Have you forgotten?

[raildogg]

People could give a **** about 9/11. All they care is how to make Bush look worse. To them, 9/11 is not a big thing. Many even consider the 19 hijackers to be heroes, although a few will admit it publicly. Why are you talking about Iraq in a thread about 9/11?

These people will never wake up. Thats a good thing. I hope they continute to sleep and never win any elections.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

If you are going to fight a war against terrorism why would you want to help the terrorist recruit by invading Iraq who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks?

I don't know where you get your information, but that country has a very large finger print on all of this. No, Red, you did not just say that did you? That place has been the yolk of terrorism for many years. Do you deny that?

what country are you talking about? Do you even know?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
YES! The reason... If america knew OBL was dead, they would let their guard down. That is not what this country needs to do. OBL, dead or alive, is not the end of terrorism. There are many more than him that need to be brought down and brought to justice.

:thumbsup:

i thinks its interesting that you approve of the president lying to the people how voted him into office.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Actually now that the Dub screwed the Pooch by invading Iraq I doubt we will ever let our guard down.

Which pooch, his own, or clintons? LOL Hell, he might have had both of them. (anyone else tired of perverted, sexual deviants, as presidents?)

how is recieving a blowjob perverted or deviant? Its not like he had sex with a cat.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't know where you're getting your ideas from but they aren't from anything you've read here. Have you considered they might be a product of your confusion?

Nah, you and your buddy Dave have been spewing venom for months now about how terrorism isn't a real threat and is just a ploy of the Bush adminstration. Don't worry, I wouldn't expect a little troll to recall his own words.

In fact, most of the little circle is more concerned with avian flu than terrorism.

avian flu has much more potential to be a threat than terrorism. Terrorism is a very minor concern, or at least should be.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't know where you're getting your ideas from but they aren't from anything you've read here. Have you considered they might be a product of your confusion?

Nah, you and your buddy Dave have been spewing venom for months now about how terrorism isn't a real threat and is just a ploy of the Bush adminstration. Don't worry, I wouldn't expect a little troll to recall his own words.

In fact, most of the little circle is more concerned with avian flu than terrorism.

Show me where I said terrorism isn't a reat threat or STFU.

he is confusing you with me i think.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

No I don't. I also don't support pulling out of Iraq now.

But your posts seem to suggest that this war was so wrong. I don't understand. Your barking up the trees of both bushes, but yet, now that WE as a country are engaged, you say you don't support pulling out of Iraq now.

That's the circle for ya. They're very much like John Kerry. Whichever way the wind blows (or the polls show)

elected officials are supposed to follow the will of the peple, which would be best shown by polls. I find it to be perfectly acceptable.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: raildogg
People could give a **** about 9/11. All they care is how to make Bush look worse. To them, 9/11 is not a big thing. Many even consider the 19 hijackers to be heroes, although a few will admit it publicly. Why are you talking about Iraq in a thread about 9/11?

These people will never wake up. Thats a good thing. I hope they continute to sleep and never win any elections.

Couldn't have said it any better than that. :thumbsup:

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Has the Lyricist forgotten that Iraq had nothing to do with it/wrong forum?

Did you foget that Bush declaired WAR on TERRORISM not Bin Ladin?

If you are going to fight a war against terrorism why would you want to help the terrorist recruit by invading Iraq who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks?

I'd rather have the professionals do it on foreign soil than have you and me do it here at home.

Those that are being recruited in Syria and Saudi Arabia to fight Americans in Iraq more than likely would have been recruited to fight Americans here at home. Those 19 hijackers are labeled as heros in those countries and many people were hoping to follow in their footsteps.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Yzzim
Those that are being recruited in Syria and Saudi Arabia to fight Americans in Iraq more than likely would have been recruited to fight Americans here at home. Those 19 hijackers are labeled as heros in those countries and many people were hoping to follow in their footsteps.

NO! NO! And don't you know terrorism didn't even exist before we went in to Iraq?!?!

