Have You Gotten Your Covid Vaccine? Thread.

[Fenixgoon]

you could prove the earth was round and brovane would still call it flat unless you took him to space.
he's not going to give up, no matter how much data he is shown. fuck his feels. because that's the only reason he's clinging on so tightly. "this thing helps society with no downside but i need a very specific piece of evidence even though there's a mountain of other data proving it works". and once he gets a RCT study? he'd point out some flaw (real or perceived) and say it's not good enough. because it will never be good enough. because he's a disingenuous POS.

 

[Brovane]

What I'm reading here is that you masked for a while.
Followed advice and/or mandates for masking.
Then, when the CDC didn't conduct your standard of RCT on mask efficacy, you took off the mask, threw it on the ground, stomped on it, and started claiming, "MASKS DON'T WORK! THIS ONE DOCTOR PROVED IT!"

You want to ignore ALL other studies and data because they weren't RCT. You're refuting reality and common sense IMO.

No different than MAGAtards being idiotic and railing against masking and vaxxing for illogical reasons.

In 2020 I used to wear a N95 to go shopping. I had a gallon zip lock bag and I would carefully put on the mask before I got out of my car and then when I was done carefully put the mask back in the zip lock bag. When I got fully vaccinated I switched to a KN94 mask that I would just take out of my pocket. However at some point I had hoped the CDC would deliver better studies on masking comparing similar groups with or without masks, comparing different types of masks across similar groups. Apparently you think asking for a RCT showing the effectiveness of masking is illogical.

 

[Brainonska511]

In 2020 I used to wear a N95 to go shopping. I had a gallon zip lock bag and I would carefully put on the mask before I got out of my car and then when I was done carefully put the mask back in the zip lock bag. When I got fully vaccinated I switched to a KN94 mask that I would just take out of my pocket. However at some point I had hoped the CDC would deliver better studies on masking comparing similar groups with or without masks, comparing different types of masks across similar groups. Apparently you think asking for a RCT showing the effectiveness of masking is illogical.

RCTs are not the only way to generate reliable data on something like masking (given the issues of trying to use an RCT to measure the effectiveness of this particular intervention). As abj13 showed with schools and masking policies, you can collect good data using so-called real-world evidence to help inform future decision making.

Not everyone followed what you experienced with your school district. In my area there was quite a spread of approaches. But hey, shouldn't that be a great opportunity to study SARS-CoV-2 spread in schools with and without good masking policies? Turns out many others had that very idea: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 . The common theme to all of them? Masking reduced viral transmission.

And perhaps one of the best studies 11 where they studied the outcomes in over 1,000,000 US students. Same finding.

 

[Brovane]

If airline traffic dictates respiratory virus spread, influenza and metapneumovirus should have made massive reappearances in the winter of 2021. They didn't.

Not everyone followed what you experienced with your school district. In my area there was quite a spread of approaches. But hey, shouldn't that be a great opportunity to study SARS-CoV-2 spread in schools with and without good masking policies? Turns out many others had that very idea: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 . The common theme to all of them? Masking reduced viral transmission.

And perhaps one of the best studies 11 where they studied the outcomes in over 1,000,000 US students. Same finding.

Your studies seem to be looking at the 2021-2022 school year. Weren't you asking about why the flu season of 2020-21 was essentially a non-event?
Vinay Prasad cannot explain a series of simple observations. When the pandemic occurred, where did all the other respiratory viruses go in the second half of 2020 and into 2021 when most of the stay at home orders ended? Vacation?

I have a question about one of the studies you cited. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7039e1.htm?s_cid=mm7039e1_w

All the schools in the study where not open for a equal length of time. The schools with mask mandates where open for a fewer number of days than the schools without mask mandates. Some of the schools without mask mandates were open for in person learning almost twice as much time in the classroom as compared to schools with mask mandates. Wouldn't that impact the results in the study when they only looked at July-August of 2021?

What do you think is the single best study on mask wearing that shows how masks impact the spread of COVID? I would say the RCT in Bangladesh on mask wearing.

 

[Pohemi]

In 2020 I used to wear a N95 to go shopping. I had a gallon zip lock bag and I would carefully put on the mask before I got out of my car and then when I was done carefully put the mask back in the zip lock bag. When I got fully vaccinated I switched to a KN94 mask that I would just take out of my pocket. However at some point I had hoped the CDC would deliver better studies on masking comparing similar groups with or without masks, comparing different types of masks across similar groups. Apparently you think asking for a RCT showing the effectiveness of masking is illogical.

