressure, therefore, I now believe that people can easily be programmed to believe their self interest is things that will wind up biting them in the ass.

This turned me into a bleeding heart liberal who is of the opinion, owing to the tremendous sacrifice of the respect of all those who tried to mold me in their image I suffered losing by telling them to fuck off. I paid a huge price and gained with great struggle final equanimity. As a person incapable of doubting the advanced nature of my understanding of such matters, and as a liberal my brothers keeper, I needed to tell you this. Of course I know you can’t hear me and that what I’m telling you will sound like arrogance. My responsibility ends in the telling. Nobody can be made to see. It isn’t everybody who knows we are our worst enemy. That’s a painful insight.

 

[Greenman]

I understand this sympathy completely. Unfortunately as I grew up with an odd habit of questioning everything, having been exposed to the notion that most people including myself had an arrogance issue that caused me to believe that my opinions as to what I thought I wanted anctuslly amounted to forcefully inculcated demands of others around the that I regard what the wanted me was what they told me I should believe was what I wanted but really wasn’t.

In short, I realized that what I was told to believe what was best for me was to accept being a go along get along sheep, because I would be beaten to death if I failed to conform.

Owing to such unconscious pressure, therefore, I now believe that people can easily be programmed to believe their self interest is things that will wind up biting them in the ass.

This turned me into a bleeding heart liberal who is of the opinion, owing to the tremendous sacrifice of the respect of all those who tried to mold me in their image I suffered losing by telling them to fuck off. I paid a huge price and gained with great struggle final equanimity. As a person incapable of doubting the advanced nature of my understanding of such matters, and as a liberal my brothers keeper, I needed to tell you this. Of course I know you can’t hear me and that what I’m telling you will sound like arrogance. My responsibility ends in the telling. Nobody can be made to see. It isn’t everybody who knows we are our worst enemy. That’s a painful insight.

As I read that I assumed the conclusion was going to be that it turned you into a conservative.

 

[nOOky]

My employer offers an October health fair, but I was busy and missed the flu shot and cholesterol/glucose screening. I may go in on my own and get the flu and covid before our vacation in December to Antarctica just because we'll be in a boat for 3 weeks with a bunch of strangers. So far I have only had 4 covid shots two of those being boosters years ago already.

 

[hal2kilo]

My employer offers an October health fair, but I was busy and missed the flu shot and cholesterol/glucose screening. I may go in on my own and get the flu and covid before our vacation in December to Antarctica just because we'll be in a boat for 3 weeks with a bunch of strangers. So far I have only had 4 covid shots two of those being boosters years ago already.

Work, or specialty cruise?

 

[PowerEngineer]

Thankfully we have a frame work for doing the things we want, and preventing us from doing anything quickly.

Perhaps it would have been better to say "too quickly", but I agree with this sentiment.

Quickness does not equal goodness.

Good government benefits from a framework that requires proposals for change to go through a process that requires government officials and voters to think through the pros and cons that would follow.

I do not want to see laws changed based on the results of an online poll taken during halftime at the Super Bowl. 😄

... As a person incapable of doubting the advanced nature of my understanding of such matters, and as a liberal my brothers keeper, I needed to tell you this. ...

Okay, that sounds a bit scary to me. Akin to the "I know better because I am me" belief behind the blatherings coming out of the mouths of Trump, RFK Jr., and other administration spokespersons (but hardly restricted to just Republicans).

 

[Greenman]

Perhaps it would have been better to say "too quickly", but I agree with this sentiment.

Quickness does not equal goodness.

Good government benefits from a framework that requires proposals for change to go through a process that requires government officials and voters to think through the pros and cons that would follow.

I do not want to see laws changed based on the results of an online poll taken during halftime at the Super Bowl. 😄



Okay, that sounds a bit scary to me. Akin to the "I know better because I am me" belief behind the blatherings coming out of the mouths of Trump, RFK Jr., and other administration spokespersons (but hardly restricted to just Republicans).

It's the lazy people lose interest axiom. An idea or goal dies because it's actual work to move it forward. Revolution from the comfort of ones sofa is the dream and the goal.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Perhaps it would have been better to say "too quickly", but I agree with this sentiment.

Quickness does not equal goodness.

Good government benefits from a framework that requires proposals for change to go through a process that requires government officials and voters to think through the pros and cons that would follow.

I do not want to see laws changed based on the results of an online poll taken during halftime at the Super Bowl. 😄



Okay, that sounds a bit scary to me. Akin to the "I know better because I am me" belief behind the blatherings coming out of the mouths of Trump, RFK Jr., and other administration spokespersons (but hardly restricted to just Republicans).