Those hijackers are labeled "heroes" to more than just foreigners. Sad, isn't it?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Has the Lyricist forgotten that Iraq had nothing to do with it/wrong forum?

Did you foget that Bush declaired WAR on TERRORISM not Bin Ladin?

If you are going to fight a war against terrorism why would you want to help the terrorist recruit by invading Iraq who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks?

I'd rather have the professionals do it on foreign soil than have you and me do it here at home.

Those that are being recruited in Syria and Saudi Arabia to fight Americans in Iraq more than likely would have been recruited to fight Americans here at home. Those 19 hijackers are labeled as heros in those countries and many people were hoping to follow in their footsteps.

i'm not sure if you are more gullible or niave.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
There's a new documentary going around the 'net.

Part 1

Part 2

About an hour long in total. Quite interesting.

holy crap

I'd like to take this vid with a grain of salt. Can anyone refute this?

 

[Polish3d]

Take anything with a grain of salt until you investigate it.

In the fog of a crisis there will always be conflicting information, and if you set out to pick out pieces of information in order to make a certain point, you can.

In other words you can find a conspiracy in just about anything, it doesn't mean the video isn't true, but these guys make continued assertions about how things "Would be" which is absurd, as they have no such knowledge.

I'm going to watch it all the way through though, but keep in mind a few things:


1. Never take the word of the authors of this video. They are only presenting one point of view, which makes it suspect from the beginning. The facts they recite also may or may no be accurate.

2. There will always be discrepancies, in any event, anywhere, period. There are people who will tell you 10 different versions of the Kennedy assassination all with strong evidence, similar to how this video is made. It doesn't mean each one is correct.

3. Watch the video with an open mind, as anything is possible, just realize that they are starting off to prove a conspiracy, and are only presenting one point of view, with their opinion of what "should have happened" which is moronic as know one can know that, and shows a fallacy of thinking on their part.

 

[Polish3d]

Further note after watching more,


This video is stupid in the way that they claim that "this should have happened" or "the plane would only crash this way and the debris would be here and here and here."


They are making claims that are not knowable, and it makes their case really weak, and IMO shows extremely poor thinking and a degree of arrogance on their part.

Look at this idiocy:


"Boeing refuses to give out info on construction of their aircraft due to the attacks of September 11th."


They imply that its because they are hiding something that shows that the plane never crashed into the Pentagon.

The reason Boeing won't give out info on construction of their airplanes is probably because it could be helpful to people planning to hijack them and otherwise use them as weapons..... what morons who made this.

I'm so tired of these half assed poorly thought out conspiracy videos that complain about evidence that doesn't add up when the videos themselves are composed with vague and flimsy arguments and evidence.


Maybe hitting a lightpole causes it to spin around or bounce, or maybe the reason its not pointed the way they say it should be is because it rolled a bit after getting knocked off. I mean give me a break.



I'll finish watching it though.

 

[dahunan]

I haven't watched it yet.. but these should be direct links that you can right click and download

1

2

 

[Rainsford]

Nope, I remember exactly how I felt. I wanted to bring the people who were behind it to JUSTICE, and stop something like it from ever happening again. A lot of uber-patriotic noise and a host of poor decisions later, and we're well on our way to accomplishing neither of those things. I see the video of the plane crashing into the second tower, and I feel the same way all over again, only now my anger is also directed at people like the OP, and Pabster, and raildogg, and all the rest who think waving the flag and calling everyone who disagrees with them a traitor is the proper way to "remember 9/11". You people are making America less safe, and you are dishonoring the memory of the 9/11 victims.

Of course it helps to think about how you people will be remembered in the history books, it's only too bad high school history textbooks won't use the phrase "ass weasel".

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Further note after watching more,


This video is stupid in the way that they claim that "this should have happened" or "the plane would only crash this way and the debris would be here and here and here."


They are making claims that are not knowable, and it makes their case really weak, and IMO shows extremely poor thinking and a degree of arrogance on their part.

Look at this idiocy:


"Boeing refuses to give out info on construction of their aircraft due to the attacks of September 11th."


