Have you ever switched positions on an issue?

[dpodblood]

When I was young and religious I thought it was wrong for 2 people to live together and have sex before Marriage. Now I think you would be insane to get married without doing so long before hand.

 

[Atreus21]

I probably should have said 'there is nothing to be defensive about' To defend and to be defensive can be two different things. Jesus died to defend us from our belief in our own sinfulness, no?

He died to pay for our sins, yes, but I don't think that involves us not believing we are sinful. Jesus' sacrifice didn't make us perfect, just forgiven.

 

[DesiPower]

He died to pay for our sins, yes, but I don't think that involves us not believing we are sinful. Jesus' sacrifice didn't make us perfect, just forgiven.

 

[Atreus21]

Especially when it involves me getting off topic in my own thread. My bad.

 

[MJinZ]

I considered myself a socialist throughout late high school and early college, I am now a paleocon (as far as political parties go, conservative Democrat). Drastic change on many issues, I know, but it shifted over several years for a variety of reasons (observations from history and current events, influence from books I have read, shift towards realism, etc.).

Still a few lingering biases for COOPs and ESOPs from those days.

Basically, it boils down to fear of concentration of power and I now have less faith in the government than for-profit corporations.

The problem with government is ineptness and general apathy - a representative of its people for it draws not only on the people to govern, but also to be governed.

The problem with corporations is that they are just like little countries within themselves, except they are out to benefit those of importance, status, money, and management, at often the very cost of the people who they employ (environment, ethics, economy, etc) and holds within its principles the antithesis of what humans should be (competitive, ruthless, greedy) while benefiting extraordinarily through the diffusion of responsibility (and thus increases risky behaviors) while it concentrates its profitability.

There really is no comparison.

 

[bfdd]

Sure I have.

 

[PricklyPete]

I change my mind on things daily. Not things that I have spent a lot of time thinking about...but there are a lot of things I don't have strong opinions on and I am happy to hear others opinions/reasoning and change my mind as my knowledge on the subject is enriched. Happens all the time at work.

 

[Moonbeam]

He died to pay for our sins, yes, but I don't think that involves us not believing we are sinful. Jesus' sacrifice didn't make us perfect, just forgiven.

You can't believe you are sinful if you really believe you're forgiven. There isn't any need for forgiveness if you aren't fixated on self blame. You are perfect if you feel forgiven because nobody sins who doesn't feel he's evil.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I'm recently more on the fence regarding drug legalization. Friedman has convinced me that more harm is done than good by the prohibition of drugs. All of them. So I'm very near to supporting the legalization of not only marijuana, but other drugs too.

What about you?

Also, I'd like to ask a similar question for those of us over 20 or so. What issues do you hold as or more fervently now than you did when you were younger?

I'm 29, and my childhood-seated opposition to abortion has only come more clearly into focus since my siblings started having children, and even more so now that I had my first child this May.

Allow the marijuana and hasj. Allow mushrooms if people need that hallucination experience so desperately. Keep the alcohol. Throw higher sentences on for all other forms of drugs. Only because of the legalization of marijuana and hasj , a lot of alcohol related problems will be instantly gone. But more laws will be needed. Arriving stoned or drunk at work is going home without pay. That sort of stuff. Instantly almost all police officers can be used as large groups to track down real crimes. Jails will be a lot emptier and will be filled with real criminals.

 

[ShawnD1]

I've changed on lots of ideas

abortion:
I was somewhat against abortion because I went to a catholic school and we learned that even unborn humans are special in some way. I changed my position to pro-abortion when I got a bit older and saw how bad some families were affected by accidental children. Single mothers being forced into poverty because day care is as expensive as rent, children being treated badly by asshole parents, kids turning into criminals because their parents were never around, etc. We all agree that these are real problems, but we have different ideas on how to make the situation better. I think abortion is one of those ways.

gays:
This has absolutely nothing to do with going to catholic school, but at one time I really did not like gay people. They're different from me, they're weird, and I didn't like that. I got older and saw that they're just like the rest of us except they love cock. Now I'm pro-gay because they don't really bother me anymore and gays don't have accidental babies that are born with fetal alcohol syndrome.

socialism:
In my younger days, I was extremely against socialism. I thought that people should do things themselves and should not require government handouts. Then I grew up and realized people are too fucking retarded to do things themselves and they need the government to basically force them at gunpoint to do the right thing. If some white trash piece of shit has $5,000 in cash, he'll spend it on drugs and booze instead of sending his kid to grade 2 (it really is that expensive). With socialism, we forcefully take that money away from people and spent it on their kids. This works with medical care as well. Do you know any Americans who save up hundreds of thousands of dollars just in case they get cancer? You probably don't. Most people do not plan for things that far in advance. In my country with socialized medicine, the government forces people to pay for medical expenses. This isn't like a US hospital where you can waste the ER doctor's time then not pay for any of it; anyone who has a job in Canada is paying for it through taxes and there's no way to skip out on the bill.