What does that have to do with what you quoted from me?

You completely missed the point, because you continue to just bash your head against the brick wall of stubbornness, trying to make your accepted testing the ONLY valid kind.

Yep, you're an idiot alright.

 

[Pohemi]

Can we maybe end this multi-page thread derail? This was worse than East Palestine FFS.

 

[eelw]

No different than MAGAtards being idiotic and railing against masking and vaxxing for illogical reasons.

I’ve been waiting for that obligatory “Look, I’m not antivax, BUT…” to his posts.

 

[MtnMan]

I saw an article regarding a group of people that live together, not that uncommon with housing costs/rent today.

Out of 4 or 5 people, only one is vaccinated. The other 4 are sick, and they place the blame on the vaccinated person that is emanating these spike virus proteins because he is vaccinated.

Cult members can twist any correlation between cause and effect into whatever bullshit is circulating between their ears.

 

[Paratus]

Completely diagree. Put two people in n95 masks, one infected and the chance of infection drops massively.

The only thing that prevented masking from being effective was the populations adherence to effectively using appropriate masks.

 

[eelw]

The only thing that prevented masking from being effective was the populations adherence to effectively using appropriate masks.

LIES!!!! Masks are designed for your chin!!!!!

 

[Pens1566]

I saw an article regarding a group of people that live together, not that uncommon with housing costs/rent today.

Out of 4 or 5 people, only one is vaccinated. The other 4 are sick, and they place the blame on the vaccinated person that is emanating these spike virus proteins because he is vaccinated.

Cult members can twist any correlation between cause and effect into whatever bullshit is circulating between their ears.

It might have been a joke/meme that I posted in HERE.

This one maybe?

 

[Muse]

After getting 2nd bivalent Moderna yesterday, I chatted up the elder probably Chinese pharmacist who administered the shot. I asked him if it was the same as the 1st bivalent Moderna booster and he said it is. He asked me to wait about "3 minutes" while he prepared to give me the shot. Afterwards he says I may be tired tomorrow, some arm soreness. I counter that I've done well on my previous shots (this was the 6th). I mention that the Moderna boosters were 1/2 original dose and he said this 1 was full dose, = 0.5ml. He explained that the Moderna bivalent is 0.25ml of the original formulation plus 0.25ml of the Omicron formulation to make up 0.5ml total. He mentions that originally the virus tended to attack the lungs but now is upper respiratory and that the drugs now make it unlikely to require hospitalization. I say "Paxlovid?," he says yes and that it reduces hospitalization ~70%.

I wonder now if those 3 minutes I waited (I couldn't see him) had him drawing from two different vials to get the mixture he explained or if it was done previously so he could fill the syringe with one draw!

 

[Pens1566]

After getting 2nd bivalent Moderna yesterday, I chatted up the elder probably Chinese pharmacist who administered the shot. I asked him if it was the same as the 1st bivalent Moderna booster and he said it is. He asked me to wait about "3 minutes" while he prepared to give me the shot. Afterwards he says I may be tired tomorrow, some arm soreness. I counter that I've done well on my previous shots (this was the 6th). I mention that the Moderna boosters were 1/2 original dose and he said this 1 was full dose, = 0.5ml. He explained that the Moderna bivalent is 0.25ml of the original formulation plus 0.25ml of the Omicron formulation to make up 0.5ml total. He mentions that originally the virus tended to attack the lungs but now is upper respiratory and that the drugs now make it unlikely to require hospitalization. I say "Paxlovid?," he says yes and that it reduces hospitalization ~70%.

I wonder now if those 3 minutes I waited (I couldn't see him) had him drawing from two different vials to get the mixture he explained or if it was done previously so he could fill the syringe with one draw!

I highly doubt he was mixing. They're (now) prepped well before administration.

 

[Oyeve]

I never went for my second booster. I should but the last 3 shot totally fubared me.

 

[Paratus]

After getting 2nd bivalent Moderna yesterday, I chatted up the elder probably Chinese pharmacist who administered the shot. I asked him if it was the same as the 1st bivalent Moderna booster and he said it is. He asked me to wait about "3 minutes" while he prepared to give me the shot. Afterwards he says I may be tired tomorrow, some arm soreness. I counter that I've done well on my previous shots (this was the 6th). I mention that the Moderna boosters were 1/2 original dose and he said this 1 was full dose, = 0.5ml. He explained that the Moderna bivalent is 0.25ml of the original formulation plus 0.25ml of the Omicron formulation to make up 0.5ml total. He mentions that originally the virus tended to attack the lungs but now is upper respiratory and that the drugs now make it unlikely to require hospitalization. I say "Paxlovid?," he says yes and that it reduces hospitalization ~70%.

