I would pay... hell I already pay $400 a year for a cd service in order to get them to send me a new cd every week with "radio edited" new music....
I certainly would pay to download music I wanted... at $1 per song I could have 400 songs... Granted I already get 900 and some with this cd service...
I don't like the fact that in order to get one or two good songs I have to buy a cd with the rest of it being crap. If I want the music, let me buy what I want damnit. If I take a liking to the rest of the songs on the cd later on, I'll buy the rest of the mp3's off the damn site. If I can pay to download good quality sounding mp3's that I know are from the original cd and are of top notch quality, you're damn right I'm going to buy them as opposed to getting them off of kazaa at a sh!tty bitrate. I want solutions to the problem, and it seems that the RIAA doesn't want to use solutions, it just wants to be stupid.
Hey man I bought a ton of music throughout the eighties and nineties prior to the arrival of mp3. I already paid the fee. Now let me have the right to download music I've already purchased....
UglyCasanova
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I've said it a hundred times before, and I'll say it again. There are many, many more bands out there than the sh!t you here on MTV or the radio, and p2p is one of the only ways I can hear them. I'm sure as hell not going to randomly purchase a CD without hearing it first, and sadly mp3's are the only possible way for me to hear it. Ask any independent label or band how they feel about p2p and file sharing, I'm sure they are more than happy to be getting their music out. Now that I think about it, very few of my mp3's are actually from the big 5's labels.
Wow, my thread is still alive, and so philosophical too.
I found out yesterday that Verizon is still appealing the rulings on handing over ISP logs.
And yes, most modern music is crap. That's why most of what I download is 50's thru early 90's music, with the occasional modern artist title thrown in. What I download and how I download it? Hum... what was that song... (3 days later) OH YEAH! Download it... a month or two later... what was that song?
Is it theft? Legally yes. Of course, I consider what record labels do to artists extortion. I also think music and entertainment should be marginally free (maybe enough to cover cost of production). I also think that government and legislative officials should not draw a salary or PAC/campaign funds the same way they operated the first 40 years or so the USA was around. But alas, this isn't an ideal, or even close to a tollerable world.
So, until the RIAA stops with the bullspit, niether will I.
I found out yesterday that Verizon is still appealing the rulings on handing over ISP logs.
And yes, most modern music is crap. That's why most of what I download is 50's thru early 90's music, with the occasional modern artist title thrown in. What I download and how I download it? Hum... what was that song... (3 days later) OH YEAH! Download it... a month or two later... what was that song?
Is it theft? Legally yes. Of course, I consider what record labels do to artists extortion. I also think music and entertainment should be marginally free (maybe enough to cover cost of production). I also think that government and legislative officials should not draw a salary or PAC/campaign funds the same way they operated the first 40 years or so the USA was around. But alas, this isn't an ideal, or even close to a tollerable world.
So, until the RIAA stops with the bullspit, niether will I.
The problem here is that everyone thinks this is about the RIAA losing money. The numbers show that they are doing just fine, but it still doesn't make it legal to steal music. Again, I say it's funny that people are trying to justify theft.
I do believe that if you ignore a subpeona, you get a warrant out for your arrest. Go ahead and try that if you want.
If you are talking about music you legally own, then just stick it in your computer and copy it to your hard drive. If you don't have the music anymore, then you don't have the right to it anymore. If you sell a car you don't get to drive it still. DUH.
Unfortunately, two "wrongs" don't make a right, and making the RIAA lose money is far from helping them give more money to the artists. Again, it's funny how people are trying to justift theft.
It's also funny how everyone makes the excuse that only one or two songs on every CD are good, so that is why stealing should be legal. Do you honestly think a band is going to release their worst song as a single and hope to sell more CDs? Do you honestly think that every CD only has two good songs? If you are that worried about this, go to a used CD store and listen to the music before you buy it. What you shouldn't do though, is try to justify theft because of it.
Didn't I hear this crap back in the '70s when home-taping was the craze?
The solution for that issue was a small hidden tax on blank tape which goes into a trust fund
administered by..... you guessed it... RIAA.....
Wonder if the same thing is being planned out now for the digital age? Just tax all the U.S. based
ISP's ... 'because everyone is doing it'.... and they keep the $$$ coming in....
That's even better than M$ does it......
The solution for that issue was a small hidden tax on blank tape which goes into a trust fund
administered by..... you guessed it... RIAA.....
Wonder if the same thing is being planned out now for the digital age? Just tax all the U.S. based
ISP's ... 'because everyone is doing it'.... and they keep the $$$ coming in....
That's even better than M$ does it......
Okay... I'll take the cassette I bought in the 80's and put it right into the tape drive of my computer..... oh wait, what's that? my computer doesn't come with a cassette tape player??? Damn, I knew I was getting screwed when I bought my system.... time to call up and bitch at the place I bought it from, for forgetting to put a cassette tape player in my system.
JW
Well you never said that. Hell, download away then. If you legally own the music, then why should you feel guilty about downloading it?
Actually that's incorrect. Unless you don't consider price fixing to be ripping people off. Most of us do however. Do a little research.
UglyCasanova
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Same here, this $0.99 a song is bs. I actually do want the whole CD, and even this $10 is a ripoff. When I can download an albulm for $5 max, then I will give it a shot.
I'm not trying to justify anything I do. I did say it was theft... in the eyes of current legal precident. I'm saying that in my eyes, in this particular case, I just don't give a damn because of all the extenuating circumstanced. If you want to view this as an "excuse" for it, go ahead. I most certainly am not excusing myself for it, but I'm still doing it.
Oh, and by the way... it's spelled JUSTIFY.
Originally posted by: Hubris
Yeah, I'm sure that would hold up in court.
Of course you can sue the government. They uphold the law, they're not immune to them.
I had this conversation last night, and yes it's totally stealing, no ifs ands of buts. However, they do have an incentive to change. If CD sales keep slipping, even after they 'close down' those evil P2P programs, then they will change their strategy. For better or worse, the RIAA is a business, and as more and more people get internet access and broadband, they will have to convert their marketing strategy to compensate. I'm sure most of the pressure for them to NOT move online is a) as was mentioned all the crap songs no one will buy, if they can gt the one or two good songs by themselves and b) retailers would lose a hell of a lot of money if music moved online; they jack the prices up so much that they make one hell of a profit on CDs. Moving online would kill that.
Music will move online eventually, and I'll definitely be first in line if I can get almost every song I want; but this piddling 'no artist you've ever heard of' crap can bite me.
Actually if you explicitly deny permission to use your server to someone and they use it anyway, they are breaking the law and any information they obtain cannot be used in a court of law. They would need a warrant to search your computer first, not a subpoena, a warrant signed by a judge.
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