People don't take the time to vote when it happens once a year, and you think people are going to bother taking some political poll during a super bowl? Come on, use some critical thinking skills.

First, any option to find out what people want would have to be done by districts and states.. with the results going to the corrisponding representative, where he would have to vote. Pretty much how it is now, as nearly all representatives have online options for their constituents to let them know what they want, of course that is if we have any knowledge of the specifics of what is in the bills. Hell, currently our representatives don't even know what the fuck is inside the bills they are voting on most of the time. But what we where talking about here, is making changes where we the people have the ability including an online option to inniate a recall of federal office holders, including the President. The only part having an online option, that could speed up would be the collecting of signatures, and just as it is now, it wouldn't be based on some magical poll during super bowl.

But how dare we use modern technology to allow the people to have more control/say over what happens in this country, in a more timely manner. Lets leave it how it is, where we have to wait for the damage to be done before we can do anything about it.

 

[NWRMidnight]

It's the lazy people lose interest axiom. An idea or goal dies because it's actual work to move it forward. Revolution from the comfort of ones sofa is the dream and the goal.

Who said anything about a revolution from the sofa? You are pulling bullshit out of your ass, while making yourself look like a complete idiot, suggesting that using modern technology (tools) to work towards a goal is being lazy. Working smarter, not harder has nothing to do with being lazy. God damn, how can you be so fucking stupid and still have enough brain power to breath?

 

[brycejones]

Who said anything about a revolution from the sofa? You are pulling bullshit out of your ass, while making yourself look like a complete idiot, suggesting that using modern technology (tools) to work towards a goal is being lazy. Working smarter, not harder has nothing to do with being lazy. God damn, how can you be so fucking stupid and still have enough brain power to breath?

Boomer construction contractor who moved to Mississippi because it’s a great place to live I think says all that needs to be said. Dude fried his brain listening to Limbaugh for hours on end at the job site clearly.

 

[Moonbeam]

Okay, that sounds a bit scary to me. Akin to the "I know better because I am me" belief behind the blatherings coming out of the mouths of Trump, RFK Jr., and other administration spokespersons (but hardly restricted to just Republicans).

I know how it sounds. I think there is knowing, having an opinion and knowing by peek experience. One kind of knowing is ego flattering. Another brings a joy to being in inner intuitive sense of rightness. They are similar in appearance but different when experienced. This difference can’t be communicated.

 

[Moonbeam]

As I read that I assumed the conclusion was going to be that it turned you into a conservative.

I believe that what you call conservative is actually not. Believing in conservative values is not enough. The manner in which they are practiced is everything. A Christian, for example practices a religion of profound spiritual value but isn’t a real Christian if his or her respect for the neighbor is affected by the color of the skin. Correct practice of conservative values is not a given. It requires the sincere intention to practice in spirit and that can’t happen without fearless introspection.

Claiming to be conservative without that is radical self justification what is often referred to as evil. It’s just the cumulative effect of force used to produce virtuous behavior in children by guilt that causes honest self awareness to feel like being shamed. To practice real conservative values requires inner intent not fear of failure.

Liberals are repelled by coercive morality, not morality itself, and reject, therefore what you wrongly believe is the good. Rejecting what is false, however, does not necessarily make them wise. That can lead them to reject important values because they only see them practiced hypocritically.

Conservative and liberal are dualities that become paradoxically identical at a higher level of understanding. My opinion.

 

[hal2kilo]

Work, or specialty cruise?

Missed the vacation part. NM

 

[feralkid]

Who said anything about a revolution from the sofa? You are pulling bullshit out of your ass, while making yourself look like a complete idiot, suggesting that using modern technology (tools) to work towards a goal is being lazy. Working smarter, not harder has nothing to do with being lazy. God damn, how can you be so fucking stupid and still have enough brain power to breath?

One's willful, the other's autonomic. which is which is antbody's guess.

 

[nOOky]

Work, or specialty cruise?

Vacation cruise. I was seated on a bus yesterday morning for a half hour with a nurse that told me to not get any shots and that there was no such thing as long covid. She had gotten exemptions to not get the flu shot as required by her employer. I didn't ask any more questions lol.

 

[hal2kilo]

Vacation cruise. I was seated on a bus yesterday morning for a half hour with a nurse that told me to not get any shots and that there was no such thing as long covid. She had gotten exemptions to not get the flu shot as required by her employer. I didn't ask any more questions lol.

Nurses can be the worst. The "I work in medicine so I know as much as doctors do" mindset.