They imply that its because they are hiding something that shows that the plane never crashed into the Pentagon.

The reason Boeing won't give out info on construction of their airplanes is because it could be helpful to people planning to hijack them and otherwise use them as weapons..... what morons who made this.

I'm so tired of these half assed poorly thought out conspiracy videos that complain about evidence that doesn't add up when the videos themselves are composed with vague and flimsy arguments and evidence.


Maybe hitting a lightpole causes it to spin around or bounce, or maybe the reason its not pointed the way they say it should be is because it rolled a bit after getting knocked off. I mean give me a break.



I'll finish watching it though.

I agree, most of those conspiracy theories about 9/11 involve some stupid assumptions that have often been widely discredited by experts. It seems like it was nothing more than what it appeared, a tragic terrorist attack.

 

[MicroChrome]

No I haven't forgotten that 7/11 gives out free slurpies on 7/11...

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
No I haven't forgotten that 7/11 gives out free slurpies on 7/11...

Is there a limit?

 

[Polish3d]

Agreed.

The idea that this guy knows all about what "should" happen is embarassingly dumb.

 

[raildogg]

Those were well-crafted videos.

I have a few questions of my own. If there were a total of 19 hijackers and a plane did not crash into the Pentagon, then what happened to those 4 or 5 hijackers? Also, many people saw a large plane crash into the Pentagon, are they simply mistaken?

The World Trade Center were constructed differently than most, if not all buildings. They were revolutionary.

The documentary talks about fires raging in buildings for hours and they don't fall down. However, these weren't just fires.

Two 767s crashed into them flying at very high speed. Tell me, which building can withstand a 767 filled to capacity with fuel and stand there for an hour?

The massive impact literally shook the buildings off their foundation. The buildings were moved a few inches due to the impact. The survivors tell how the buildings shook as the planes hit them.

No, these were not simply fires. They were caused by two large commercial jets filled to capacity with fuel. It is amazing the Twin Towers stood there instead of completely falling apart due to the impact.

The world trade center pancacked on top of each other because of the design. One floor fell on top of the other and other.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Those were well-crafted videos.

I have a few questions of my own. If there were a total of 19 hijackers and a place did not crash into the Pentagon, then what happened to those 4 or 5 hijackers? Also, many people saw a large plane crash into the Pentagon, are they simply misguided?

The World Trade Center were constructed differently than most, if not all buildings. They were revolutionary.

The documentary talks about fires raging in buildings for hours and they don't fall down. However, these weren't just fires.

Two 767s crashed into them flying at very high speed. Tell me, which building can withstand a 767 filled to capacity with fuel and stand there for an hour?

The massive impact literally shook the buildings off their foundation. The buildings were moved a few inches due to the impact. The survivors tell how the buildings shook as the planes hit them.

No, these were not simply fires. They were caused by two large commercial jets filled to capacity with fuel. It is amazing the Twin Towers stood there instead of completely falling apart due to the impact.

The world trade center pancacked on top of each other because of the design. One floor fell on top of the other and other.

I think most building experts have suggested what happened is perfectly reasonable and in no way suspicious. Of course that doesn't mean some random dumbass won't get up and make noise about his theory...but he's not a building expert, the fact that these things don't make sense to HIM should come as no surprise

 

[Polish3d]

Well I finished watching it. I'm just really surprised anyone would take that seriously.

I'd be curious to hear from those who actually support this video why they think it's worthwhile lol.

I like the part where the buildings are collapsing, and the compressed air is blowing out ahead of the collapse and he claims its an explosion lol... or where Rumsfeld said supposedly

"Used the plane and the missle to hit the pentagon."

when I suspect he said

"Used the plane AS A misssle to hit the pentagon."

 

[Pabster]

Nothing new. There's all kinds of these radical left-wing "documentaries" floating around out there with wild conspiracy theories. And then you've got the real live talking heads ala Louis Farrakhan. A sad state of affairs, indeed.

 

[judasmachine]

i think no one has forgotten, i think it's been exploited into nothingness by a sensational nation of morons.