I wonder now if those 3 minutes I waited (I couldn't see him) had him drawing from two different vials to get the mixture he explained or if it was done previously so he could fill the syringe with one draw!

I used paxlovid (& a steroid) last month when I finally caught the damn thing (was fully vaxxed including the first bivalent dose). I didn’t enjoy it but I also didn’t end up in the hospital.

It did stop most of my symptoms (nasty sinus congestion and the beginnings of a bad cough), but I still felt completely wiped out and it took a week before my sense of smell started coming back. It’s about 95% back a month later.

After coming off the paxlovid I spent the next 3-4 days with horrible acid indigestion and gastrointestinal issues. Whether that was a reaction to the Paxlovid, rebound COVID gut issues, or I ate something spoiled because I couldn’t taste anything and had food poising I don’t know. After 9-10 days from first symptoms and 4 days after the last of the paxlovid I finally started to feel better.

While on the paxlovid I also had a nasty musty smell in my nose and weird mouth feel which is a known side effect.

Finally the last weird thing was after I started feeling better I broke out with acne like I was 17 again. It’s just finally subsiding.

 

[Moonbeam]

I used paxlovid (& a steroid) last month when I finally caught the damn thing (was fully vaxxed including the first bivalent dose). I didn’t enjoy it but I also didn’t end up in the hospital.

It did stop most of my symptoms (nasty sinus congestion and the beginnings of a bad cough), but I still felt completely wiped out and it took a week before my sense of smell started coming back. It’s about 95% back a month later.

After coming off the paxlovid I spent the next 3-4 days with horrible acid indigestion and gastrointestinal issues. Whether that was a reaction to the Paxlovid, rebound COVID gut issues, or I ate something spoiled because I couldn’t taste anything and had food poising I don’t know. After 9-10 days from first symptoms and 4 days after the last of the paxlovid I finally started to feel better.

While on the paxlovid I also had a nasty musty smell in my nose and weird mouth feel which is a known side effect.

Finally the last weird thing was after I started feeling better I broke out with acne like I was 17 again. It’s just finally subsiding.

Any idea how you caught it, and sorry to hear you did.

 

[Paratus]

Any idea how you caught it, and sorry to hear you did.

We were traveling to Spain and Germany to visit our former exchange students and probably caught it on one of the many planes we flew on. We were also (stupidly) a lot laxer with masking on this trip.

By the end of the trip we were pretty run down because British Airways fucked up pretty much every leg of our trip. (We had tried to fly to Europe on BA back in 2020 which for obvious reasons was cancelled and we had until this summer to use our credit or lose it.)

Anyway the wife started to feel like she had a mild cold on the flight back. I started to feel it the following day. She mostly had mild symptoms except for the loss of smell which is almost back now.

 

[Moonbeam]

We were traveling to Spain and Germany to visit our former exchange students and probably caught it on one of the many planes we flew on. We were also (stupidly) a lot laxer with masking on this trip.

By the end of the trip we were pretty run down because British Airways fucked up pretty much every leg of our trip. (We had tried to fly to Europe on BA back in 2020 which for obvious reasons was cancelled and we had until this summer to use our credit or lose it.)

Anyway the wife started to feel like she had a mild cold on the flight back. I started to feel it the following day. She mostly had mild symptoms except for the loss of smell which is almost back now.

Thanks. I hope all recover well. I still have not got it unless I was an early victim. I was sick with a vicious cough for months in feb 2019. Never tested for antibodies and have hence had shots. I live near the sf airport in a city with lost of Asians and was caring for elementary school kids who were always catching something.

 

[eelw]

I still have not got it unless I was an early victim. I was sick with a vicious cough for months in feb 2019. Never tested for antibodies and have hence had shots.

Antibody levels would have been undetectable by the time we had tests if there were infections in 2019.

 

[Muse]

I never went for my second booster. I should but the last 3 shot totally fubared me.

Well, FYI, the pharmacist who administered my 2nd bivalent booster yesterday told me the progression is that each successive covid-19 vaccination has less than the ones before. So, I think you might want to reconsider not getting any more. You could also look for advice on what you might be able to do to lessen the side effects. Either online or from a doctor, or both.

