Have you been screwed or helped by the police?

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Say you are the guy in the description. Say you have a pistol on you.

While the cop waits for more information and lets you just stand around, you could've already killed him.

Hey all I wanted was an apology. Seems to me many of them hate to apologize because it would mean they made a mistake.

It means admitting blame and in this litigious society that can be a bad thing.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

 

[bunker]

'bout 12 years ago got pulled over and blew a .12 in the breathalyzer. Cop parked my truck and drove me home. I'd say I got helped

 

[bandana163]

Neither, but one of my relatives is a cop (a major, I guess).
Luckily, I didn't need the police's help so far.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

Is there a policy that says it's okay to be rude about the whole thing by not apologizing when making mistakes like this?

 

[gopunk]

helped

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

Is there a policy that says it's okay to be rude about the whole thing by not apologizing when making mistakes like this?

No, but how is it our place to be expected to apologize? Dispatch gives us info, we follow procedure. I wouldn't apologize. I'd say something along the lines of "have a better one" or something like that, but I won't say I'm sorry for doing my job.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

Is there a policy that says it's okay to be rude about the whole thing by not apologizing when making mistakes like this?

No, but how is it our place to be expected to apologize? Dispatch gives us info, we follow procedure. I wouldn't apologize. I'd say something along the lines of "have a better one" or something like that, but I won't say I'm sorry for doing my job.

You could say sorry for the inconvienince, or sorry for the mistaken identity I was just doing my job and trying to protect myself. I understand the reason this was done, to protect the officer. But it makes a fool out of the person being detained, and its not like they could help their name was the same etc..... Its little things like this that make some people not like police officers.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

Is there a policy that says it's okay to be rude about the whole thing by not apologizing when making mistakes like this?

No, but how is it our place to be expected to apologize? Dispatch gives us info, we follow procedure. I wouldn't apologize. I'd say something along the lines of "have a better one" or something like that, but I won't say I'm sorry for doing my job.

It's exactly this kind of attitude that leads people to believe that most cops are assholes. How hard would it be to direct a little bit of common courtesy towards the guy that you just humiliated?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

Is there a policy that says it's okay to be rude about the whole thing by not apologizing when making mistakes like this?

No, but how is it our place to be expected to apologize? Dispatch gives us info, we follow procedure. I wouldn't apologize. I'd say something along the lines of "have a better one" or something like that, but I won't say I'm sorry for doing my job.

It's exactly this kind of attitude that leads people to believe that most cops are assholes. How hard would it be to direct a little bit of common courtesy towards the guy that you just humiliated?

Agreed. Just because you're doing your job doesn't mean the guy you just put through all of that appreciates it. How often do you get someone who goes "That's okay, I understand that it's a case of mistaken identity. Nevermind that I've been interrupted, inconvenienced, humiliated, irritated, hauled downtown for ID verification, finger printed, pictured, locked up in a jail cell (even if it is only for less than 24 hours), blah blah blah. That's okay! You're just doing your job, right?"

:roll:

Does it hurt to say "I'm sorry, we've made a mistake. Have a nice day"?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I was carded for ID and proper hunting license during a hunting trip awhile back. So he calls in and the dispatcher returns with a record of a person with the exact same name as mine and warrant for his arrest. Without checking further if the age and physical features are the same he immediately assumed I was him and ordered me to step away from my brother and turn around so he can pat me down. I was like WTF? He pat me down while holding my thumbs together ready to break them if I make a move.

Then he decides to call in and verify more information and finds out that the other guy's birthday and height is totally different. He lets us go but not a word of appology. He could of further verified my information before hand and avoided treating me like a criminal.

Officer safety takes precedence over politeness. If dispatch comes back saying there may be a warrant, we generally cuff the person immediately and verify by SSN. We can pat down pretty much anyone we see--it's called a Terry Frisk.

We're not in the business of being nice when something like this happens. If we don't restrain the person while verifying info it gives them more time to decide to be belligerent, try to escape, etc.

If I haven't done anything wrong, I don't see a police officer as a police officer. I see him as some guy trying to handcuff me, for unknown reasons. He'd better explain what he's trying to do, and why, or by God I'm going to jail.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: SouthPaW1227
Hey Nik, doing their job by enforcing the law is a waste of "Duty".

It really is.

Fixed for what you're really saying. It's not a waste. If only major crimes were enforced, the frequency minor ones would SKYROCKET. Then, having learned that it's okay to speed 10 over the limit, folks would accept that as the standard and start pushing the envelope even more. Soon you have folks going 20 over the limit. Then 30. Where does it stop? When do YOU say that speeding should begin to be enforced?

 

[jabamayne]

I have been tasered by a cop and I didn't even do anything wrong (in my opinion)...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jabamayne
I have been tasered by a cop and I didn't even do anything wrong (in my opinion)...

What were you doing that warranted the officer to use the taser? *gasp* are you black?!

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
I once screwed a stripper that was dressed like a female cop.. does that count?

