If you are driving an automatic and the car stays in drive your car also won't stop from rolling down a hill. It will also keep moving on flat ground.
If you are driving an automatic and the car stays in drive your car also won't stop from rolling down a hill. It will also keep moving on flat ground.
I leave the cluth depressed and put it in 1st if it's a short stop, but if it's a longer stop, stick it in neutral and take out the cluth (like red lights that have only just turned).
Maybe the gov't acknowledges that slushbox drivers are drooling idiots, and doesn't expect as high quality driving out of them
No, you haven't been shifting incorrectly. However, coming to a stop from 35mph in neutral = bad idea. What happens if your brakes fail, hypothetically? There's not a lot to slow you down apart from other cars
Plus, if you need to get the hell out of the way of something quickly, shifting back into gear and biting the clutch might be the difference between getting out of the way and becoming a flat mess against the grill of a truck.
Plus, if you need to get the hell out of the way of something quickly, shifting back into gear and biting the clutch might be the difference between getting out of the way and becoming a flat mess against the grill of a truck.
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AndrewR
I used to think that way, too, but what's cheaper to replace: brake pads or a clutch (regarding downshifting)? I don't down-shift anymore.
You oughta get 100k+ miles out of your clutch either way, so it's a non-issue for me. Besides, if you revmatch when you downshift, your clutch wear is so near zero it makes little difference. And you SHOULD revmatch when you downshift.
My clutch has over 120k right now so I'll stick with using the brakes in lieu of downshiftng, except on snow/ice (which won't be an issue when I return to the States in late May).
AgaBoogaBoo
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Right, but even that little amount doubles in use if you downshift once everytime, triple if if you go through more than one lower gear. That, and it's not needed really. During daily driving I hope your break pads aren't having an issue with the stopping without downshifting...Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AndrewR
I used to think that way, too, but what's cheaper to replace: brake pads or a clutch (regarding downshifting)? I don't down-shift anymore.
You oughta get 100k+ miles out of your clutch either way, so it's a non-issue for me. Besides, if you revmatch when you downshift, your clutch wear is so near zero it makes little difference. And you SHOULD revmatch when you downshift.
I only shfit into neutral at a stop if the light is excessivly long and my clutch leg is getting tired.
Stiff clutch springs FTW!
Stiff clutch springs FTW!
Guess that's not true.. There's a long, realitivly steep grade that I have to go down on the way home from work.. I always throw it into neutral and coast down it, saves a bit of gas.. lol
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AndrewR
I used to think that way, too, but what's cheaper to replace: brake pads or a clutch (regarding downshifting)? I don't down-shift anymore.
You oughta get 100k+ miles out of your clutch either way, so it's a non-issue for me. Besides, if you revmatch when you downshift, your clutch wear is so near zero it makes little difference. And you SHOULD revmatch when you downshift.
QFT..
car should be in gear incase you have to emergency manuver the wear and tear is negligable
arcenite
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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AndrewR
I used to think that way, too, but what's cheaper to replace: brake pads or a clutch (regarding downshifting)? I don't down-shift anymore.
You oughta get 100k+ miles out of your clutch either way, so it's a non-issue for me. Besides, if you revmatch when you downshift, your clutch wear is so near zero it makes little difference. And you SHOULD revmatch when you downshift.
QFT..
car should be in gear incase you have to emergency manuver the wear and tear is negligable
and plus you get the race track effect
DivideBYZero
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Is your car fuel injected? if it is, you are wasting gas if you coast down a long hill! Ask me how!
jlee
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PSA:
Break != Brake
If you don't downshift, you lose some control over your vehicle. I'd rather replace a clutch every 150,000 miles than always coast to a stop. When you overclock your computer, you sacrifice component life..but will it ever be enough to notice? Probably not.
Break != Brake
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Right, but even that little amount doubles in use if you downshift once everytime, triple if if you go through more than one lower gear. That, and it's not needed really. During daily driving I hope your break pads aren't having an issue with the stopping without downshifting...Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AndrewR
I used to think that way, too, but what's cheaper to replace: brake pads or a clutch (regarding downshifting)? I don't down-shift anymore.
You oughta get 100k+ miles out of your clutch either way, so it's a non-issue for me. Besides, if you revmatch when you downshift, your clutch wear is so near zero it makes little difference. And you SHOULD revmatch when you downshift.