 

[MJinZ]

I've changed on lots of ideas

abortion:
I was somewhat against abortion because I went to a catholic school and we learned that even unborn humans are special in some way. I changed my position to pro-abortion when I got a bit older and saw how bad some families were affected by accidental children. Single mothers being forced into poverty because day care is as expensive as rent, children being treated badly by asshole parents, kids turning into criminals because their parents were never around, etc. We all agree that these are real problems, but we have different ideas on how to make the situation better. I think abortion is one of those ways.

gays:
This has absolutely nothing to do with going to catholic school, but at one time I really did not like gay people. They're different from me, they're weird, and I didn't like that. I got older and saw that they're just like the rest of us except they love cock. Now I'm pro-gay because they don't really bother me anymore and gays don't have accidental babies that are born with fetal alcohol syndrome.

socialism:
In my younger days, I was extremely against socialism. I thought that people should do things themselves and should not require government handouts. Then I grew up and realized people are too fucking retarded to do things themselves and they need the government to basically force them at gunpoint to do the right thing. If some white trash piece of shit has $5,000 in cash, he'll spend it on drugs and booze instead of sending his kid to grade 2 (it really is that expensive). With socialism, we forcefully take that money away from people and spent it on their kids. This works with medical care as well. Do you know any Americans who save up hundreds of thousands of dollars just in case they get cancer? You probably don't. Most people do not plan for things that far in advance. In my country with socialized medicine, the government forces people to pay for medical expenses. This isn't like a US hospital where you can waste the ER doctor's time then not pay for any of it; anyone who has a job in Canada is paying for it through taxes and there's no way to skip out on the bill.

Anti-Abortion makes no sense unless you consider sperm to be pre-babies too. Oh and what do people do with their sperm hmmm lol.

Gay - people only see the visible gays, which are a minority. So they really aren't any different. It's like being against all straights because of the visible child molesters or the visible sex offenders.

Socialism - It just feels more right to as a society, have stance of caring for others and not just one's self. I never really consider the stupid people aspect.

 

[cganesh75]

I used to believe that racism was dead in this country.. not anymore

 

[MJinZ]

I used to believe that racism was dead in this country.. not anymore

People will always have a preference for lemons or limes.

Everyone will always be racist - it's just the perception of racism itself and the aspects of it change.

 

[sactoking]

I used to be hopefully optimistic that Obama could be a good leader and unify the country. Now I realize that he's as partisan and dangerous as every other politician.

 

[xj0hnx]

Anti-Abortion makes no sense unless you consider sperm to be pre-babies too. Oh and what do people do with their sperm hmmm lol.

A fetus isn't just a sperm, or just an egg, every poster here was a "clump of cells". Used to be rabidly pro-choice, now I am still borderline, but only if the mothers life is in danger, or in the case of rape, or incest, other than that I believe in personal responsibility, if you can't take care of a child keep your legs closed, or your dick in your pants, if you can't than accept the responsibility of your irresponsibility.

 

[DesiPower]

A fetus isn't just a sperm, or just an egg, every poster here was a "clump of cells". Used to be rabidly pro-choice, now I am still borderline, but only if the mothers life is in danger, or in the case of rape, or incest, other than that I believe in personal responsibility, if you can't take care of a child keep your legs closed, or your dick in your pants, if you can't than accept the responsibility of your irresponsibility.

You realize you are not punishing to forcing the mother/father alone right? you are also forcing the baby to live with a poor and single parent who will reluctantly raise him/her just coz she/he does not have a choice. Do you really think its a good idea to bring such a child into this world? specially when ending the life of that fetus is not exactly same as ending life of a human.

 

[xj0hnx]

You realize you are not punishing to forcing the mother/father alone right? you are also forcing the baby to live with a poor and single parent who will reluctantly raise him/her just coz she/he does not have a choice. Do you really think its a good idea to bring such a child into this world? specially when ending the life of that fetus is not exactly same as ending life of a human.

No, I don't think it's a good idea at all, which is why I said ..."if you can't take care of a child keep your legs closed, or your dick in your pants, if you can't than accept the responsibility of your irresponsibility."

 

[MJinZ]

A fetus isn't just a sperm, or just an egg, every poster here was a "clump of cells". Used to be rabidly pro-choice, now I am still borderline, but only if the mothers life is in danger, or in the case of rape, or incest, other than that I believe in personal responsibility, if you can't take care of a child keep your legs closed, or your dick in your pants, if you can't than accept the responsibility of your irresponsibility.

Look at these cute little babies -

People who have sex without making a baby mass genociders!!!!

 

[her209]

No, I don't think it's a good idea at all, which is why I said ..."if you can't take care of a child keep your legs closed, or your dick in your pants, if you can't than accept the responsibility of your irresponsibility."

Ok, they didn't. Now what?

 

[Brigandier]

I have never changed my mind on any issue ever. My opinions flow from God and cannot be incorrect.

 

[QuantumPion]

You realize you are not punishing to forcing the mother/father alone right? you are also forcing the baby to live with a poor and single parent who will reluctantly raise him/her just coz she/he does not have a choice. Do you really think its a good idea to bring such a child into this world? specially when ending the life of that fetus is not exactly same as ending life of a human.

Why not let the child decide if he wants to live or not. What gives you the right to judge whose life is worth living and whose isn't?

 

[Brigandier]

Why not let the child decide if he wants to live or not. What gives you the right to judge whose life is worth living and whose isn't?

This is a good idea, ask the fetus if it wants to be aborted. Silence is taken as tacit approval.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ok, they didn't. Now what?

The government gives them their block of cheese, and a check at the expense of those than did? Great plan, that will definitely build prosperity. The more we subsidize irresponsibility, the more irresponsibility we get.

 

[xj0hnx]

Look at these cute little babies -

People who have sex without making a baby mass genociders!!!!

Have you just not got to Jr. High sex education classes yet, or are you being stupid on purpose?

 

[her209]

The government gives them their block of cheese, and a check at the expense of those than did? Great plan, that will definitely build prosperity. The more we subsidize irresponsibility, the more irresponsibility we get.

What's the alternative? Just let 'em starve? Also, you're drawing a false conclusion that people on welfare didn't get an abortion because the government will give them free shit.