LOL

 

[PlasticJesus]

Helped.

Drove an eighteen wheeled truck for a couple of years. Got a load assignment to pick up a load on Vincennes St in Holland IL. Punch that in my laptop and there was no Holland IL. Another part of assignment says drop off pallets in Chicago, so I decide that maybe I'm supposed to go to the Vincennes St in Chicago to pick up load. Huge mistake. Get lost and end up at corner of Hyde Park Blvd and Lake Park Ave. At about 1 mile per hour tried to go under that overpass there (think it's for a railroad). It's not high enough. I'm stuck there. Jump out, run to back of truck and I'm blocking this busy intersection at about 7 pm on a Friday. Run back to front to get cell phone to call the police and by the time I get there I see the flashing blue lights in my side mirror. Run back and policeman hollers "Where are you trying to go?". Talk to him for a minute and he figures out that I was supposed to go to South Holland and this guy knows exactly where the place is that I'm supposed to go. He stopped traffic and backed me up and stopped traffic so I could make a turn and they led me back to I-90. Very friendly and helpful. First policeman I ever saw with an ear-ring.

Have never had bad time with police or State Troopers. Have gotten a couple of huge breaks, actually. A couple of the State Trooper breaks were in California, of all places. That's life for those of us who know how to treat people.

 

[Landroval]

In personal encounters, screwed. But I assume there are some non-corrupt ones that are out there doing their jobs and making our lives better ven if we can't see it.

edit:
typo

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: ggnl
It's exactly this kind of attitude that leads people to believe that most cops are assholes. How hard would it be to direct a little bit of common courtesy towards the guy that you just humiliated?

Read below.

Originally posted by: Nik
Agreed. Just because you're doing your job doesn't mean the guy you just put through all of that appreciates it. How often do you get someone who goes "That's okay, I understand that it's a case of mistaken identity. Nevermind that I've been interrupted, inconvenienced, humiliated, irritated, hauled downtown for ID verification, finger printed, pictured, locked up in a jail cell (even if it is only for less than 24 hours), blah blah blah. That's okay! You're just doing your job, right?"

:roll:

Does it hurt to say "I'm sorry, we've made a mistake. Have a nice day"?

We don't haul people anywhere for ID verification, nor do we fingerprint them or lock them up in a situation like that. We call in their SSN after a patdown and handcuffing and that's it. If the SSN matches, they're arrested. That said, I've never, EVER had a situation of a non-matching SSN, so there's no "humiliation" for someone who wasn't going to jail.

And *we* aren't the ones making the mistake. The mistake is either through dispatch, or for those responsible for entering/clearing warrants through the system.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Both.

However, they tend to prove to be bigger a$$holes than helpers, most of the time. I do hang out with a few cops every now and then, and they are normal, but they are investigators and not your normal street thugs.

Same. I work with several cops and they are call in my book, but some I've encountered away from work are total asses. Just depends.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: bradruth
And *we* aren't the ones making the mistake. The mistake is either through dispatch, or for those responsible for entering/clearing warrants through the system.

pathetic attitude, but about what I expect from a cop. or cop in training or whatever you are.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Never been helped in the four car break-ins(the last one was classic, where the cop asked me to hold the knife that was left behind to a light and see if I see any fingerprints), and I've gotten a few tickets for expired inspection/registration stuff. I wouldn't say that I've been screwed, but they sure as hell haven't done sh!t for me.

 

[DainBramaged]

TheLonelyPhoenix: To all those who whine about cops: http://sbtl.ytmnd.com

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: bradruth
And *we* aren't the ones making the mistake. The mistake is either through dispatch, or for those responsible for entering/clearing warrants through the system.

pathetic attitude, but about what I expect from a cop. or cop in training or whatever you are.

I'm a cop, and I'm pointing out that it's not our error that's inconveniencing people...I fail to see how that's pathetic. Again, I've never been in such a situation. Once the handcuffs are on I explain what's going on, so I'm not leaving people in the dark. You just don't tell people that they may have a warrant until they're secured, it's just fvcking stupid to do so.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: bradruth
And *we* aren't the ones making the mistake. The mistake is either through dispatch, or for those responsible for entering/clearing warrants through the system.

pathetic attitude, but about what I expect from a cop. or cop in training or whatever you are.

I'm a cop, and I'm pointing out that it's not our error that's inconveniencing people...I fail to see how that's pathetic. Again, I've never been in such a situation. Once the handcuffs are on I explain what's going on, so I'm not leaving people in the dark. You just don't tell people that they may have a warrant until they're secured, it's just fvcking stupid to do so.

I don't see why you can't apologize on BEHALF of those you REPRESENT. It's like in any place where people provide a service. If I'm working behind a counter, and I can't do something for a customer because of policy, I follow that policy, usually accompanied by "I'm sorry for the inconvenience." How tough is that?

 

[PsharkJF]

Rent-a-cops in suburban Chicago stopped me for a rolling stop in a parking lot.
Chicago police are really cool, though.