If you don't downshift, you lose some control over your vehicle. I'd rather replace a clutch every 150,000 miles than always coast to a stop. When you overclock your computer, you sacrifice component life..but will it ever be enough to notice? Probably not.
I usually just keep it in whatever gear I was in, and use the brakes to slow to a stop. It uses zero gas whether youre at 1000rpm or 5000rpm. I could downshift, but then Id have to revmatch, which is more trouble than its worth for the one millionth of a chance that something crazy happens and Id actually be fast enough to do something about it.
Whether to downshift or shift to neutral, no single answer can be right or wrong. Its sometime circumstancial (sp?) and a personal preference. I do however prefer to err on the side of caution.
If it makes that much of an $$ issue to you then you probably shouldn't be driving a vehicle in the first place, if that is your primary concern.
If it makes that much of an $$ issue to you then you probably shouldn't be driving a vehicle in the first place, if that is your primary concern.
I downshift until I'm in 1st gear and stopped... if I'm on a flat road I do not hold the brake down, but I always leave my clutch engaged and waiting in 1st gear... when it goes green I disengage the clutch and am on my way.
I will put it in neutral and coast to a stop too....my truck won't accelerate fast enough to 'get out of the way' of something anyways..
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It's all about the ability to exercise control over your vehicle. Downshifting gives me the option of doing just that in case of an emergency manuver. i.e. car stopped in the middle of the road, incoming fast car from behind, or a brake failure. It is why i like standard better than automatic. More control over the performance of my vehicle.
skyking
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If any of you drove a semi, you'd quickly learn to shift that thing into nuetral as you coasted to a stop and leave it there till it was time to go. Foot off clutch.
Holding your foot on the clutch with the tranny in gear causes wear on the throwout bearing. No biggie in most cars, but it requires a transmission removal to fix, just like the clutch.
On the semi, the force required to hold that clutch in is proportionate to the size of the rig. That's why a trucker judges his speed so carefully in stop and go traffic, and tries not to stop. It is not only the wear and tear on the clutch and rig, your leg will ache like crazy
I downshift about two gears coming off top speed, and let the brakes do the rest. I leave it in the lowest gear I downshifted to, say 3rd in a car. When it becomes apparent that I will be stopping, I put it in nuetral and let off the clutch.
With the truck, I might jake downshift 3 gears, max.
Holding your foot on the clutch with the tranny in gear causes wear on the throwout bearing. No biggie in most cars, but it requires a transmission removal to fix, just like the clutch.
On the semi, the force required to hold that clutch in is proportionate to the size of the rig. That's why a trucker judges his speed so carefully in stop and go traffic, and tries not to stop. It is not only the wear and tear on the clutch and rig, your leg will ache like crazy
I downshift about two gears coming off top speed, and let the brakes do the rest. I leave it in the lowest gear I downshifted to, say 3rd in a car. When it becomes apparent that I will be stopping, I put it in nuetral and let off the clutch.
With the truck, I might jake downshift 3 gears, max.
AMCRambler
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Originally posted by: skyking
If any of you drove a semi, you'd quickly learn to shift that thing into nuetral as you coasted to a stop and leave it there till it was time to go. Foot off clutch.
Holding your foot on the clutch with the tranny in gear causes wear on the throwout bearing. No biggie in most cars, but it requires a transmission removal to fix, just like the clutch.
On the semi, the force required to hold that clutch in is proportionate to the size of the rig. That's why a trucker judges his speed so carefully in stop and go traffic, and tries not to stop. It is not only the wear and tear on the clutch and rig, your leg will ache like crazy
I downshift about two gears coming off top speed, and let the brakes do the rest. I leave it in the lowest gear I downshifted to, say 3rd in a car. When it becomes apparent that I will be stopping, I put it in nuetral and let off the clutch.
With the truck, I might jake downshift 3 gears, max.
In my car(manual) I usually leave it in whatever gear I'm in and just brake as I come up to the light. When my rpm's drop below 1500 I can usually just pull the shifter out of whatever gear it was in. Don't need to push the clutch. Is this what you're talking about?
Kroze
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why not revmatch when upshift too?Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AndrewR
I used to think that way, too, but what's cheaper to replace: brake pads or a clutch (regarding downshifting)? I don't down-shift anymore.
You oughta get 100k+ miles out of your clutch either way, so it's a non-issue for me. Besides, if you revmatch when you downshift, your clutch wear is so near zero it makes little difference. And you SHOULD revmatch when you downshift.
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