 

[Muse]

I used paxlovid (& a steroid) last month when I finally caught the damn thing (was fully vaxxed including the first bivalent dose). I didn’t enjoy it but I also didn’t end up in the hospital.

It did stop most of my symptoms (nasty sinus congestion and the beginnings of a bad cough), but I still felt completely wiped out and it took a week before my sense of smell started coming back. It’s about 95% back a month later.

After coming off the paxlovid I spent the next 3-4 days with horrible acid indigestion and gastrointestinal issues. Whether that was a reaction to the Paxlovid, rebound COVID gut issues, or I ate something spoiled because I couldn’t taste anything and had food poising I don’t know. After 9-10 days from first symptoms and 4 days after the last of the paxlovid I finally started to feel better.

While on the paxlovid I also had a nasty musty smell in my nose and weird mouth feel which is a known side effect.

Finally the last weird thing was after I started feeling better I broke out with acne like I was 17 again. It’s just finally subsiding.

Good lord! I'm booked to fly 500 miles to see my family at a big family affair weekend of May 13-14, got my 2nd bivalent yesterday. My reaction to the shot has been nearly absent. Maybe a tiny bit of soreness in the arm, a little more tired than usual in the morning but a couple hours later, nothing noticeable. I have IMO terrific 3M N95 masks to burn. I take them with me everywhere and indoors with others I wear one. I don't know how I am going to behave in Southern California in mid-May. I sure don't want to experience anything like you describe! I'm not even sure I want to go now! I haven't seen my family except for my sister and a cousin a time or two since just before the pandemic lockdowns started. TBH I don't miss them that much, but those "reunions" are positive events for me. Maybe they will do stuff outdoors.

 

[dlerious]

Just came across this report

Sen. Marshall Releases Bombshell COVID-19 Origins Report - Senator Roger Marshall

(Washington, D.C., April 17, 2023) – U.S. Senator Roger Marshall, M.D, the Ranking Member of the Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security on the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), released the new bombshell COVID-19 Origins report that has been...

www.marshall.senate.gov

 

[Muse]

Just came across this report

Sen. Marshall Releases Bombshell COVID-19 Origins Report - Senator Roger Marshall

(Washington, D.C., April 17, 2023) – U.S. Senator Roger Marshall, M.D, the Ranking Member of the Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security on the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), released the new bombshell COVID-19 Origins report that has been...

www.marshall.senate.gov

OMG,

“This report is a crucial development in getting to the bottom of COVID-19’s true origins and exposing the deception of those that sought to conceal how this pandemic started,” Senator Marshall said. “A preponderance of evidence in this report suggests there were two separate unintentional lab leaks dating back to fall of 2019 in Wuhan, China with significant evidence supporting that COVID-19 was a lab-created and altered virus.”

“We have to understand what happened in order to make sure this never happens again,” Senator Marshall said. “China has had every opportunity to disprove all of the reports surrounding the origins of Covid-19, but they have not and will not.”

I saw information online early on in the pandemic that convinced me that the Covid-19 pandemic DID originate from the Wuhan lab leaking it. It was rather detailed and explained by a guy who was there, knowledgeable and had investigated the events, including Wuhan lab staff getting mysteriously very ill. The head of the program involving researching bat viruses disappeared and the record of her very existence was wiped out by the Chinese near the beginning of the pandemic. The clear implication is that she contracted and died of Covid-19, and we all know that the Chinese doctor who tried to blow the whistle on the virus and expose the CCP's efforts to hide what was going on definitely did die from the virus.

 

[Paratus]

Thanks. I hope all recover well. I still have not got it unless I was an early victim. I was sick with a vicious cough for months in feb 2019. Never tested for antibodies and have hence had shots. I live near the sf airport in a city with lost of Asians and was caring for elementary school kids who were always catching something.

No problem. We can’t complain to much as we got off pretty lightly compared to others

It’s possible it or something similar was floating around then. I remember having a nasty 3 week chest cold during 2019 as well.

 

[Muse]

No problem. We can’t complain to much as we got off pretty lightly compared to others

It’s possible it or something similar was floating around then. I remember having a nasty 3 week chest cold during 2019 as well.

I haven't been sick since Nov. 2019, but what I caught then struck me as a particularly nasty upper respiratory affair that lasted longer than most. Could it have been Covid-19? I have wondered that. I live in an area that gets a LOT of visitors from overseas, SF Bay Area. People come from China, from everywhere.